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Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average.
    #19338192 - 12/28/13 06:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Dr. Gordon Hodson, a professor of psychology at the university and the study's lead author, said the finding represented evidence of a vicious cycle: People of low intelligence gravitate toward socially conservative ideologies, which stress resistance to change and, in turn, prejudice, he told LiveScience.

Why might less intelligent people be drawn to conservative ideologies? Because such ideologies feature "structure and order" that make it easier to comprehend a complicated world, Dodson said. "Unfortunately, many of these features can also contribute to prejudice," he added.

Dr. Brian Nosek, a University of Virginia psychologist, echoed those sentiments.

"Reality is complicated and messy," he told The Huffington Post in an email. "Ideologies get rid of the messiness and impose a simpler solution. So, it may not be surprising that people with less cognitive capacity will be attracted to simplifying ideologies."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/27/intelligence-study-links-prejudice_n_1237796.html





:heytherebadboy:

So do you guys think being racist helps people feel better about their own stupidity?


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: teknix]
    #19338246 - 12/28/13 06:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

All isms are idiocies.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: Roger Wilco]
    #19338259 - 12/28/13 06:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Even atheism, agnosticism and theism?

I don't know if all of them are, but a good chunk of them are.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: teknix]
    #19338267 - 12/28/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

racism is an affliction, like schizophrenia, because it fills the thoughts with false delusions. it limits the flourishing of intelligence because intelligence can only unfold in the effective truth of the absolute reality. so when somebody lets racism into their mind-field, then they let themselves fall into a consciousness-related prison of their own design. and in this self-created prison, they cannot see the effective truth of our equality, which in turn limits the potential of the intelligence to unfold itself.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: teknix]
    #19338291 - 12/28/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

There are many intelligent "racists" has well, how do you think the graduates of Harvard, Yale, and Princeton feel about black culture?

1. They won't hire them in many cases.

2. They won't live next to them.

3. They won't date, marry, or socialize with them.

4. If you ask them their true feelings about blacks, they would tell you they can't stand them.

So the fact of the matter is, the most educated people in society don't really care for different races, and they don't admit it all the time, but if you have socialized with these highly educated/intelligent people like I have, you then understand their true feelings about blacks.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: qman]
    #19338331 - 12/28/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i reckon that their intelligence, despite all of their wealth and prestige, would not amount to much if it was possible to scrutinize them without their protective layer of prestige. granted, it does not make them inferior, but it is prudent to still keep in mind that many institutes of higher education are more concerned with prestige and wealth, and far less about unfolding intelligence in any real, effective capacity.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: qman]
    #19338338 - 12/28/13 07:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I agree and I think everyone has racist thoughts to one degree or another.  And I also think racism is based in personal insecurity.  Some more, some less but it's part of human makeup it seems.  Even Gandhi was racist it seems.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: qman]
    #19338350 - 12/28/13 07:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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qman said:
There are many intelligent "racists" has well, how do you think the graduates of Harvard, Yale, and Princeton feel about black culture?

1. They won't hire them in many cases.

2. They won't live next to them.

3. They won't date, marry, or socialize with them.

4. If you ask them their true feelings about blacks, they would tell you they can't stand them.

So the fact of the matter is, the most educated people in society don't really care for different races, and they don't admit it all the time, but if you have socialized with these highly educated/intelligent people like I have, you then understand their true feelings about blacks.




You got evidence of this, or are you talking out your ass with the same fallacy of distribution that many racist seem to be prone too?


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: teknix]
    #19338370 - 12/28/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I've talked to many well educated that hate blacks or hispanics etc.  That's pretty good evidence to me. :shrug: I think education is only part of the equation in racism.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: teknix]
    #19338396 - 12/28/13 07:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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teknix said:
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qman said:
There are many intelligent "racists" has well, how do you think the graduates of Harvard, Yale, and Princeton feel about black culture?

