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What makes tripping spiritual?
    #19338685 - 12/28/13 08:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Tom Leary was an atheist and then he tripped a fuck-ton and turned into a religious guy apparently. But, in my experiences I am a non-religious and my trips seem to reinforce my atheist ideology on the Universe, although I have been opened up to the idea that the Universe itself is a God in a way. But at the same time, we are all the Universe because we exist within it's confines. I just wanted to have a serious conversation on your spiritual experiences on L and if you think they were caused by your general set or if they were genuinely a spiritual experience?


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Re: What makes tripping spiritual? [Re: Starskii] * 2
    #19338867 - 12/28/13 08:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Psychedelics allow us to think outside of our programming.


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Re: What makes tripping spiritual? [Re: Starskii]
    #19338894 - 12/28/13 09:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm an ADD lab-rat from the '80s that got kicked out of Catholic school in 3rd grade and grew up with a Harold Camping following father--so..  I always questioned everything--possibly part of the whole ADD thing, I just didn't take the program like everyone else.
I can say that the first time I did LSD--I was 17 and already experienced pot, drink, pcp, but thought of LSD as a process of selling my soul-before my first trip.
I remember my early spiritual experiences as visualizing planets as atoms in a larger--living structure. I thought of humans as ants (timy in importance to the system, etc.) I also thought of planets as cells and humans as viruses or cures, but I still to this day cannot state which one makes more sense. Are we here to help heal this organism (earth) or to destroy it and hop to another (planet). There are a million thoughts that weave in and out of this concept and I could fill a boring library going deeper into my experiences.
I'm pretty sure it's different for everyone--life is strange and mostly unanswered, religion is a man-made attempt at controlling or understanding it, man will continue to seek answers to things that we're possibly not supposed to know the answers to--because were merely ants in importance to it all. Finding new ways to understand life--whether it's fact or fiction--is part of our nature.

I'm Agnostic now and basically serve Karma for my reasoning purposes. I don't think that tripping forced this path, but it made sense on my journey. To each his/her own! :laugh:


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Re: What makes tripping spiritual? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19338935 - 12/28/13 09:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Psychedelics allow us to think outside of our programming.




I like to say it removes you from the human restrained perspective.


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Re: What makes tripping spiritual? [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #19339125 - 12/28/13 09:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I was a firm atheist before my first psychedelic experience now I'm an agnostic if you want to put a label on it.

I believe the universe is truly one consciousness divided amongst itself, expressed in infinite varieties and variables. Psychedelics can allow me to tune into and experience this oneness in brief moments of infinity. They also have offered glimpses into the fabric of reality and the inner workings of my mind.

They also make me very grateful to be alive and human because I can experience such radical changes in consciousness. 

So yeah.. That's how psychedelics have helped me become somewhat comfortably spiritually in such a mad world.


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Re: What makes tripping spiritual? [Re: Deemstar]
    #19339214 - 12/28/13 10:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)






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Re: What makes tripping spiritual? [Re: Agentchewy]
    #19339241 - 12/28/13 10:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Interior instrument.. 

Beautiful!


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Re: What makes tripping spiritual? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19339576 - 12/28/13 11:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Psychedelics allow us to think outside of our programming.




well said brother:heart:. Just the fact that there are substances around us and even fucking IN US that do exactly that mind fucks the SHIT out of me everyday. This, is what makes them spiritual to me. What's even wilder is they seem to enhance our consciousness and thought processes...WILD shit. The stoned ape theory seems sooo fucking plausible in some aspects you gotta admit. How come there havent been any tests done on like apes/monkeys and mushrooms/pschedelics? Only fucking spiders...what if like after enough time the ape developed some kind of language with another ape through the ESP so many people report on here. ahah now i'm gettin too far out:lol:


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Re: What makes tripping spiritual? [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #19339728 - 12/29/13 12:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Ultimately we as users make tripping spiritual but

this

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nicechrisman said:
Psychedelics allow us to think outside of our programming.




I like to say it removes you from the human restrained perspective.




is the profound and unique ability of psychedelics.


