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JMcDoogle
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Post your MS Luck ! 1
#19338252 - 12/28/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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So, through the sponsor I picked up some lc syrg. a while back.
I've had some amazing results of this MS - I'll post my favorite picture.
Have you had any crazy luck with MS that you couldent believe? Crazy mutants?
*MS is Multi-Spore inoculation, no isolating or anything. Heres my favorite 

Turning into
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Edited by JMcDoogle (12/28/13 06:52 PM)
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cronicr



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Re: Post your MS Luck ! [Re: JMcDoogle] 1
#19338266 - 12/28/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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 that was my cross contam from a syringe i did last year, was suppose to be AA+ but i still got a couple luecistics
 that was one out of about ten jars the others all turned out fine with nuthing but AA+'S
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Re: Post your MS Luck ! [Re: cronicr] 1
#19338661 - 12/28/13 08:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I actually think I had better luck with MS then I am having trying to isolate and clone and transfer blah blah blah.
 
Those are two decent pictures, but I remember getting a couple wall to wall tubs from MS inoculations. A lot more mutants too.
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Re: Post your MS Luck ! [Re: MaJiK_420] 1
#19340676 - 12/29/13 08:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thats awesome, I love that second picture!
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Re: Post your MS Luck ! [Re: JMcDoogle] 1
#19340730 - 12/29/13 09:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Post your MS Luck ! [Re: JMcDoogle] 1
#19340857 - 12/29/13 10:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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My first monotub from MS B+ to seed bag, then G2G, then to pasteurized coir/verm
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tripdawg420
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Re: Post your MS Luck ! [Re: SynKyd] 1
#19340866 - 12/29/13 10:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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wow your b+ looks way differnt from mine
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MudaFuka
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http:// http:// http:// I'm still in the proses of harvesting these but so far my wet wait has averaged about 900 grams per bulk sub
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Re: Post your MS Luck ! [Re: MudaFuka] 1
#19341537 - 12/29/13 01:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Muda Fucka, that last picture looks like some properly happy mushrooms!
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Re: Post your MS Luck ! [Re: JMcDoogle] 1
#19343072 - 12/29/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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JMcDoogle said: Muda Fucka, that last picture looks like some properly happy mushrooms!

thanx im kinda proud of those ones. that's why they are my avatar today.
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Re: Post your MS Luck ! [Re: MudaFuka] 1
#19343098 - 12/29/13 07:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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 ksss, and honestly i don't considr much of it to be "luck" but good work lol, ms has the same capability as any mono culture if you treat it right, monocultures just have consistency
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Re: Post your MS Luck ! [Re: cronicr] 1
#19343289 - 12/29/13 08:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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this bad boy was a good time multi spore run. the gambler in us all loves MS.
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tripdawg420
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Re: Post your MS Luck ! [Re: God Stamet] 1
#19343634 - 12/29/13 09:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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heres some beast pesa
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Timmy Meow



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Ooooh I'd love to see more of this old thread... So here are some of my MS grows 
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Re: Post your MS Luck ! [Re: Timmy Meow] 1
#24700808 - 10/10/17 09:11 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cron's KSSS 9th generation MS 4x transfer from germination

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pixelpopper
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Those are some consistently nice canopies, Timmy Meow 
Should start seeing some pins in the next week from my current grow, maybe I'll throw up some pics once they are fruiting since they are all MS right now
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Thanks man, MS has treated me very well. I would so love to see that outcome of your MS grows buddy.
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Re: Post your MS Luck ! [Re: Timmy Meow] 1
#24701381 - 10/11/17 06:12 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wow.. those are some amazing pics... I am hoping for like 1/4 that kind of coverage
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Re: Post your MS Luck ! [Re: icetech] 1
#24701422 - 10/11/17 06:52 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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...AA+ MS grow
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ms pin sets



ms shorties


 

ms fatties

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Re: Post your MS Luck ! [Re: mushboy]
#24703111 - 10/11/17 06:43 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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MeltingNe0
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That's purdy.
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Ziran
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a bit dry. gonna have to put some holes in those tubs for next time and stuff poly in them. I bet I can get a bitching pinset in those if I do. also this was four 4 oz jelly jar BRF cakes to 4 quarts Hpoo
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eatyualive
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Re: Post your MS Luck ! [Re: Ziran]
#24703535 - 10/11/17 09:34 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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i don't know if its luck if it fruits like this everytime.

this is some real multispore luck.
prints from 2003 revived and grown out. that is some pure luck or coincidence? ive revived some prints from 2000 and 2001 recently that im going to attempt to fruit.




here is the original grow from 2003. the substrate was contaminted. prints were taken. they were clean as a whistle. colonized plates as fast as fresh spores. 5 days full plate colonization!

