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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: teknix]
    #19339682 - 12/29/13 12:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

"Methodological naturalism is the label for the required assumption of philosophical naturalism when working with the scientific method."

Does this statement not say that methodological naturalism is practiced by philosophical naturalists??


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: Roger Wilco]
    #19339690 - 12/29/13 12:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

What's your point?


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: teknix]
    #19339761 - 12/29/13 12:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I know nothing about methodological naturalism vs philosophical naturalism and I am trying to learn not only what they are, but also why you claim to ascribe to methodological naturalism. I just want a broader perspective. I also did not know of (m)any isms that do not assume judgement.

I'm just trying to get clarity, because at first I assumed that they were to be used by the same person, two parts of one system; one being the philosophy and one was a practice, and when you dismissed my critique of the philosophy, I then assumed that you did not ascribe to the philosophy.

You say you are a methodological naturalist, but then methodological naturalism is a tool, not a philosophy. I mean I can garden, so being a gardener is within the tools that I can draw from. but that does not speak to philosophy, but you compared it to being agnostic, I assumed philosophy.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: Roger Wilco]
    #19339786 - 12/29/13 12:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It means science is good for understanding science with that methodology, but doesn't answer questions that aren't empirically based. Like if you can't measure love,  a methodological naturalist wouldn't try to use science for that question at all.

Same with God, or any other subjective question, being it isn't a tangible thing.

This is opposed to using science to claim there isn't a god, or measuring love, and things like that.

It defines science the role for which it was intended, imo. It says science doesn't have the answers for everything, and shouldn't try to answer all questions.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: teknix]
    #19339818 - 12/29/13 12:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Otherwise you would be using absence of evidence as evidence of absence.

It pretty much stops that from ever happening, by defining the role of science for the empirical phenomena.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: teknix]
    #19339902 - 12/29/13 01:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

What is it that seperates methodological naturalism from the scientific method?


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: Roger Wilco]
    #19339964 - 12/29/13 01:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Good question. Ones a method and the other is a way to consider that method, and to what extent it applies.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: teknix]
    #19340783 - 12/29/13 09:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Cool! I did not know about methodological naturalism but it sounds like something that is right up my alley! some things cannot be measured or quantified by our scientific instruments, so it is refreshing to know that others consider this when formulating theories about the universe, as well.

i reckon that we are now moving very gradually out of the age of empirical evidence and into the age of recognizing intangible evidence, too - after all, our many psychedelic experiences surely cannot be touched by our hands, yet they unfold all around us nevertheless, and it would be foolish to deny their existence simply on the basis that they cannot be captured in all of their nuance with a brain scan.


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