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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: cronicr]
    #19338498 - 12/28/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Why not just put something like aluminum foil on the bottom around the outside? Same deal, really. After you harvest of course.


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: DebuteMachine]
    #19338535 - 12/28/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Why not just put something like aluminum foil on the bottom around the outside? Same deal, really. After you harvest of course.



A few reasons why to not use Aluminum foil:

I don't think it would shrink as easily as trash bag liners.  So as the substrate shrinks, it would potentially move away from the foil and allow for side-pins

Another thing that comes to mind is that aluminum does not last long around cubes.  It is accepted fact that they will SOMEHOW eat through aluminum quickly.  I don't know the specifics, but I have read that it has something to do with enzyme production.

Trash bags work great for a few reasons.  The biggest one in my world is that after your bulk is finished, you can lift it out by the liner.


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
    #19338609 - 12/28/13 08:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

There are a lot of reasons to use a trash bag & not foil:

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What stops the pins from growing on the sides? I guess the trashbags deflect light, I would say but thats just a guess.



the bags stop fresh air from getting to the sides and bottom....when the substrate contracts it sucks the trash bag liner against it....:shrug:




Good reason, Also for good disposing of the substrate after the last flush or a contam.




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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: kepty]
    #19338620 - 12/28/13 08:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I've personnel y using bubble wrap lately


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: cronicr]
    #19338646 - 12/28/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I've personnel y using bubble wrap lately




b-b-bubble wrap?



any logs or pictures of you using?


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: kepty]
    #19338671 - 12/28/13 08:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

no pics in a tub yet but here i peeled it back om my hanging laundry basket, the myc just runs through all the little gaps and hold extremely tight to it


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: cronicr]
    #19338688 - 12/28/13 08:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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no pics in a tub yet but here i peeled it back om my hanging laundry basket, the myc just runs through all the little gaps and hold extremely tight to it





:like:  oooo...any differences using wraps & bags? I ask because I gotta surplus of bubble wrap from work.


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: kepty]
    #19338702 - 12/28/13 08:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

well even though the bw is clear i never got bottom/side pins:thumbup: i don't see much of a diffrence other then some plastic bags don't work as well as otheres, i've only used the bw a handfull of times right now but i like it so far:thumbup:


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: cronicr]
    #19338727 - 12/28/13 08:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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well even though the bw is clear i never got bottom/side pins:thumbup: i don't see much of a diffrence other then some plastic bags don't work as well as otheres, i've only used the bw a handfull of times right now but i like it so far:thumbup:




ah, Well I'm sure you can reuse them as much as you like. If you have a rip tape it back up. Bw is strong compare to trash bags & if the bubbles are facing the ground. The sub won't touch the ground. Thanks for showing me. :thumbup:


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: kepty]
    #19338749 - 12/28/13 08:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i treid that way it worked better with the bubbles touching the sub:thumbup:


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: Chimaira]
    #19340694 - 12/29/13 08:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I am getting ready to do my first monotub. I was wondering I have got black plastic tub. Would it be better to use it or a clear tub with a liner or would it not make a difference?



the colour of your tub doesn't matter. the liner is there to prevent air from getting between the sub and the tub walls. if you don't wont side pins use one . I don't care where my fruits grow so I don't bother


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19340696 - 12/29/13 08:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You could use a clear liner, which would still stop side pinning, but would also allow the substrate to derive more energy from the light, on the sides.


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: PussyFart]
    #19341311 - 12/29/13 12:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I thought the liner was for blocking light?


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: DebuteMachine]
    #19341334 - 12/29/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

No the liner shrinks with the substrate, preventing the ideal side microclimate from forming. This prevents side pins from occuring.


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19341437 - 12/29/13 01:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

light is beneficial at all stages of growth. 100% colonization, fresh air and evaporation are what cause pins to form.


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19342118 - 12/29/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I forgot to take pics before harvesting since I was in a rush, but all 4 tiers of my dehydrator are packed, and I had another 645g I threw in the fridge  :mushroom: :mushroom: :mushroom:
I've never really done a proper second flush with monotubs, can I just let it go again without a dunk?
Last time I tried dunking one, it ended up with a huge bacterial infection from undrained water in the liner


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: blackglass6219]
    #19342136 - 12/29/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I dunk mine but only for six hours.


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19342144 - 12/29/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I use small bulk tubs in a GH though, not a mono.


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19342461 - 12/29/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I usually don't bother with dunking monos until after the third flush.


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19342498 - 12/29/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I usually don't bother with dunking monos until after the third flush.




That depends on the person and what kind of strain you cultivating, like cyan grain dunking before spawning to bulk...But not for cubes. Like you said after the second or third flush.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17616982/fpart/1/vc/1


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