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Citric



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Re: Post your MS Luck ! [Re: eatyualive] 3
#24703582 - 10/11/17 09:57 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Look at any picture I have posted. It's all my MS "luck"
Or most any picture in here and the grow logs section, before this whole epidemic about spore syringes not being clean.
I am waiting on materials, then I will be doing another grow with all the recent "no nos" I have come across since I have been gone for a year.
MS Open air inoc TiT incubator
Amongst many other things. I will also be documenting many TEK's that I either never had time for, or forgot to do so.
Agar was used for isolating, which is a very advanced technique. Now a days I am seeing people recommending this to newbies, even doing simple BRF.
K.I.S.S. These things grow themselves. I have done my share of agar, cloning, isolating. But every grow I have ever logged, or taken pictures of, was a straight MS grow, or MS > Grain > Grain LC.
People have used MS inoc for YEARRRRRRRRS.
Is agar a better solution? Yes G2G? Yes
Required? Hell no.
People want to recommend the *best* methods, but are still recommending a SAB over a flow hood. PF tek over bulk. Ect..
Sorry for possibly hijacking your thread, but this is non sense. People need to stop recommending the best way possible, when there are thousands and thousands of alternatives.
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Re: Post your MS Luck ! [Re: Citric]
#24703593 - 10/11/17 10:04 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Post your MS Luck ! [Re: Citric]
#24703594 - 10/11/17 10:04 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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I personally would never recommend a sab over a flow hood....just a lot easier for a broke bastard to use a sab...I still want a flow hood so I can persue cultivating edibles...from what I hear trying to inoculate bags in a sab is a big no no..but I can still use some spawn plugs for now I guess
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eatyualive
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Well said CITRIC!
spore syringes have been demonized. although i see people who ridicule them but sell them to unknowing newbies on stupid social media. shame on them.
its like 20 years worth of multispore syringes didn't happen without contamination. lol.
i still have syringes from 2007 sitting in the fridge that fruit and are clean as a whistle.
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Leftfield420 said: I personally would never recommend a sab over a flow hood....just a lot easier for a broke bastard to use a sab...I still want a flow hood so I can persue cultivating edibles...from what I hear trying to inoculate bags in a sab is a big no no..but I can still use some spawn plugs for now I guess
I am not saying anyone is recommending a SAB over a flow hood. I am stating I am hearing recommendations of using the *best* methods, yet I still hear SAB being recommended.
If the whole purpose of agar is to test a syringe or print, then test it on a half pint or pint of grain. If all is well, G2G from there.
Don't start on agar to test, then wedge to a grain jar, then G2G. You are simply adding an extra, unnecessary, time consuming step. Inoc the grain jar, wait, then G2G.
I have been gone for over a year, so I don't know where all of this came from, and to be quite honest, so suddenly.
Feel free to look at most all of the moderators grows, most of the TEKs people follow, almost all of the grow logs. 90% of them are MS grows. This is non sense and I plan to debunk all of this here shortly.
-------------------- Self Healing lid tek ** Update 10.17.17 ** Mini casing pictures: Pins to harvest Cup O' Shrooms Magash: I noticed my contams were in the shape of fingers Hyphae: Yes "Loss of moisture from the substrate" is not a casing trigger. My final Grow!
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Re: Post your MS Luck ! [Re: Citric]
#24703621 - 10/11/17 10:14 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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that's fucking great....was just literally talking to eats about this
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Re: Post your MS Luck ! [Re: eatyualive] 2
#24703629 - 10/11/17 10:16 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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eatyualive said: Well said CITRIC!
spore syringes have been demonized. although i see people who ridicule them but sell them to unknowing newbies on stupid social media. shame on them.
its like 20 years worth of multispore syringes didn't happen without contamination. lol.
i still have syringes from 2007 sitting in the fridge that fruit and are clean as a whistle.
It's fkn crazy and ridiculous. Agar is not for testing a syringe! Sure, you can! But you can also test it a thousand different ways. Agars main purpose was for isolation. Which none of these new growers need to ever read about, let alone experience.
Cubes grow themselves! The hardest part here is to not sneeze as you inoculate your jars!
Want to test a syringe? Get a few half pints, put a scoop or two of grain, and inoculate it. From there, if all is well, you can then make a grain LC and inoculate all of your jars, which will speed colonization time ten fold. Rather then inoculate agar, wedge to grain, then G2G.
Never in a million years did I really think I'd come back to this, let alone being suggested to new growers.
New growers were always suggested to buy a syringe from a local, TRUSTED vendor, and grow some BRF.
The thought of recommending a new grower to do bulk was absurd. Yet now we want them to jump right into agar. .... non sense
-------------------- Self Healing lid tek ** Update 10.17.17 ** Mini casing pictures: Pins to harvest Cup O' Shrooms Magash: I noticed my contams were in the shape of fingers Hyphae: Yes "Loss of moisture from the substrate" is not a casing trigger. My final Grow!
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I like that citric, MS has been good to me, haven't had one contamination episode once from a syringe. Only done a handful of grows but still, it seems as if it's an unacceptable method for growing some good mushrooms. Which I don't fully understand, other than getting *clean cultures and what not. It would be nice to clone a certain mushroom, but MS works for me.
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Re: Post your MS Luck ! [Re: Cybin_man] 2
#24703637 - 10/11/17 10:23 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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This whole idea of spore syringes being un clean demoralizes our fucking sponsors. I seriously want to ban anyone even mentioning it.
Hey, your spore syringe is dirty because you made it? Try harder.
Your spore syringe from a vendor is dirty? Contact that sponsor, they stand by their product and will back it.
I have had ONE, I say it again ONE spore syringe bad, over 15+ years.
That's like telling someone I've been going to my favorite little corner store restaurant as a kid, getting quality chicken alfredo for my dollars worth. Then after 15 years I get sick ONCE. I sure as shit ain't going to start going to Olive Garden every time I want some noddles and chicken. Shit happens.
-------------------- Self Healing lid tek ** Update 10.17.17 ** Mini casing pictures: Pins to harvest Cup O' Shrooms Magash: I noticed my contams were in the shape of fingers Hyphae: Yes "Loss of moisture from the substrate" is not a casing trigger. My final Grow!
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Re: Post your MS Luck ! [Re: Citric]
#24703650 - 10/11/17 10:31 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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I will say, In my tale of 13 cakes thread, that syringe is one I made in an SAB and i only had 2 jars go south. 11 out of 13 is pretty good imo.
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Re: Post your MS Luck ! [Re: Citric]
#24703653 - 10/11/17 10:32 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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 Wild gymnopilus luteoviridis ms syringe
 Psilicybe cyan ms syringe
 Psilicybe baeocystis me syringe
 Pan cyan ms syringe
 Gymnopilus ms
 Psilicybe semilanceata me
 Pan fimicola ms
 Psilicybe cubensis ms
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Citric



