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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: 404]
    #19338732 - 12/28/13 08:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Roger Wilco said:
All isms are idiocies.





Like absolutism?





Precisely.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: circastes]
    #19338734 - 12/28/13 08:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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It was even brought up in a psychology lecture back in the day that blacks "for some reason, controlling for all biases" consistently score the lowest out of the races in intellectual tasks.

I just make the observation the races are completely different personalities in general. They are different in fundamental ways culture won't change.

Race isn't a traditional thing, it's not an idea of the past... it's actually true that these already obviously different looking human beings are also different in fundamental values, tastes, demeanors, personality.

The only reason institutions and culture push equality and slam race as a factor in life is because our nations want to immigrate from non-white countries to expand their economies and power. Race just isn't good economics, this is why it is shunned.

I'm not saying let's bring back Nazism or something, I'm just an observer. And I observe we're being lied to because of economics. That's all. I don't know what the consequences will be.





Sorry but I actually know a few black people and they are hardly different in values tastes or personality.  They have developed a sub culture out of necessity but humans are fundamentally the same imo.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: teknix]
    #19338736 - 12/28/13 08:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

"this means that intelligent whites say all the right things about racial equality in principle but they just don't actually do anything that would eliminate their privileges."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2389545/Intelligent-people-just-likely-racists-difference-likely-act-beliefs.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Bottom line, your white educated liberals talk a good game, but at the end of the day, they don't want anything to do with blacks, like I said, a bunch of phonies.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: Roger Wilco]
    #19338740 - 12/28/13 08:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Roger Wilco said:
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StateOfMind404 said:
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Roger Wilco said:
All isms are idiocies.





Like absolutism?





Precisely.




Lol, teh irony.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: qman]
    #19338755 - 12/28/13 08:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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"this means that intelligent whites say all the right things about racial equality in principle but they just don't actually do anything that would eliminate their privileges."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2389545/Intelligent-people-just-likely-racists-difference-likely-act-beliefs.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Bottom line, your white educated liberals talk a good game, but at the end of the day, they don't want anything to do with blacks, like I said, a bunch of phonies.




Atleast you found something, but it is by By DAILY MAIL REPORTER :lol:

Try finding a Doctor in a representative field saying it.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: qman]
    #19338760 - 12/28/13 08:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'd say that's pretty right on.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: teknix]
    #19338792 - 12/28/13 08:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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qman said:
"this means that intelligent whites say all the right things about racial equality in principle but they just don't actually do anything that would eliminate their privileges."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2389545/Intelligent-people-just-likely-racists-difference-likely-act-beliefs.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Bottom line, your white educated liberals talk a good game, but at the end of the day, they don't want anything to do with blacks, like I said, a bunch of phonies.




Atleast you found something, but it is by By DAILY MAIL REPORTER :lol:

Try finding a Doctor in a representative field saying it.





Geoffrey Wodtke is a doctoral candidate in sociology at the University of Michigan, he used data from 20,000 white respondents.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: teknix]
    #19338873 - 12/28/13 08:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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teknix said:
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Roger Wilco said:
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StateOfMind404 said:
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Roger Wilco said:
All isms are idiocies.





Like absolutism?





Precisely.




Lol, teh irony.





It's sort of ironic, almost paradoxical, but only linguistically.

Saying all isms are idiocies is true, because idiocy is reliant upon pre-judgement, and all isms are reliant upon pre-judgement. It is in the nature and meaning of the words that makes the statement true. It is only as much "absolutism" as language has afforded. The message to take away from the irony, is be cognizant of the usage (and seduction) of "isms" and try and use more tangible, accurate language. The quality of our ideas will reflect the language we use to represent our ideas. Isms over simplify.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: qman]
    #19338882 - 12/28/13 08:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

While I find that to be interesting, I'm going to have to go through the .pdf to see if it is legit.