1. They won't hire them in many cases.

2. They won't live next to them.

3. They won't date, marry, or socialize with them.

4. If you ask them their true feelings about blacks, they would tell you they can't stand them.

So the fact of the matter is, the most educated people in society don't really care for different races, and they don't admit it all the time, but if you have socialized with these highly educated/intelligent people like I have, you then understand their true feelings about blacks.




You got evidence of this, or are you talking out your ass with the same fallacy of distribution that many racist seem to be prone too?




"You got evidence of this"

Like the "solid" evidence you presented by Dr.Hodson? :rofl2:

You started this topic to suggest that since stupid white rednecks are racist, this proves lower intelligence and racist views are correlated, but you failed.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: qman]
    #19338410 - 12/28/13 07:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So I guess you have no evidence what-so-ever and are talking out of your ass, making shit up.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: teknix]
    #19338418 - 12/28/13 07:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I presented anecdotal evidence.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: Icelander]
    #19338422 - 12/28/13 07:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I've talked to many well educated that hate blacks or hispanics etc.  That's pretty good evidence to me. :shrug: I think education is only part of the equation in racism.




Yeah, well consider the source that is doing the determining of "well educated".

No, you didn't present any evidence, only made a claim.

And besides, one or two people could obviously be exceptions to the general rule.

Which a general rule is what was stated.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: teknix]
    #19338450 - 12/28/13 07:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not talking about one or two people.  I'm talking a lot over a lifetime.  I presented it as anecdotal evidence and it is. As I said almost everyone I've ever known well has made racist comments.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: Icelander]
    #19338460 - 12/28/13 07:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

No, it is only a claim icelander, you don't have any eivdence of any of these people even existing.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: teknix]
    #19338479 - 12/28/13 07:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I don't have evidence of these people existing? :curbyourenthusiasm:

You're back to this tactic again.  :lol:  In that case you have no evidence of any racism here or anywhere ever.  Especially as you likely don't exist.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: teknix]
    #19338487 - 12/28/13 07:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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So I guess you have no evidence what-so-ever and are talking out of your ass, making shit up.




How about socializing/living in a very affluent area of New Jersey for over 17 years? 

This highly educated area was always accused of being racist by the other areas of the state (because of the high Republican voting), these people did NOT care for black people, the look on their faces when they saw a black person was very obvious.

They did not want to live in towns with blacks, they did not want their children to go to school with blacks, they did not want their children to play sports with blacks, they did not want to go shopping if blacks were at the stores.

I don't know what else you want to hear other than my own experiences, will these people consider themselves racists?  No they won't, but when push comes to shove, they are even more racist than the rednecks down south, if you can't recognize that fact you are in denial.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: Icelander]
    #19338491 - 12/28/13 07:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Sure icelander, if your doctor is a racist, it should be fairly easy to provide such evidence.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: qman]
    #19338497 - 12/28/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

All those people don't exist according to teknix.  :curbyourenthusiasm:


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: teknix]
    #19338499 - 12/28/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not taking any of your words for it, put up some legit evidence or stfu.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: teknix]
    #19338501 - 12/28/13 07:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Sure icelander, if your doctor is a racist, it should be fairly easy to provide such evidence.





There is no evidence that Doctor's exist.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: teknix]
    #19338502 - 12/28/13 07:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I judge everyone based on their individual merits. I don't treat any minority better or worse than any other. I also believe that black people tend to have lower IQ's, and not because of any issues with culture bias or any thing else related to IQ testing. Am I racist? Am I stupid?


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: teknix]
    #19338506 - 12/28/13 07:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm not taking any of your words for it, put up some legit evidence or stfu.




What would be legit evidence?  And try and make me stfu.  I have no idea what your problem is but it's fucking stoopid imo.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: Icelander]
    #19338507 - 12/28/13 07:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Sure there is. Maybe not proof, but plenty of evidence, which is what I think you are confusing.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: robbyberto]
    #19338512 - 12/28/13 07:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I judge everyone based on their individual merits. I don't treat any minority better or worse than any other. I also believe that black people tend to have lower IQ's, and not because of any issues with culture bias or any thing else related to IQ testing. Am I racist? Am I stupid?