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Re: What makes tripping spiritual? [Re: Starskii]
    #19340280 - 12/29/13 04:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Tom Leary was an atheist and then he tripped a fuck-ton and turned into a religious guy apparently. But, in my experiences I am a non-religious and my trips seem to reinforce my atheist ideology on the Universe, although I have been opened up to the idea that the Universe itself is a God in a way.




He exposed himself to religious literature (mostly eastern), it being the closest thing he could associate with his trips.


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Re: What makes tripping spiritual? [Re: s240779]
    #19340449 - 12/29/13 06:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I had an acid trip where I had lost my ego but when I came back I realized that God copulated with himself (not saying this in a rude way) in order to create life and we are all manifestations of God.

That one reinforced my beliefs. See I've gone through phases where I didn't believe in God and where I did (I now believe in God more strongly than anything). And with both modes of thinking, I have to say, LSD seems very cold to me. I usually don't have revelations about God or anything like that. Most of the time I don't even feel comfortable asking about it. To me LSD just seems like sort of a mirror molecule that came about from a molecular soup complex enough and it just happens to allow us to look at ourselves introspectively. I feel that it's a part of evolution. But to me it's not very spiritual in a religious sense.

I'm talking about cid because I don't have enough varied experiences with other psyches to say.


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Re: What makes tripping spiritual? [Re: Starskii]
    #19340557 - 12/29/13 07:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I've heard an interesting comment on this psychedelic-spirituality from Terence McKenna (Plants Consciousness & Transformation), and though personally I've discovered my spiritual side through psychedelics, I completely agree with him:

"...So to me spirituality means: Do you visit the sick in prison? Do you clothe the naked? Do you feed the hungry? Do you bury the dead? Do you comfort the afflicted? When I see somebody doing those things I say this is a spiritually evolving person. When I see somebody taking psilocybin, I say there is an explorer. But I don't try to lay on some moral judgement about good and evil, I think that's inappropriate. Spiritual accomplishment is manifested by moral action. And the role these psychedelics play, they may make moral action easier because they show you your memories and your depths and your mistakes, but intrinsically they are not tools for spiritual development, they are tools for the exploration of mind. And we don't know what that is..."


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Re: What makes tripping spiritual? [Re: VaultKnowledge]
    #19340587 - 12/29/13 07:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

the experience is very multi-threaded, yet fragments bleed easily across those threads into our shared memory:

by allowing more than one conscious time stream to operate at more than one consistent rate of passage,
moments of experience tend to stack up on top of each other to provide seemingly endless concurrent dimensions, unconstrained by the usual formality of sequence in which the end of one moment segues into the beginning of the next.

ideas interpenetrate, in fact whole minds interpenetrate from the stacked up moments. our mind has become a multitude, and it interpenetrates itself.

the takeaway is one of being part of a larger consciousness, and sensing that reality has more dimensions than these 3 plus time.


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Re: What makes tripping spiritual? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19340672 - 12/29/13 08:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Many astronauts who have been to outer space later on become religious. But there was one astronaut, whos name apparently cant remember, but he said that it is too easy answer and he prefers the scientific explanation, how to cope with the experience of being in space.


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Re: What makes tripping spiritual? [Re: botha]
    #19340771 - 12/29/13 09:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I don't know how tripping CAN'T be spiritual.

When that sun comes through the clouds and hits you with a feeling that you've never felt before. Pure life, what is it but not spiritual


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Re: What makes tripping spiritual? [Re: Starskii]
    #19340787 - 12/29/13 09:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Starskii said:
Tom Leary was an atheist and then he tripped a fuck-ton and turned into a religious guy apparently. But, in my experiences I am a non-religious and my trips seem to reinforce my atheist ideology on the Universe, although I have been opened up to the idea that the Universe itself is a God in a way. But at the same time, we are all the Universe because we exist within it's confines. I just wanted to have a serious conversation on your spiritual experiences on L and if you think they were caused by your general set or if they were genuinely a spiritual experience?




