|
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
|
hmmn


Registered: 01/09/13
Posts: 372
|
Re: 'New age' criticism of psychedelic drugs / What do you think of this? [Re: Agentchewy]
#19339896 - 12/29/13 01:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Guys I think I may have blown my ojas.
|
s240779

Registered: 12/07/10
Posts: 12,880
Last seen: 2 months, 9 days
|
Re: 'New age' criticism of psychedelic drugs / What do you think of this? [Re: xoanon]
#19340049 - 12/29/13 02:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
xoanon said: I'm guessing Mr Guru forgot it states in Patanjali 's yoga sutra that certain herbs can be used to achieve higher states. Or perhaps he doesn't believe in the traditional texts of his field.
“Siddhis are born of practices performed in previous births, or by herbs, mantra repetition, asceticism, or by samadhi.” (Sutra 4.1) Essentially, for our purposes, this sutra says that via “aushadha,” or herbs/drugs/plants, yogic powers can be attained. While this is fascinating information, unfortunately the sutras say nothing more about the subject, leaving us with many possible questions.
Herbs are a large part of Indian mysticism and most of them do not produce psychedelic experiences.
http://owlsey.wordpress.com/2009/09/11/psychedelics-in-light-of-the-yoga-sutras-more-complete-version/
It is true that even such a classic scripture as Patanjali’s Yoga-Sutra lists herbs (aushadhi, herbal concoctions) as a means of attaining certain paranormal powers. But nowhere does this Sanskrit text state that higher realizations, never mind ultimate enlightenment, can be gained surreptitiously by means of consciousness-altering substances.[10] Indeed, scriptures like the Yoga-Shikha-Upanishad distinguish between artificial and nonartificial powers, emphasizing that only the latter, which arise naturally from one’s persistent spiritual practice, are truly potent, enduring, and also acceptable to the Lord (ishvara).
Lucid Waking: Mindfulness and the Spiritual Potential of Humanity. Feuerstein Georg, Ph.D. (1997), p. 6
Edited by s240779 (02/15/15 10:18 AM)
|
lessismore
Registered: 02/10/13
Posts: 6,268
|
Re: 'New age' criticism of psychedelic drugs / What do you think of this? [Re: s240779] 1
#19340393 - 12/29/13 06:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
one problem with drugs is they tend to make you addicted suddenly you cannot do your spiritual practice without them even people with much self-control get addicted
another problem is that you dont always control your mind on drugs if you meditate you control your mind 100%
would I like to control my mind most of the time, or be controlled by my thoughts instead?
I think drugs can only be a step into a spiritual practice, when evolving spiritually it is usually easy to see it is a dead-end drugs have an after effect on your thoughts that can last days/weeks/months/years
meditation can do the same, or lucid dreaming if you want to trip (better than any trip)
I wouldnt mind trading 10 LSD trips for 1 lucid dream if you can do it naturally there would be no reason to use drugs if you can get high on a walk in nature/by having houseplants/pets/playing guitar there would be little reason to use drugs everyday (weed i.e.)
drugs are often an escape even though we dont admit it escape from stress
instead of reducing the stress, it is a dead end that way
body and mind feels best without adding anything, that is my logic but without psychedelics (LSD/mushrooms) I would never have remembered my spirituality maybe
I still like to trip rarely for fun, it gets more and more rare with time automatically it seems but I quit weed, it wasnt my thing psychedelics have helped me make change after the trips, so I do what I dont regret, I dont regret doing them :-) , they have been very helpful, never any regrets afterwards
Edited by lessismore (12/29/13 06:21 AM)
|
Icyus
KavitārkikasiṃHa



Registered: 11/07/13
Posts: 3,502
Loc: Inbetween.
Last seen: 8 years, 27 days
|
Re: 'New age' criticism of psychedelic drugs / What do you think of this? [Re: lessismore]
#19340400 - 12/29/13 06:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
It is the newworld order and illuminati.. they do not want people to think... so they make people steer away fro psycadellica..
Honestly.. once in a while I think them nessesery.. had we not been poisoned with flouride and the like.. we could have meditated .. we still can, but Without psycadellica.. one often gets a bit off track...
-------------------- And thus begins the reverse-fusing of our one-dimentional understanding, and adds ever-expanding perspectives, in depth and number; splitting our perception, and in so doing, seemingly irrationally, creates yet more one-ness, with all that ever was, is and will ever be, streching across the infinite, inunderstood concept of everything, percievable and not.
|
s240779

Registered: 12/07/10
Posts: 12,880
Last seen: 2 months, 9 days
|
Re: 'New age' criticism of psychedelic drugs / What do you think of this? *DELETED* [Re: lessismore]
#19340448 - 12/29/13 06:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Post deleted by Da2raReason for deletion: irrelevant
Edited by s240779 (12/29/13 06:49 AM)
|
redgreenvines
irregular verb


Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 37,534
|
Re: 'New age' criticism of psychedelic drugs / What do you think of this? [Re: s240779]
#19340632 - 12/29/13 08:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
oh well, there is a modicum of harm reduction but too much carney:
Quote:
Since 1976, when the author and Dr. Lee Sanella started the first Kundalini Crisis Clinic in the world, the author has been working to understand the mystery of how Kundalini works.
that's terrific: start kundalini clinic before you understand how it works.
the blind leading the blind here - probably hoping that ancient terms and mantras will keep them safe.
--------------------
_ 🧠 _
|
lessismore
Registered: 02/10/13
Posts: 6,268
|
Re: 'New age' criticism of psychedelic drugs / What do you think of this? [Re: s240779]
#19340691 - 12/29/13 08:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
that is why I never meditated on LSD really
I just observed nature, it is still as magical without LSD as with LSD
sometimes rarely I like to trip to trip, but seems that doesnt work anymore either nothing happens
I never close my eyes on LSD trips, it is too intense/unpleasant
observing in nature and closing eyes in nature, that is nice :-) best feeling ever
|
Aopocetx
Writer



Registered: 03/20/06
Posts: 2,421
Last seen: 4 years, 1 month
|
Re: 'New age' criticism of psychedelic drugs / What do you think of this? [Re: lessismore]
#19340880 - 12/29/13 10:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
He talks about neurotoxicity on like a metaphysical level which is bullshit. There's only the physical when it comes to neurotransmitters.
|
Icyus
KavitārkikasiṃHa



Registered: 11/07/13
Posts: 3,502
Loc: Inbetween.
Last seen: 8 years, 27 days
|
Re: 'New age' criticism of psychedelic drugs / What do you think of this? [Re: Aopocetx]
#19340902 - 12/29/13 10:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
The psycadellica will kill you... but what the fuck is wrong with that?
-------------------- And thus begins the reverse-fusing of our one-dimentional understanding, and adds ever-expanding perspectives, in depth and number; splitting our perception, and in so doing, seemingly irrationally, creates yet more one-ness, with all that ever was, is and will ever be, streching across the infinite, inunderstood concept of everything, percievable and not.
|
hmmn


Registered: 01/09/13
Posts: 372
|
Re: 'New age' criticism of psychedelic drugs / What do you think of this? [Re: lessismore]
#19341090 - 12/29/13 11:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
mio said: one problem with drugs is they tend to make you addicted suddenly you cannot do your spiritual practice without them even people with much self-control get addicted
another problem is that you dont always control your mind on drugs if you meditate you control your mind 100%
would I like to control my mind most of the time, or be controlled by my thoughts instead?
I think drugs can only be a step into a spiritual practice, when evolving spiritually it is usually easy to see it is a dead-end drugs have an after effect on your thoughts that can last days/weeks/months/years
meditation can do the same, or lucid dreaming if you want to trip (better than any trip)
I wouldnt mind trading 10 LSD trips for 1 lucid dream if you can do it naturally there would be no reason to use drugs if you can get high on a walk in nature/by having houseplants/pets/playing guitar there would be little reason to use drugs everyday (weed i.e.)
drugs are often an escape even though we dont admit it escape from stress
instead of reducing the stress, it is a dead end that way
body and mind feels best without adding anything, that is my logic but without psychedelics (LSD/mushrooms) I would never have remembered my spirituality maybe
I still like to trip rarely for fun, it gets more and more rare with time automatically it seems but I quit weed, it wasnt my thing psychedelics have helped me make change after the trips, so I do what I dont regret, I dont regret doing them :-) , they have been very helpful, never any regrets afterwards
Hmmm...I disagree that meditation gives you 100% control over the mind. It hasn't done that for anybody I've met. I've yet to meet a spiritual teacher who thought that mind control was the purpose of meditation, either. My impression of Buddhist meditation is that it increases the availability of awareness and reduces the sheer volume of activity in the mind. This allows more influence over the mind, but nothing like 100% control.
I also disagree with the notion that psychedelic drugs can only be a stepping stone onto the path; that their continued, regular use for the purpose of spirituality is a mistake. When I talk about psychedelics, I'm talking about LSD, psilocin, mescaline, and so on; not marijuana or dissociatives.
I see psychedelic drugs as an integral part of my Buddhist practice. I use them between zero and a dozen times a year, depending on what's going on. I find that using psychedelics accelerates the rate at which my negative karma dissolves by catalyzing experiences of my own karma that I would not otherwise have. Purifying one's karma is very important in many spiritual paths. I also find that psychedelics give me helpful reminders of the purpose of Buddhist practice and the correct way to use it, by offering an utterly transient glimpse into true perception of reality.
|
Eclipse3130
Servant of the Fungi