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Re: Post your MS Luck ! [Re: Ziran]
#24703659 - 10/11/17 10:34 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ziran said: I will say, In my tale of 13 cakes thread, that syringe is one I made in an SAB and i only had 2 jars go south. 11 out of 13 is pretty good imo.
And that ratio right there(No offense coming up) tells me it was not your syringe. It was your inoculation technique. If it was the syringe, you'd be batting over .500 contam ratio easily.
-------------------- Self Healing lid tek ** Update 10.17.17 ** Mini casing pictures: Pins to harvest Cup O' Shrooms Magash: I noticed my contams were in the shape of fingers Hyphae: Yes "Loss of moisture from the substrate" is not a casing trigger. My final Grow!
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Re: Post your MS Luck ! [Re: cronicr]
#24703668 - 10/11/17 10:37 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not to mention the amount of times I swipe spores I rarely see contams anyway. People have been putting spores to grains successfully for decades...sure you might spot a contams or two just inoculate against the glass ..watch for molds and g2g the healthy ones
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Re: Post your MS Luck ! [Re: cronicr]
#24703702 - 10/11/17 10:58 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just want to know why, and when, this whole thing started. Also, by who. Because they along with anyone else who suggest this, is beyond wrong. Our sponsors are very viable. I will reach out to every sponsor that sells a ms syringe, get one from each, and have a very successful grow with each. Using ms injection.
-------------------- Self Healing lid tek ** Update 10.17.17 ** Mini casing pictures: Pins to harvest Cup O' Shrooms Magash: I noticed my contams were in the shape of fingers Hyphae: Yes "Loss of moisture from the substrate" is not a casing trigger. My final Grow!
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Re: Post your MS Luck ! [Re: Citric]
#24703744 - 10/11/17 11:36 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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I read Mckenna's book and he recommends agar. I started with agar and have to say Im pretty happy. I just like knowing my inoculate is clean.
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Agar isn't an advanced technique at all. Pretty simple actually. I guess it's not a requirement but who wants to be spending money on syringes all the time or making them for that matter? Put one drop on agar and away you go to a as many grows as you want
I guess I see your point though
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Re: Post your MS Luck ! [Re: Citric]
#24703774 - 10/12/17 12:22 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Citric said:
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Ziran said: I will say, In my tale of 13 cakes thread, that syringe is one I made in an SAB and i only had 2 jars go south. 11 out of 13 is pretty good imo.
And that ratio right there(No offense coming up) tells me it was not your syringe. It was your inoculation technique. If it was the syringe, you'd be batting over .500 contam ratio easily.
What would you recommend doing differently? I know the last pf tek grow I did was 100% no contamns. so its more like a ratio of 27/30 which is 90% success with an MS syringe. (considering I made the last one as well) brf and verm are cheap so losing a jar here and there isnt a big deal.
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natedawgnow said: Agar isn't an advanced technique at all. Pretty simple actually.
Growing cubes is beyond simple.
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natedawgnow said: I guess it's not a requirement but who wants to be spending money on syringes all the time or making them for that matter? Put one drop on agar and away you go to a as many grows as you want
I guess I see your point though
Sponsors pay to be here for a reason. Not to be pretty much told half of their product line up is contaminated. Which, is totally untrue.
One drop on agar, then to grain, then to G2G.. when you can put that initial first drop on grain, and do the same G2G?
I see your point though..
Hey, if you want to waste time testing the validity of syringes or spores on agar.. then goto grain... then G2G or GLC.. go for it. Me.. I'd rather throw it on a small grain jar and make grain LC and harvest in under a month.
-------------------- Self Healing lid tek ** Update 10.17.17 ** Mini casing pictures: Pins to harvest Cup O' Shrooms Magash: I noticed my contams were in the shape of fingers Hyphae: Yes "Loss of moisture from the substrate" is not a casing trigger. My final Grow!
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I used 3 ms syringes on my cakes(1st grow) and since then I've just had prints to work with... Didn't have any problems with ms syringes...just haven't bought or made any ms syringes since I started out cultivating...I was told agar was the way to go if I was going to keep with the hobby, and now I don't mind doing the agar work...even if it takes a week or two longer...
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This may be blasphemy to say now but I inoculate pf jars open air without sterilizing the tip lol. And I have very little contamination. I was chased around for 3 years by "the best growers on this forum" for that statement. Most of these people talk about growing mushrooms but dont actually grow mushrooms.(you know who you are)
