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OfflineVaultKnowledge
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Diviner's Vortex
    #19338349 - 12/28/13 07:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hey there travellers, I hope I'm posting in the right section and manner.
I'd like to share my salvia experience(s) and I'm curious what you guys think about it. This is not a trip report, but rather a sort of "situation analysis". I have some experience with LSD and mushrooms (including high dose trips), but salvia is unlike the others, more so because I can't make anything out of it. I tried salvia 5 times (I'm using 20x extract with a bong and a torch lighter). The last time I meditated 30 minutes before the trip and I think it was really helpful because I now at least have a somewhat clear picture about what "may be" going on (in my case anyway).
So I fill up the bong with about 2-3/10 gram 20x extract and I light up the torch. I take a huge lungful of toke and I hold it in for about half a minute. When I breathe out I'm already in a state where doing anything else other than laying down seems completely impossible. I'm not fiddling with this either because the third time I used salvia, I tried to take another toke, and I ended up in a horrible time-loop, where the the moment I was firing up the torch was replaying (picture, sound, the feeling) over and over again for about the end of the trip. I was completely aware of what's happening and I've sort of accepted it, but I was afraid of the lighter in my hand... So anyway I lie down and I feel this awesome, tingling force pressing and squeezing me, and slowly these colourful eye-shaped blurry - for want of a better word - 'fractals' start to form behind my closed eyelids. A few moments later I have this familiar impression I have every time, that I'm in somekind of matrix-like space, in a tunnel or vortex and these fractals are the edges of the wall or something, I definitely "feel" the depth. So it goes on for a while and then it subsides and basically that's it. I couldn't yet get any further. This last time I was very clear, I was completely calm, relaxed, I was able to sort of objectively observe the scenery without distractions and worries. I'm not complaining about intensity. Its quite intense (though I had rougher moments with 5 grams of mushrooms), its also somewhat visual (closed eye), but its kinda strange that quite a few people talk about experiencing other people's lives, having an out of body experience and whatnot. I have a feeling that maybe I couldn't yet break through (perhaps the vortex :wink: ). Maybe I should try some more concentrated extracts... As for music I personally don't prefer music during trips it greatly distract me. Anyway I highly respect this plant, I think it can be a promising tool for personal growth...


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Re: Diviner's Vortex [Re: VaultKnowledge]
    #19338408 - 12/28/13 07:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I hear a lot of people bash salvia but I wand to try it I think it seems amazing I just worry that people say there is a painful bodyload


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    #19338509 - 12/28/13 07:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Diviner's Vortex [Re: chicksgrowtoo]
    #19340370 - 12/29/13 06:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well no, I'm not aware of any reoccurring dreams, but maybe its just because of my devotion to weed...
My dreams are a whole other topic though, I've had a few lucid dreams and spontaneous out of body experiences without the use of any substance, and that's exactly why its a bit frustrating that I can't get any further with salvia, even though I've read volumes about thrilling disembodied salvia trips...
Do you have experience with communicating/speaking with other, seemingly intelligent beings? Or with 'a' being? This is another thing I hear quite often both in the case of salvia and mushrooms (Terence McKenna is my greatest inspiration on this matter by the way) but again, I've yet to hear "the voice"...


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Re: Diviner's Vortex [Re: VaultKnowledge]
    #19340382 - 12/29/13 06:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If devotion to weed is the reason I wouldn't have the reoccuring dreams hahaha and idk that you would call it a being, more like an energy, a knowing, a connection if you will, not really "the voice". I've had the weirdest dream twice a month or so for 3 years now that started immediately after doing salvia....weird huh?


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Re: Diviner's Vortex [Re: chicksgrowtoo]
    #19340394 - 12/29/13 06:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I have weird dreams... there has been too long since I had a wicked one...  maybe I should throw out my dreamcatcher...