Nope. I agree with you.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: teknix]
    #19338514 - 12/28/13 07:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:facepalm:


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    #19338529 - 12/28/13 07:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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All isms are idiocies.





Like absolutism?


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    #19338534 - 12/28/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Or shroomerism.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: 404]
    #19338536 - 12/28/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:lol:


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: teknix]
    #19338547 - 12/28/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Sure there is. Maybe not proof, but plenty of evidence, which is what I think you are confusing.




Dude, you're just upset that your crazy theory of people that don't like blacks are stupid, when in fact highly intelligent people also don't like blacks.

Many highly educated people know blacks are statistically more likely to commit a criminal act against them or their property, this is basic commonsense. It makes perfect sense for highly educated people to be fearful of blacks.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: qman]
    #19338552 - 12/28/13 07:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

On average they are less intelligent than their counterparts.

I haven't seen any evidence to the contrary.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: teknix]
    #19338560 - 12/28/13 07:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I haven't seen any evidence from you either. :haha:


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: teknix]
    #19338651 - 12/28/13 08:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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On average they are less intelligent than their counterparts.

I haven't seen any evidence to the contrary.




Show me these "intelligent" white liberals that define themselves as color blind?

They claim they are NOT racist, but guess what?  They know a few decent black people and think they now have evolved into a higher state of social consciousness, but they are full of shit.

The first time you bring them into a black ghetto or housing project, they will beg you to take them home, they will all of a sudden change their minds about blacks, funny how that works.

Do these intelligent white liberals live near blacks?  No.
Do they date blacks? No.
Do they let their children socialize with blacks? No.

So all they really do is talk about not being racist, well my friend, you have been suckered by a bunch of hypocrites.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: Icelander]
    #19338655 - 12/28/13 08:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I haven't seen any evidence from you either. :haha:




Yes you did, in the OP. You should know by now that it is impossible for you to get under my skin. Try harder.

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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: qman]
    #19338664 - 12/28/13 08:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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On average they are less intelligent than their counterparts.

I haven't seen any evidence to the contrary.




Show me these "intelligent" white liberals that define themselves as color blind?

They claim they are NOT racist, but guess what?  They know a few decent black people and think they now have evolved into a higher state of social consciousness, but they are full of shit.

The first time you bring them into a black ghetto or housing project, they will beg you to take them home, they will all of a sudden change their minds about blacks, funny how that works.

Do these intelligent white liberals live near blacks?  No.
Do they date blacks? No.
Do they let their children socialize with blacks? No.

So all they really do is talk about not being racist, well my friend, you have been suckered by a bunch of hypocrites.




Then you shouldn't have any problem finding a citation from a respectable person who back up your claims.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: Icelander]
    #19338691 - 12/28/13 08:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It was even brought up in a psychology lecture back in the day that blacks "for some reason, controlling for all biases" consistently score the lowest out of the races in intellectual tasks.

I just make the observation the races are completely different personalities in general. They are different in fundamental ways culture won't change.

Race isn't a traditional thing, it's not an idea of the past... it's actually true that these already obviously different looking human beings are also different in fundamental values, tastes, demeanors, personality.

The only reason institutions and culture push equality and slam race as a factor in life is because our nations want to immigrate from non-white countries to expand their economies and power. Race just isn't good economics, this is why it is shunned.

I'm not saying let's bring back Nazism or something, I'm just an observer. And I observe we're being lied to because of economics. That's all. I don't know what the consequences will be.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: teknix]
    #19338703 - 12/28/13 08:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I haven't seen any evidence from you either. :haha:




Yes you did, in the OP. You should know by now that it is impossible for you to get under my skin. Try harder.

:lol:




That's hardly evidence. That's just some guys opinion and we have no idea if he exists. 

And I've not been trying to get under your skin. On the contrary I've been trying to figure out why everyone seems to have gotten you all pissed off. :confused:

Seriously. I can't figure out your motivation here. :shrug:

I've seen a lifetime of evidence of racism in most humans. It's very difficult for me to believe you haven't also.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: circastes]
    #19338712 - 12/28/13 08:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think we define racism differently. Racism to me requires the element of superiority, rather than considering the strengths and weaknesses of a race.