Been doing it that way since 1996 with little contamination. Comparatively, I get the same contam rates with ms syringes that I do with agar. Its really close to 0. Same thing with grow bags. If someone wants to use them so be it. Dont insult them bc their situation doesn't allow for making their own bulk bags. It helps newbs get a feel for the process.
I have a treasure chest of old vendor syringes from 2009 and older that still germinate and give me clean growth. No contams. Is agar easy? Yes. Do I like it yes. Is ms easy, yes. Do I like it, yes.
Point being is that there are too many fun ways to grow. Narrowing down peoples methods only keeps them stuck in the box. I mean people hardly grow off anything other than coir and verm now. Dung straw is a fun bulk substrate. And there are too many cool substrate recipes to do the same thing over and over. Mix it up, learn something new. Dont limit yourself.
Its like blasphemy to say anything other than CVG. Then you have forum police raiding your thread and insulting you.
This is not the shroomery I once new.
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Re: Post your MS Luck ! [Re: cronicr]
#24704053 - 10/12/17 06:19 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sorry for the newb question, but what media are you colonizing in? 1 looks like popcorn after that i'm lost.. getting ready to do my first jars and was just gonna WBS. Any reason you are using those instead?
Thanks..
P.S. i think this hobby is a fucking addiction.. i made 12 new plates the other night then the next day was like why the fuck did i even make those? i don't need them for a week or so.. then innoc'd 6 more Agar is so friggin easy it's insane..
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 Wild gymnopilus luteoviridis ms syringe
 Psilicybe cyan ms syringe
 Psilicybe baeocystis me syringe
 Pan cyan ms syringe
 Gymnopilus ms
 Psilicybe semilanceata me
 Pan fimicola ms
 Psilicybe cubensis ms
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I don't know why pasteurization intimidates me a lil bit...but eventually I'll learn to work with other substrates..
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Popcorn wbs rye millet...a mix of sawdust and bran anything that works
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cronicr said: Popcorn wbs rye millet...a mix of sawdust and bran anything that works
Ah thanks... my first agars are growing and i am not sure on direction at this point for jars or sub in a tub (all dr. suess on that one) was going to go WBS but i see videos or read how you have to pick out certain seeds.. and other saying nope. just use it.. alot of contradictory nfo everywhere.. (willy fucking myco) so just trying to find what's easy, cheap and has a decent sucess rate right now..
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Willy is kind of an idiot...find a tel on here and go with it it's all stupid easy just a lit of people do things a little different to get the same outcome
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cronicr said: Willy is kind of an idiot...find a tel on here and go with it it's all stupid easy just a lit of people do things a little different to get the same outcome
I think i do too much research and reading if thats possible.. will get it figured
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Some dicks from spore syringe to grain
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Interesting discussion.
I've been growing via MS syringes since the 90s, never doing any other method of innoc. I just did my first G2G last week.
Up until that, every jar I ever inoculated was MS in open air, often without doing steps like sterilizing the needle in between jars. About 20 years of doing this with both standard BRF cakes and WBS jars of 1 pint and quart sizes. I experienced very little contamination - I rarely lost any jars to contams and really only saw contams appearing after several flushes when the cakes and/or tubs became very weakened.
I came to the conclusion that a lot of standard practices were recommended to newbies in order to combat poor understanding of how to work properly, because I worked in old, moldy apartments and houses, in open air without ever having issues with contams from MS.
I also made a lot of my own syringes via taking my own prints, diluting one syringe into 20, etc.
I also made all my syringes and made all my prints in open air.
I worked for many years without updating my methods as everything worked just fine for me. I came back recently when starting up a new batch and read on updated methods. A lot of this reading was great as certain ideas had been thrown out and simplified, but also saw all of this new talk about how bad MS is, etc. I had prepared and inoculated quite a lot of WBS jars and only had a handful colonize, so I was feeling pretty down as this had never happened to me before, and I was particularly susceptible to all the negative talk about MS despite decades of experience telling me otherwise. Looking back, I think the spore solution was ridiculously diluted (already diluted 2x from original syringe) as well as being very old.