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Re: Diviner's Vortex [Re: VaultKnowledge]
    #19340401 - 12/29/13 06:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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VaultKnowledge said:
A few moments later I have this familiar impression I have every time, that I'm in somekind of matrix-like space, in a tunnel or vortex and these fractals are the edges of the wall or something,




Oh man you reminded me of this feeling. I understand exactly what you're saying!


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Re: Diviner's Vortex [Re: Icyus]
    #19340402 - 12/29/13 06:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I have weird dreams... there has been too long since I had a wicked one...  maybe I should throw out my dreamcatcher...



Noooo!! Don't do that! dreamcatchers are awesome!!! I feel like my one dream is trying to tell me something I don't yet understand...but I was close enough to it to almost understand and remember that, idk, I've said it before, salvia is a weird drug.


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Re: Diviner's Vortex [Re: VaultKnowledge]
    #19340619 - 12/29/13 08:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

yours is the classic salvia experience.
you got it all
you struggle needlessly with the concept of breakthrough, and concern that you have missed something (living other lives) which some people report.

IMO you have broken through plenty enough - especially in the looping experience of relighting the bong.

Normal time goes out, but in salvia-land, moments in time go up, and each moment still shimmers after it is done long enough to disrupt the sense of time passing.

Accordingly whatever happens keeps happening - and if resisted it feeds back into itself like an opposite world.


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Re: Diviner's Vortex [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19340645 - 12/29/13 08:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you for sharing that story! I am collecting balls to smoke salvia here. Stories like that give me inspiration.


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Re: Diviner's Vortex [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19340732 - 12/29/13 09:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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you struggle needlessly with the concept of breakthrough, and concern that you have missed something




You're probably right, but I find it interesting nevertheless, because I basically end up in the same place every time. Its almost familiar now. Well strangely enough the whole thing was rather familiar the first time I got there, and each time I have a "Ok I'm here" moment (which is sort of a feeling of breakthrough), when the initial excitement subsides and I just observe what's happening. I didn't really experience time distortion (let alone the time-loop), so far my trips lasted approximately 5-7 minutes and they felt 5-7 minutes (the intense swirling, whirling, wild-eyed inner observation). It has a lot to do with personality I guess, people experiencing these weird phenomena might be "dealing with their stuff"...


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Re: Diviner's Vortex [Re: VaultKnowledge]
    #19340761 - 12/29/13 09:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

the whirling sensations and even the visions are actually aspects of the time distortion.
i.e. moment one with certain sensations is not yet faded away when moment two begins, and the sensations are slightly different, ditto with moment 3, and 4, and 5...
the sensations interpenetrate and mingle into one expanded sensation which is way richer and quite confusing.

this is fundamental to psychedelic experience.

with salvia you are jerked into a very layered state very quickly.

note, ideas and memories in this state are 100% equal to sensations and all become layered together.


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Re: Diviner's Vortex [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19341256 - 12/29/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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redgreenvines said:
the whirling sensations and even the visions are actually aspects of the time distortion.
i.e. moment one with certain sensations is not yet faded away when moment two begins, and the sensations are slightly different, ditto with moment 3, and 4, and 5...
the sensations interpenetrate and mingle into one expanded sensation which is way richer and quite confusing.

this is fundamental to psychedelic experience.

with salvia you are jerked into a very layered state very quickly.

note, ideas and memories in this state are 100% equal to sensations and all become layered together.




Wow man, that's a fair explanation. Thumbs up! :thumbup:


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Re: Diviner's Vortex [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19341297 - 12/29/13 12:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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redgreenvines said:
the whirling sensations and even the visions are actually aspects of the time distortion.
i.e. moment one with certain sensations is not yet faded away when moment two begins, and the sensations are slightly different, ditto with moment 3, and 4, and 5...
the sensations interpenetrate and mingle into one expanded sensation which is way richer and quite confusing.

this is fundamental to psychedelic experience.

with salvia you are jerked into a very layered state very quickly.

note, ideas and memories in this state are 100% equal to sensations and all become layered together.




I agree with the guy above, good explanation.


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