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    #19338721 - 12/28/13 08:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Even atheism, agnosticism and theism?

I don't know if all of them are, but a good chunk of them are.




Even atheism, agnosticism, and theism are forms of idiocy.

The prefix "id" refers to a general state of someones mind, pertaining to conceptual or language based reality. You can see the prefix in "Idea, Ideology, Identity, Idiot, etc.

Idiot refers to an individual who's actions are being defined by their "id": Somebody that is acting according to their current opinion is literally an idiot.

Somebody that does not have opinions, rather perspectives that are dynamic and make relevant changes when new information is added, is not an idiot.

An idiot puts logic first, and data second. The term "usefull idiot" is a political term used for people who get used for their influence in political agendas.

Someone whom puts data first, and does not rely on logical assessment, but continuously works to improves logical assessments as new data comes in, is not an idiot.

Sometimes the word "idiot" and the word "stupid" are used interchangeably, however this is a misnomer. To be stupid is to allow your "id", that is to say your language based, conceptual perception of reality, with stupor.

Stupid - lacks clarity due to unfit mind, or lack of attention. The conceptual language based mind has stupor.

Idiot - Clarity is but narrow and myopic. attention is narrow and myopic, and stuck by inertia. Isms. The conceptual language based mind logically dominates the flow of new data.

Not a stupid idiot - Builds dytnamic language based concepts, dynamic logic, and dynamic theory upon the foundation of experience and data.

All "archetype"(state, characteristic, doctrine, attitude) isms are myopic in nature; Idiocy defined.

There are types of ism which are removed from idiocy. One is "medical" ism, like "rheumatism", and another is "action" ism, or when it is used in sense of action, not in the sense of ideology, however these words are dubious, as they often imply a state, setting, condition, archetype etc. . For instance, the word terrorism to describe a bombing, or the words pacifism to describe a resolution of conflict; both of these words are loaded with political assumptions that influence the perception of the event. Using ism's to describe processes, or as action words, is often dangerous, hype building, and hinders an honest perspective of reality. It is possible, with clear concise context to use action isms without idiocy, it is just dubious.


I kinda feel like a stupid idiot sometimes when I spend so much time writing posts, but it is good practice for organizing my thoughts, and crafting sentences.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: teknix]
    #19338724 - 12/28/13 08:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's not just some guys opinion, they are doctors of psychology.

If what you say is true, then provide another doctors disagreement.


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    #19338732 - 12/28/13 08:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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All isms are idiocies.





Like absolutism?





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    #19338734 - 12/28/13 08:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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It was even brought up in a psychology lecture back in the day that blacks "for some reason, controlling for all biases" consistently score the lowest out of the races in intellectual tasks.

I just make the observation the races are completely different personalities in general. They are different in fundamental ways culture won't change.

Race isn't a traditional thing, it's not an idea of the past... it's actually true that these already obviously different looking human beings are also different in fundamental values, tastes, demeanors, personality.

The only reason institutions and culture push equality and slam race as a factor in life is because our nations want to immigrate from non-white countries to expand their economies and power. Race just isn't good economics, this is why it is shunned.

I'm not saying let's bring back Nazism or something, I'm just an observer. And I observe we're being lied to because of economics. That's all. I don't know what the consequences will be.





Sorry but I actually know a few black people and they are hardly different in values tastes or personality.  They have developed a sub culture out of necessity but humans are fundamentally the same imo.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: teknix]
    #19338736 - 12/28/13 08:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

"this means that intelligent whites say all the right things about racial equality in principle but they just don't actually do anything that would eliminate their privileges."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2389545/Intelligent-people-just-likely-racists-difference-likely-act-beliefs.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Bottom line, your white educated liberals talk a good game, but at the end of the day, they don't want anything to do with blacks, like I said, a bunch of phonies.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: Roger Wilco]
    #19338740 - 12/28/13 08:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Roger Wilco said:
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StateOfMind404 said:
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All isms are idiocies.