Anyway, G2G was great and I can't believe I didn't start doing that earlier... so much more efficient than starting from spore.... but you all have me rethinking the need to give up MS.
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No need to give up ms...even though I use agar my grows have been ms, unless you isolate on agar it's still ms ...although I just took a clone to test at a later date...may take a couple more as well... I just lost one of my tubs after a massive first flush...best flush I've got so far...
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Ah thanks... my first agars are growing and i am not sure on direction at this point for jars or sub in a tub (all dr. suess on that one) was going to go WBS but i see videos or read how you have to pick out certain seeds.. and other saying nope. just use it.. alot of contradictory nfo everywhere.. (willy fucking myco) so just trying to find what's easy, cheap and has a decent sucess rate right now..
WBS is easy (and cheap if you source the best priced bag - I get a big ass bag from Walmart for under $10). A lot of the teks over complicate it. You don't have to pick out any of the seeds, people just prefer to for different reasons. Sunflower seeds are black and some people don't like to see anything black in their jars so there is no confusion over possible contams. There are people who don't even bother cleaning their WBS, they just use it as it comes in the bag.
I have a couple jars in the PC right now which consist entirely of all the crap people clean out of their WBS - sunflower seeds, floaters, moths, maggots, sticks, etc. I am going to colonize it and use it for fruiting, and I'll throw up some pics to show how it goes. I'm sure someone has already done this.
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Thanks pixel.. i am heading to home depot tonight to grab some CFL's will see how their WBS prices are
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Leftfield420 said: No need to give up ms...even though I use agar my grows have been ms, unless you isolate on agar it's still ms ...
I guess I should have clarified I meant MS syringes. I kind of agree with Citric regarding skipping the agar and just injecting MS onto a grain jar, and working from there. Agar seems like its just adding extra supplies, work and storage into the mix, although I understand its validity and why people love it. I don't know, will have to think on it... may just go ahead and try agar anyway to do something new.
But inoculating a grain jar and then doing a bunch of g2g seems like a pretty simple and efficient way of working.
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icetech said: Thanks pixel.. i am heading to home depot tonight to grab some CFL's will see how their WBS prices are
If you decide to do WBS, I'd recommend following SpitballJedi's WBS prep guide here: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20048754#20048754
No need to cook/simmer WBS at all. Just let it soak, drain for about 15 min, and then load it into you jars. This is what I do and it works great.
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I agree with everything said about syringes. I grew about a decade ago and now am back. This time I'm spending way more time researching and taking my time wanting to learn this science:) so I ordered about $250 bucks worth of lab supplies 200 perti dishes, agar and tools and am trying to learn it all. It is by no means easy for a brand new noob to jump into agar just pouring plates was a bitch with the temps and condensation, not impossible but not an hour reading and your off.
So I knocked up a dozen jars all are doing great, and while I'm waiting I'm pouring plates and there turning out ok no contams so far and a week in and 3/4 are colonizing pretty well. I figured doing it this way would give me something to do while waiting on jars to colonize, That way by the time my multi spore grow is done I'll have some agar Experience under my belt to clone some fruits.
Also in the past I just used ms to wild bird seed and then cased with straight verm and they turned out awesome. So the only time I had problems with syringes was when I fucked up sterile technique definitely not the syringes themselves.
So all in all I have probably 15 grows under my belt so by no means an expert But I have a lot more experience than someone brand new and I probably spent 100 plus hours researching over the last month to buy all the right supplies and know how to use agar There's literally hundreds of different teks on this site for agar and I probably read every one of them to increase my chances for success. This is definitely not something I would recommend to someone who has never grown a single mushroom. They need to learn to bang out a couple cakes and casings first. I think anything more would be overload and more likely to fuck things up. A true noob needs to focus on sterile technique and preparing/sterilizing spawn. Before they even think about agar.
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Haha thanks pixel.. i was just looking through guides trying to figure what to follow.. will use that:)
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Re: Post your MS Luck ! [Re: icetech]
#24705161 - 10/12/17 04:15 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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MS ksssXpe(envySS)