one love one soul

and remembering I am not this body

before I was atheist then agnostic for a handful of years, and maybe a little theistic before that

but now I seem to remember, it fits my life experience well
things like lucid dreaming made me not think everything I saw was real either, and less likely to believe I am this body or everything material that science dictates

I dont subscribe to coincidences either, no coincidences

only subscribe to own life experience

same as before, who I am inside never changes, eternal, soul in body
the love is still the same, it never fades after forgetting it for so many years


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Re: What makes tripping spiritual? [Re: botha]
    #19340796 - 12/29/13 09:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

My dad is an atheist. He is 100% positive that there's nothing out there. He thinks that the sober world reveals everything and that everything in creation is just a random occurrence. There's no God, and nothing happens when you die. Case closed. He's very stubborn about it - you can't get into a discussion without him trashing all God and religion, using religious extremists as his only examples.

Being his son, I shared the same views - up until I started to trip. I never got into any kind of organized religion, but it didn't take many trips to convince me that there is definably something out there, something more to this life. I gave up trying to figure it out a long time ago, I just appreciated it for what it is. It's the thing that we can't ever fully understand. The problem with organized religion is that they think they have it figured out. No one has it figured out, and if they say they do, they're either mistaken or full of shit.

The big problem with atheists like my dad is that they're so sure of themselves. I'm pretty sure that if he would trip a couple of times he'd soften up, (or maybe not, he's 89 years old). Or the younger version if him. Personally I don't see how any stuborn, "case closed" athiest can still feel that way after some psychedelic experiences. That's the whole thing about psychedelics, you see through it all. You see through atheism, you see through religion. Deep down you become honest with yourself. You drop the arrogance and you admit that there are things you can't and never will understand. That, right there, to me, is GOD. Ponder it, be fascinated by it, use it for creativity, but don't ever think that you have it figured out.


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Re: What makes tripping spiritual? [Re: Universe]
    #19340813 - 12/29/13 09:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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My dad is an atheist. He is 100% positive that there's nothing out there. He thinks that the sober world reveals everything and that everything in creation is just a random occurrence. There's no God, and nothing happens when you die. Case closed. He's very stubborn about it - you can't get into a discussion without him trashing all God and religion, using religious extremists as his only examples.

Being his son, I shared the same views - up until I started to trip. I never got into any kind of organized religion, but it didn't take many trips to convince me that there is definably something out there, something more to this life. I gave up trying to figure it out a long time ago, I just appreciated it for what it is. It's the thing that we can't ever fully understand. The problem with organized religion is that they think they have it figured out. No one has it figured out, and if they say they do, they're either mistaken or full of shit.

The big problem with atheists like my dad is that they're so sure of themselves. I'm pretty sure that if he would trip a couple of times he'd soften up, (or maybe not, he's 89 years old). Or the younger version if him. Personally I don't see how any stuborn, "case closed" athiest can still feel that way after some psychedelic experiences. That's the whole thing about psychedelics, you see through it all. You see through atheism, you see through religion. Deep down you become honest with yourself. You drop the arrogance and you admit that there are things you can't and never will understand. That, right there, to me, is GOD. Ponder it, be fascinated by it, use it for creativity, but don't ever think that you have it figured out.




Perfectly said! Reminds me of one of my favorite Terrence Mckenna quotes :smile:

"The Western mind is very queasy around these experiences that cast into doubt their illusions about how reality is put together. When you get to DMT, you have hit the main vein.  I mean, I hold it in reserve as the ultimate convincer.  I mean, there are these people running around who say, "You people are into drugs - give me a branch whiskey and a little TV - I think you're deluding yourselves."  "Do you?  Well do you have five minutes to invest in this cheerful proposition, my friend, because have I got news for you!"


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Re: What makes tripping spiritual? [Re: PsychedelicLife]
    #19340837 - 12/29/13 09:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think atheism is actually cam be of the most fundamentalist religious stances.


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Re: What makes tripping spiritual? [Re: PsychedelicLife]
    #19340848 - 12/29/13 09:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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there are these people running around who say, "You people are into drugs - give me a branch whiskey and a little TV - I think you're deluding yourselves."




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