Like absolutism?





Precisely.




Lol, teh irony.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: qman]
    #19338755 - 12/28/13 08:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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"this means that intelligent whites say all the right things about racial equality in principle but they just don't actually do anything that would eliminate their privileges."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2389545/Intelligent-people-just-likely-racists-difference-likely-act-beliefs.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Bottom line, your white educated liberals talk a good game, but at the end of the day, they don't want anything to do with blacks, like I said, a bunch of phonies.




Atleast you found something, but it is by By DAILY MAIL REPORTER :lol:

Try finding a Doctor in a representative field saying it.


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    #19338760 - 12/28/13 08:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'd say that's pretty right on.


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    #19338792 - 12/28/13 08:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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"this means that intelligent whites say all the right things about racial equality in principle but they just don't actually do anything that would eliminate their privileges."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2389545/Intelligent-people-just-likely-racists-difference-likely-act-beliefs.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Bottom line, your white educated liberals talk a good game, but at the end of the day, they don't want anything to do with blacks, like I said, a bunch of phonies.




Atleast you found something, but it is by By DAILY MAIL REPORTER :lol:

Try finding a Doctor in a representative field saying it.





Geoffrey Wodtke is a doctoral candidate in sociology at the University of Michigan, he used data from 20,000 white respondents.


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    #19338873 - 12/28/13 08:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Roger Wilco said:
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All isms are idiocies.





Like absolutism?





Precisely.




Lol, teh irony.





It's sort of ironic, almost paradoxical, but only linguistically.

Saying all isms are idiocies is true, because idiocy is reliant upon pre-judgement, and all isms are reliant upon pre-judgement. It is in the nature and meaning of the words that makes the statement true. It is only as much "absolutism" as language has afforded. The message to take away from the irony, is be cognizant of the usage (and seduction) of "isms" and try and use more tangible, accurate language. The quality of our ideas will reflect the language we use to represent our ideas. Isms over simplify.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: qman]
    #19338882 - 12/28/13 08:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

While I find that to be interesting, I'm going to have to go through the .pdf to see if it is legit.

Here is the .pdf for anyone interested:

http://www.psc.isr.umich.edu/pubs/pdf/rr13-803.pdf

If anything this could just mean that people would rather keep the rights that they have.

If I disagree with affirmative action, am I racist?


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    #19338932 - 12/28/13 09:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Some things are self evident if you live long enough and are a critical thinker.  Racism as I said was in evidence at some point with almost everyone I've ever known just a little and I've know a lot of folk.  These folk come from the whole spectrum of white culture and intelligence.

Now if you wanted to make a claim about most racism is due to a lack of intelligence you might be right. Which when I think about it is the claim you've made. :lol: I'm not really sure about it being a majority though but it's likely there are a lot more ignorant humans than intelligent ones.  Then it comes down to the degree of racism exhibited and the depth of it.  For example some people will be racist but know they like and respect some people of that race. They will also actively try and not be racist.  Others hate the whole race and have no desire to not be racist.  That second group is likely to be the low intelligence ones imo.


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    #19338952 - 12/28/13 09:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, I think all it is showing is that people are looking out for their personal interest first. Regardless of intellect.

Yeah, that was the claim Icelander. Racist are less intelligent.


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    #19338962 - 12/28/13 09:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Roger Wilco said:
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All isms are idiocies.





Like absolutism?





Precisely.




Lol, teh irony.




Yeah i don't think my subtle point got across too well. I stand corrected.


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    #19338975 - 12/28/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Which makes sense.


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    #19339008 - 12/28/13 09:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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It's sort of ironic, almost paradoxical, but only linguistically.

Saying all isms are idiocies is true, because idiocy is reliant upon pre-judgement, and all isms are reliant upon pre-judgement. It is in the nature and meaning of the words that makes the statement true. It is only as much "absolutism" as language has afforded. The message to take away from the irony, is be cognizant of the usage (and seduction) of "isms" and try and use more tangible, accurate language. The quality of our ideas will reflect the language we use to represent our ideas. Isms over simplify.