Another MS envyss
 
Ms pesa two tubs Spores straight to grain


Ms aa+ amd envyss

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Re: Post your MS Luck ! [Re: Citric]
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A lot of people around here need to hear that Citric.
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Pesa spawn reverse order. G2g receiving jars first.
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I have seen Pesa mentioned alot today for some reason, is that a strain?
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Re: Post your MS Luck ! [Re: icetech]
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PE from syringe.
 A handsome fruit from first flush
Second flush kicked out some biggens.
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It's nice to see a discussion like this. Agar isn't the only way.
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Re: Post your MS Luck ! [Re: afrekcan]
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Honestly I'm not very sanitary at all and I still get almost no contams. If you are getting contams all the time you are almost purposely being negligent.
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A variety. Pes amazon
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A variety. Pes amazon
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Damn Bod, those are sick for ms. One question, where in the hell do you get those crazy ass colorful knives!
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Sam's club. Cheapo knives and a good sharpener
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I've been having some shit luck with agar. Pouring was no problem (other than condensation but that's my fault for trying to rush things), unused plates are still clean, but I've been having serious mold problems from the start (syringe maybe, but I'm not ruling human error out entirely especially since my jars are fine so far)
I think I might have something clean at this point from ms but my clones go super bacterial before any myc comes along (might need to cut back on the malt extract a bit next time). I'll get it eventually I'm sure, but I would've been better off sticking with ms until I was confident in my work.
Anyway, here's my ms luck.

I had a nasty run in with trich and bacteria during colonization, from a compromised verm barrier, that wiped out most of my jars. I was so pissed by the time I got to that half cake that I said fuck it and just cut him in half and I'm glad I did, just put them back in the fc for 2nd flush.
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Re: Post your MS Luck ! [Re: 00Burnout]
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Complete noob here. I am so confused now. I started reading and learning about growing mushroom here a few weeks ago, and after reading hundreds of threads and many TEKs, I am convinced that starting with agar and SAB is the way to go even I am a noob who never grow before.
Sorry if this is off topic. Please let me know if I should move this somewhere else.
My plan is Agar -> Isolate and clean -> A2G -> G2G -> Spawning to bulk in monotub
I am following Bod's Unmodified Tub TEKs
I am using MS syringe from one of the sponsor
Two days ago I started my first agar
So I am thinking I should go get some WBS today and then follow No Cook WBS TEK from SpitballJedi, and experiment with MS -> WBS
I already build my SAB and I plan to use my MS syringe and open lid instead of SHIP.
I will appreciate some experienced cultivators here to validate my plan. Please let me know if I am missing something.
Thanks!

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RR8 said: Complete noob here. I am so confused now. I started reading and learning about growing mushroom here a few weeks ago, and after reading hundreds of threads and many TEKs, I am convinced that starting with agar and SAB is the way to go even I am a noob who never grow before.
My plan is Agar -> Isolate and clean -> A2G -> G2G -> Spawning to bulk in monotub
I am following Bod's Unmodified Tub TEKs
I am using MS syringe from one of the sponsor
Two days ago I started my first agar
So I am thinking I should go get some WBS today and then follow No Cook WBS TEK from SpitballJedi, and experiment with MS -> WBS
I already build my SAB and I plan to use my MS syringe and open lid instead of SHIP.
I will appreciate some experienced cultivators here to validate my plan. Please let me know if I am missing something.
Thanks!


MAKE A GROW LOG!
that sounds like a solid plan. grain prep is critical. i can not stress the importance. soaking wbs for 24hrs and doing a basic draining/drying produces never fail grains for me.
i even did my own write up
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Re: Post your MS Luck ! [Re: mushboy]
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I would skip isolating for now, just get clean growth on your agar. Isolates require testing to make sure you have genetics that will produce fruits, you don't want to go through all the trouble of making a monoculture just to find out it doesn't give you shit.
I'm still a noob so I can't give you real solid advice in that regard, but you should definitely start a grow log.
A word of advice, be careful about asking off topic questions. There's a lot of people on the shroomery that will jump your ass for being even slightly off topic with no remorse. Luckily mushboy isn't one of them (at least from what I've seen) and is pretty damn helpful.
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Those are some great cakes MadHatter!
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Thanks guys. For some reason I seem to have good luck with cakes.
LOL I have something like 47 Pint sized cakes in various stages of colonization right now.
At the time of this pic there was 39 on this shelf, I have added 8 more to it. Many of these are knocked up with an old LC. Some from spore.
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Bulk bag fruits.(Costa rica) I've done 4 bags in the past few months.(1 koh samui) Doing a 64qt tub next go around with what's left of my koh samui syringe.
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Mad hatter those cakes are fucking awesome. Good job broski
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Nice sized fruits there, Cybin_man!
I happen to be doing a run of Costa Rican myself right now:
No fruits or pins yet...
The mostly colonized tub did not get a top layer of coir and was put into fruiting conditions at spawn. The 2nd tub did get a top layer of coir and had FAE restricted. Both are 2 quarts spawn + 1/2 brick coir