Registered: 10/06/13
Posts: 6,220
Loc: PNW
Last seen: 9 hours, 31 minutes
|
Re: 'New age' criticism of psychedelic drugs / What do you think of this? [Re: hmmn]
#19341112 - 12/29/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
^ The truth is within.
|
occollegeboi
MushroomSpaceGod



Registered: 04/10/11
Posts: 2,857
Last seen: 5 years, 4 months
|
Re: 'New age' criticism of psychedelic drugs / What do you think of this? [Re: Eclipse3130]
#19341439 - 12/29/13 01:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
I didn't even read the entire op, but all I have to say is that the brainwaves of people on psychedelics are exactly the same as the brainwaves seen by tibetan monks who meditate all day.
So I call bullshit on this article.
A lot of the words used in this article (ojas, tejas, etc) are, I'm assuming, indian words, from india. When you consider that drug possession over there is punishable by WAY WAY WORSE consequences than here in america, of course they're not going to have strong positive opinions on drugs.
|
Psilosopherr
A psilly goose



Registered: 02/15/12
Posts: 12,278
Last seen: 1 month, 10 days
|
Re: 'New age' criticism of psychedelic drugs / What do you think of this? [Re: occollegeboi]
#19341488 - 12/29/13 01:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
occollegeboi said: I didn't even read the entire op, but all I have to say is that the brainwaves of people on psychedelics are exactly the same as the brainwaves seen by tibetan monks who meditate all day.
So I call bullshit on this article. A lot of the words used in this article (ojas, tejas, etc) are, I'm assuming, indian words, from india. When you consider that drug possession over there is punishable by WAY WAY WORSE consequences than here in america, of course they're not going to have strong positive opinions on drugs.
veryy good points!
In china, my friend told me when he was there he was told that people get executed over drug charges
|
s240779

Registered: 12/07/10
Posts: 12,880
Last seen: 2 months, 9 days
|
Re: 'New age' criticism of psychedelic drugs / What do you think of this? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#19341501 - 12/29/13 01:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
What? That's not a good point at all. Gabriel Cousens lives in Arizona for fucks sake. One of the most liberal states in the U.S. Indian mysticism doesn't have much to do with Indian politics.
|
Psilosopherr
A psilly goose



Registered: 02/15/12
Posts: 12,278
Last seen: 1 month, 10 days
|
Re: 'New age' criticism of psychedelic drugs / What do you think of this? [Re: s240779]
#19341510 - 12/29/13 01:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Da2ra said: What? That's not a good point at all. Gabriel Cousens lives in Arizona for fucks sake. One of the most liberal states in the U.S. Indian mysticism doesn't have much to do with Indian politics.
mostly the identical brainwaves deal
|
Icyus
KavitārkikasiṃHa



Registered: 11/07/13
Posts: 3,502
Loc: Inbetween.
Last seen: 8 years, 27 days
|
Re: 'New age' criticism of psychedelic drugs / What do you think of this? [Re: s240779]
#19341512 - 12/29/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
The I will die, a martyr, right?
-------------------- And thus begins the reverse-fusing of our one-dimentional understanding, and adds ever-expanding perspectives, in depth and number; splitting our perception, and in so doing, seemingly irrationally, creates yet more one-ness, with all that ever was, is and will ever be, streching across the infinite, inunderstood concept of everything, percievable and not.
|
s240779

Registered: 12/07/10
Posts: 12,880
Last seen: 2 months, 9 days
|
Re: 'New age' criticism of psychedelic drugs / What do you think of this? *DELETED* [Re: s240779]
#19341573 - 12/29/13 01:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Post deleted by Da2raReason for deletion: derailing my own thread
|
Psilosopherr
A psilly goose



Registered: 02/15/12
Posts: 12,278
Last seen: 1 month, 10 days
|
Re: 'New age' criticism of psychedelic drugs / What do you think of this? [Re: s240779]
#19341591 - 12/29/13 01:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
I really should try some more micro dosing experiments..
|
Aopocetx
Writer



Registered: 03/20/06
Posts: 2,421
Last seen: 4 years, 1 month
|
Re: 'New age' criticism of psychedelic drugs / What do you think of this? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#19341604 - 12/29/13 01:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Small doses always piss me off. I'm not quite sober where I could do regular things but at the same time I'm not high enough to get anything out of the experience. But that's just me I suppose.
|
Psilosopherr
A psilly goose



Registered: 02/15/12
Posts: 12,278
Last seen: 1 month, 10 days
|
Re: 'New age' criticism of psychedelic drugs / What do you think of this? [Re: Aopocetx]
#19341609 - 12/29/13 01:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
last time I micro dosed, it affected me enough that I started to get really stressed out over small things. Made me really uncomfortable (mainly due to my father saying hurtful things though)
Showed me that it does have effect, at least with me.
|
|