Here is the .pdf for anyone interested:

http://www.psc.isr.umich.edu/pubs/pdf/rr13-803.pdf

If anything this could just mean that people would rather keep the rights that they have.

If I disagree with affirmative action, am I racist?


Edited by teknix (12/28/13 09:06 PM)


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: teknix]
    #19338932 - 12/28/13 09:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Some things are self evident if you live long enough and are a critical thinker.  Racism as I said was in evidence at some point with almost everyone I've ever known just a little and I've know a lot of folk.  These folk come from the whole spectrum of white culture and intelligence.

Now if you wanted to make a claim about most racism is due to a lack of intelligence you might be right. Which when I think about it is the claim you've made. :lol: I'm not really sure about it being a majority though but it's likely there are a lot more ignorant humans than intelligent ones.  Then it comes down to the degree of racism exhibited and the depth of it.  For example some people will be racist but know they like and respect some people of that race. They will also actively try and not be racist.  Others hate the whole race and have no desire to not be racist.  That second group is likely to be the low intelligence ones imo.


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Edited by Icelander (12/28/13 09:17 PM)


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: teknix]
    #19338952 - 12/28/13 09:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, I think all it is showing is that people are looking out for their personal interest first. Regardless of intellect.

Yeah, that was the claim Icelander. Racist are less intelligent.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: teknix]
    #19338962 - 12/28/13 09:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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teknix said:
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Roger Wilco said:
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StateOfMind404 said:
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Roger Wilco said:
All isms are idiocies.





Like absolutism?





Precisely.




Lol, teh irony.




Yeah i don't think my subtle point got across too well. I stand corrected.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: teknix]
    #19338975 - 12/28/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Which makes sense.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: Roger Wilco]
    #19339008 - 12/28/13 09:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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It's sort of ironic, almost paradoxical, but only linguistically.

Saying all isms are idiocies is true, because idiocy is reliant upon pre-judgement, and all isms are reliant upon pre-judgement. It is in the nature and meaning of the words that makes the statement true. It is only as much "absolutism" as language has afforded. The message to take away from the irony, is be cognizant of the usage (and seduction) of "isms" and try and use more tangible, accurate language. The quality of our ideas will reflect the language we use to represent our ideas. Isms over simplify.




At the same time, it provides a reference from which elaboration can be gained.

I can simply claim I'm an agnostic, but methodological naturalist is closer to the truth.  Which Methodological Naturalism is a fairly well defined "ism".


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: teknix]
    #19339064 - 12/28/13 09:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: Roger Wilco]
    #19339072 - 12/28/13 09:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yes.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: teknix]
    #19339207 - 12/28/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

"Philosophical naturalism is the doctrine that the observable world is all there is."

Who can define the observable world? We observe more and more constantly as technology grows, changing the landscape of what physical "nature" is. 

What if we are under the influence of a con artist? What we observe may not be true?

What about the limitations of our physical senses, and of our concepts and language? Is there not more that exists beyond comprehension due to these constraints?

Assume to make no assumption.

The plan is to check/update the plan.


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: Roger Wilco]
    #19339516 - 12/28/13 11:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You switched the words bro.

Philosophical Naturalism =/= Methodological Naturalism

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However, this assumption of naturalism need not extend beyond an assumption of methodology. This is what separates methodological naturalism from philosophical naturalism - the former is merely a tool and makes no truth claim; while the latter makes the philosophical - essentially atheistic - claim that only natural causes exist.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Methodological_naturalism





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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: teknix]
    #19339605 - 12/28/13 11:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm sorry I did get switched,


I see now that the first word, "methodological" is used to discern a doctrine that only takes truth from the scientific method, from the doctrine of naturalism, which assumes to have already answered higher questions of god etc. without any true experimentation or the scientific method in doing so.

Is this correct?


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Re: Racist have Lower IQ/intelligence on average. [Re: Roger Wilco]
    #19339620 - 12/28/13 11:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

No, not really. Use the definition presented, it's so sound I doubt you will find a flaw in it.


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