 Shoebox

These jars are G2G'd from MS syringe sourced WBS jars (syringe created in open air, inoc of jars done in open air, G2G in SAB). The yellowish spots are corn kernels, not metabolites or bacterial spots.
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First two mini monos ended up being not quite so lucky... achieved a decent pin set and flush on both, but I think the genetics resulted in all really small fruits. Both tubs were basically identical.. was disappointed so I didn't even photograph tub 1. But both came out like this:

Woulda been more of a full canopy but I had harvested some of the early growing fruits prior to this.
So glad I g2g'd so many more jars from this same batch of Costa Rican 
Hopefully the Chitwan and Burma shoeboxes turn up some nicer fruits.
Those tiny shrooms are a pain in the ass to harvest.
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Just for the sake of follow-up- dry weight for the 1st flush came out to exactly 3 oz. So not too bad despite being all tiny shrooms... sampled with just 200mg and felt it for sure so potency is good
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pixelpopper said: First two mini monos ended up being not quite so lucky... achieved a decent pin set and flush on both, but I think the genetics resulted in all really small fruits. Both tubs were basically identical.. was disappointed so I didn't even photograph tub 1. But both came out like this:

Woulda been more of a full canopy but I had harvested some of the early growing fruits prior to this.
So glad I g2g'd so many more jars from this same batch of Costa Rican 
Hopefully the Chitwan and Burma shoeboxes turn up some nicer fruits.
Those tiny shrooms are a pain in the ass to harvest.
My Costa Rica did similar
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Interesting... that pretty much looks like what I had from the side. Wonder if its common with CR
Using several varieties I've had packed away for a while and have never grown before. This will be my first grow of the Chitwan and Burma as well.
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I think the biggest CR I ever got was like 5 inch tall and not that thick of a stipe. I fucking hated CR and am glad to be on to new varieties.
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Yeah, overall I am not impressed with CR and am not going to bother with saving this variety for future grows. Although the potency seems just fine
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People I let try them liked them, but their potency didn't impress me. I have had much better.
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Feel kind of like an asshole cuz this is the 3rd thread I've posted in about this grow but this is fitting.
 3.7 Oz dry first flush
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2nd flush from the mini mono I posted above - resulted in some much larger fruits but not nearly the same sized flush:

Shoeboxes/trays from the same batch of Costa Rican MS syringe to WBS jars. All shoeboxes are 1qt spawn mixed with coir:
 
 
 
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Here is MS LGT pint size cake that I cased and fruited in jar. I did this with about 27 jars. This was the 1st to fruit and gave me either 84 or 86g wet. I have harvested a few other jars since this one a couple days ago and have been getting lots of big shrooms, a couple up around 8 inches.
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Just wanted to get in on this and keep an eye on everyone's epic contributions here.
so far I haven't even tried fruiting any clones (soon will be with PE) as I have been very satisfied with these somewhatconsistant ms results.(Luck)
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pixelpopper said: 2nd flush from the mini mono I posted above - resulted in some much larger fruits but not nearly the same sized flush:

Shoeboxes/trays from the same batch of Costa Rican MS syringe to WBS jars. All shoeboxes are 1qt spawn mixed with coir:
 
 
 

Your results are amazing, open air unmodified is looking quite optimal, and it's so easy just pc coir, let it cool and mix with spawn, cover a few days than take the lid off. You said you yielded 1.3 Oz roughly per 1 Q tub ms? I don't think I've seen a more successful ms grow, or really shoebox grow at all in a little while. Outstanding.
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Hey thanks! I posted some more specific information on this grow over at the shoebox thread
Yeah, dry weight on each box came out about the same around 1.3 oz. The shoeboxes actually produced better than the mini monos. Both of my mini-monos yielded 1.5oz dry (first flush), but I used 2 quarts spawn on each of those where I used only 1 quart spawn on the shoeboxes.
Surprisingly uniform results with size of fruits, pinset, and yield. Initially I was not happy with the small size of the mushrooms but now I am wishing I had taken some clones. Potency is very nice as well. I did take some tissue samples to agar from a larger fruit in my mini-mono, which is also from the same initial batch of Costa Rican. And I also still have a grain jar in the fridge and some more spawn jars ready which are sourced to the same grain transfers as these boxes... so may still have a shot at saving these genetics.
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Those look tasty
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More coming in the next few days 