At the same time, it provides a reference from which elaboration can be gained.

I can simply claim I'm an agnostic, but methodological naturalist is closer to the truth.  Which Methodological Naturalism is a fairly well defined "ism".


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    #19339072 - 12/28/13 09:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yes.


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    #19339207 - 12/28/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

"Philosophical naturalism is the doctrine that the observable world is all there is."

Who can define the observable world? We observe more and more constantly as technology grows, changing the landscape of what physical "nature" is. 

What if we are under the influence of a con artist? What we observe may not be true?

What about the limitations of our physical senses, and of our concepts and language? Is there not more that exists beyond comprehension due to these constraints?

Assume to make no assumption.

The plan is to check/update the plan.


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    #19339516 - 12/28/13 11:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You switched the words bro.

Philosophical Naturalism =/= Methodological Naturalism

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However, this assumption of naturalism need not extend beyond an assumption of methodology. This is what separates methodological naturalism from philosophical naturalism - the former is merely a tool and makes no truth claim; while the latter makes the philosophical - essentially atheistic - claim that only natural causes exist.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Methodological_naturalism





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    #19339605 - 12/28/13 11:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm sorry I did get switched,


I see now that the first word, "methodological" is used to discern a doctrine that only takes truth from the scientific method, from the doctrine of naturalism, which assumes to have already answered higher questions of god etc. without any true experimentation or the scientific method in doing so.

Is this correct?


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    #19339620 - 12/28/13 11:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

No, not really. Use the definition presented, it's so sound I doubt you will find a flaw in it.


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    #19339682 - 12/29/13 12:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

"Methodological naturalism is the label for the required assumption of philosophical naturalism when working with the scientific method."

Does this statement not say that methodological naturalism is practiced by philosophical naturalists??


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    #19339690 - 12/29/13 12:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

What's your point?


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    #19339761 - 12/29/13 12:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I know nothing about methodological naturalism vs philosophical naturalism and I am trying to learn not only what they are, but also why you claim to ascribe to methodological naturalism. I just want a broader perspective. I also did not know of (m)any isms that do not assume judgement.

I'm just trying to get clarity, because at first I assumed that they were to be used by the same person, two parts of one system; one being the philosophy and one was a practice, and when you dismissed my critique of the philosophy, I then assumed that you did not ascribe to the philosophy.

You say you are a methodological naturalist, but then methodological naturalism is a tool, not a philosophy. I mean I can garden, so being a gardener is within the tools that I can draw from. but that does not speak to philosophy, but you compared it to being agnostic, I assumed philosophy.


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    #19339786 - 12/29/13 12:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It means science is good for understanding science with that methodology, but doesn't answer questions that aren't empirically based. Like if you can't measure love,  a methodological naturalist wouldn't try to use science for that question at all.

Same with God, or any other subjective question, being it isn't a tangible thing.

This is opposed to using science to claim there isn't a god, or measuring love, and things like that.

It defines science the role for which it was intended, imo. It says science doesn't have the answers for everything, and shouldn't try to answer all questions.


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    #19339818 - 12/29/13 12:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Otherwise you would be using absence of evidence as evidence of absence.

It pretty much stops that from ever happening, by defining the role of science for the empirical phenomena.


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    #19339902 - 12/29/13 01:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

What is it that seperates methodological naturalism from the scientific method?


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    #19339964 - 12/29/13 01:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Good question. Ones a method and the other is a way to consider that method, and to what extent it applies.


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    #19340783 - 12/29/13 09:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Cool! I did not know about methodological naturalism but it sounds like something that is right up my alley! some things cannot be measured or quantified by our scientific instruments, so it is refreshing to know that others consider this when formulating theories about the universe, as well.

i reckon that we are now moving very gradually out of the age of empirical evidence and into the age of recognizing intangible evidence, too - after all, our many psychedelic experiences surely cannot be touched by our hands, yet they unfold all around us nevertheless, and it would be foolish to deny their existence simply on the basis that they cannot be captured in all of their nuance with a brain scan.


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