Keep up to date with this sort of grow log here: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24756477
I'll update when there's enough action.
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I'd hate to call this luck but here are some multispore tubs
  
I know I'm not the only one who frequently pulls off ms canopies. Never underestimate the power of multispore
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Those are some amazing grows CBK!
I know, i think the thread name needs a change.
MS needs more love, feels like people need to know that agar has it's place in this hobby, but isn't a necessity.
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These are nice!I have 4 ms jars almost ready to spawn!
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Timmy Meow said: Those are some amazing grows CBK!
I know, i think the thread name needs a change.
MS needs more love, feels like people need to know that agar has it's place in this hobby, but isn't a necessity.
Oops sorry if there was any confusion. All my grows were cleaned on agar first. All I was trying to say is you don't need a clone to have great results.
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 yeah I think the thread is about ms vs clone/isolating/narrowing gentics not spores to grain vs cleaning spores on agar first.
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tombosley8 said:
 yeah I think the thread is about ms vs clone/isolating/narrowing gentics not spores to grain vs cleaning spores on agar first.
Ahh I see now, sorry my mistake
Was just saying that I don't think agar is a must, though a good skill to learn. It definitely has it's place in cleaning, cloning, isolating, etc...
Just mentioning this as I read a hella lot on this forums about guys coming down hard on noobs claiming that you can't to MS to grain and agar is the only way to do it or you'll fail.
All my grows are MS to grain bags with 90+% success and only improving as I continue to learn. Everyone will find their own niche in this hobby
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Re: Post your MS Luck ! [Re: Timmy Meow] 1
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I totally agree but sure love my agar at the same time.
I love your grows and glad you are happy with your method and results.
And glad to see someone stand up and show proof how well it can work.
Your rock in it! thanx for sharing
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Timmy I completely agree with you there is more than one way to skin a cat and thats why I like to leave options open to people asking for advice. yes there are more reliable methods, but if you know how to operate with what you're working with you can definitely be successful with less popular methods.
I really like to push agar on people just because its very intimidating to a noob but relatively easy to get into, but this hobby i'snt black and white. If you insist on doing spores to grain there is a proper way to go about it and everyone deserves to have a full understanding of how to get the best chances of success with any method they choose.
Ive seen you inoculate grains with a black syringe full of spores with a canopy to show for it. theres no doubt that spores to grain can work. but you have to be smart with how you use your spores
I apologize in agvance cause im drunk as all hell but i feel like this is the major flaw with the teachings of the shrroomery. everyhone wants to make it black and white but dont give a full understanding on why and how other methods work
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ComebackKid said: Timmy I completely agree with you there is more than one way to skin a cat and thats why I like to leave options open to people asking for advice. yes there are more reliable methods, but if you know how to operate with what you're working with you can definitely be successful with less popular methods.
I really like to push agar on people just because its very intimidating to a noob but relatively easy to get into, but this hobby i'snt black and white. If you insist on doing spores to grain there is a proper way to go about it and everyone deserves to have a full understanding of how to get the best chances of success with any method they choose.
Ive seen you inoculate grains with a black syringe full of spores with a canopy to show for it. theres no doubt that spores to grain can work. but you have to be smart with how you use your spores
I apologize in agvance cause im drunk as all hell but i feel like this is the major flaw with the teachings of the shrroomery. everyhone wants to make it black and white but dont give a full understanding on why and how other methods work
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Hell yeah
I've only just started my first attempts with agar, but even using agar instead of spore to grain, I think I'm still leaning towards MS.
For some reason I just really like the idea of using spores and the fact that each grow has a element of chaos involved.
While I understand the benefit of isolating and cloning, it just seems boring to me compared to working with spores
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pixelpopper said: Hell yeah
I've only just started my first attempts with agar, but even using agar instead of spore to grain, I think I'm still leaning towards MS.
For some reason I just really like the idea of using spores and the fact that each grow has a element of chaos involved.
While I understand the benefit of isolating and cloning, it just seems boring to me compared to working with spores 
It's still a MS grow if you're just cleaning up your spores with agar.
Here's another grow of Treasure Coasts
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Love multi spore. I don't waste my time trying to play like I'm a scientist.
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You waited quite awhile before harvesting those huh
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You waited quite awhile before harvesting those huh 
Yea they were for prints,,, then I got busy..
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Re: Post your MS Luck ! [Re: fishy1]
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Here is a 76g 1st flush MS LGT.
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this thread is sick
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Re: Post your MS Luck ! [Re: thelanzii]
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Stropharia spore print -> agar -> wedge drops & LI economy mix WBS(direct from spore print, no agar transfers)
Shoebox I'm about to harvest - I didn't label but I think it was 1qt spawn

56qt unmodified mono with 5qt spawn
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