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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #21023103 - 12/24/14 10:02 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Hmmm. If that's botcinic acid, I need an explanation of the major atomic differenes seen in the structure of botcinic acid compared to the one Blind fool posted.


Maybe there's something I'm not grasping yet.


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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: The Lightning]
    #21023240 - 12/24/14 10:44 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

lol, no, you just didn't grasp that i was grasping (at a guess.)  thats where my research left off the other night, some derivatives of the above, hence the question mark. i just dint have time to dig further, the rest was if i happened to be right or someone else got it.
so until B.F. says so, this is not finished, you are correct.  it DOES start with a b and have an a tho :wink:


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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #21023553 - 12/25/14 12:42 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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botcinic acid?

this was pretty interesting to read about regarding winemaking.  great first post Blind fool.  My grandfather was an apprentice vintner before he bailed on the old country and came here so it had an extra something or other to learn about this one.  and this summer I finally got some grapes from the vines i planted a few years back, but i wont be making wine with them unfortunately lol
Blind fool if you have any other interesting tidbits that wiki doesn't please let us in on them.

i still don't have anything to submit for your perusal.
we still have the (unsaturated fatty acid derivative?) to work on too?
and that other thing...
or we'll let The Lightning pull out something else maybe, i imagine you still have some good ones on deck?  or you Fool, or Joust. Don't be shy, you lurkers!

merry christmas ya'll.  may santa fill your stockings with whatever floats your boat.




No it is not an acid, since it cannot donate hydrogen ion (H+), but you are very close with the name.
The Botcinic acid looks like this:

It is acid since it will donate H+.

I will write some more info about Botrytis cinerea later on. You are right, this mold is really interesting since it can do both good and bad totally depending on the conditions.


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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #21023561 - 12/25/14 12:49 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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lol, no, you just didn't grasp that i was grasping (at a guess.)  thats where my research left off the other night, some derivatives of the above, hence the question mark. i just dint have time to dig further, the rest was if i happened to be right or someone else got it.
so until B.F. says so, this is not finished, you are correct.  it DOES start with a b and have an a tho :wink:




I wrote “The chemical starts on B and ends with separate letter A”. That is the name is Bot…. A, it ends with single letter.

Botcinic acid ends with letter d.:stoned:


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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: ellomello]
    #21023622 - 12/25/14 01:23 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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ellomello said:
i hope iam not interrupting, but i found this really interesting one!
Also occures in sea urchin eggs :ooo:
Just wanted to watch this thread. (this one should be easy to find)





"Italian scientists may have hit on the answer. It turns out the black truffle (Tuber melanosporum)
contains a “bliss molecule” similar to the substance that gives cannabis its psychoactive properties."




Anandamide?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anandamide


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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! [Re: Ped]
    #21023629 - 12/25/14 01:30 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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Ped said:
Edit:  Wait a minute, this is not a fungi or mushroom chemical.  I misread the name thread, I thought it was a "guess the mushroom/fungi OR chemical" thread.  Oops! My bad!  This one is an old pharmaceutical (pharmacy is my background).  I'll leave it here just for kicks, but I'll play by the rules from here forward I promise.  Sowwie!




Hint: This one should be a real pain in the arse.  You get six hundred and six guesses.





Arsphenamine-pentamer?
http://www.ebi.ac.uk/chebi/chebiOntology.do?treeView=true&chebiId=CHEBI:50951

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsphenamine


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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: Blind fool]
    #21023958 - 12/25/14 07:59 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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Blind fool said:
Quote:

ellomello said:
i hope iam not interrupting, but i found this really interesting one!
Also occures in sea urchin eggs :ooo:
Just wanted to watch this thread. (this one should be easy to find)





"Italian scientists may have hit on the answer. It turns out the black truffle (Tuber melanosporum)
contains a “bliss molecule” similar to the substance that gives cannabis its psychoactive properties."




Anandamide?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anandamide



:discorex:
That is correct!


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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: Blind fool]
    #21024534 - 12/25/14 12:04 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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lol, no, you just didn't grasp that i was grasping (at a guess.)  thats where my research left off the other night, some derivatives of the above, hence the question mark. i just dint have time to dig further, the rest was if i happened to be right or someone else got it.
so until B.F. says so, this is not finished, you are correct.  it DOES start with a b and have an a tho :wink:




I wrote “The chemical starts on B and ends with separate letter A”. That is the name is Bot…. A, it ends with single letter.

Botcinic acid ends with letter d.:stoned:





lol ya ya ya, but i was close, and it was late, and i was lazy and very tired, and maybe a little jolly.  ALL good excuses in MY book of good excuses.  maybe you guys don't have that volume.  gawd.  makes me want to self-flaggelate after ya'all get off the 'tackle' pile. 

off topic, what DOES one call that these days (if anyone still plays backyard football) what we called it is def. no longer socially acceptable.
-edit: thinking that through properly, it never actually was socially acceptable, but we just did it without much thought about it so it seemed more ok


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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #21025309 - 12/25/14 04:09 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

As long the excuses work for you I am fine with it. You still need to guess the correct name.:tongue:

How is everyone’s Christmas? I am officially drunk. Bottle of rum, ten years old Madeira and vintage port from 1988 did it for me. I shared with a friend otherwise I would get alcohol poisoning.:smirk:


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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: Blind fool]
    #21026076 - 12/25/14 09:17 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

how about botcinin A

i'm having trouble finding a link that shows me a pic of it however, i *am* a wee bit impaired now too maybe.


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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #21026121 - 12/25/14 09:30 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

here ya go, pretty sure my blurry eyes are seeing this properly, so since i did just run across something i'll post and let TL have the holiday off.

https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/bbb/71/10/71_70334/_pdf

(and dont forget to tell us more about this one, plz)

here's a compound from a fruiting body of a fungus with no gills that has biological activity similar to compounds produced in our own mast cells.  i like the symmetry too!



try II





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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #21027120 - 12/26/14 07:56 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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how about botcinin A

i'm having trouble finding a link that shows me a pic of it however, i *am* a wee bit impaired now too maybe.




Yes that is it.:thumbup:

http://new-antibiotics.ru/2-novyx-proizvodnyx-botcinina-poluchennyx-iz-morskogo-griba-botryotinia-sp-sf-5275/

http://pubs.rsc.org/services/images/RSCpubs.ePlatform.Service.FreeContent.ImageService.svc/ImageService/Articleimage/2014/NP/c4np00060a/c4np00060a-u17_hi-res.gif

EDIT: I found that the article I looked at is not accessible outside the university. So next time I am at work I will download the article and put it here.


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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #21027128 - 12/26/14 08:11 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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here ya go, pretty sure my blurry eyes are seeing this properly, so since i did just run across something i'll post and let TL have the holiday off.

https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/bbb/71/10/71_70334/_pdf

(and dont forget to tell us more about this one, plz)

here's a compound from a fruiting body of a fungus with no gills that has biological activity similar to compounds produced in our own mast cells.  i like the symmetry too!



try II








Atromentin?
http://chem.sis.nlm.nih.gov/chemidplus/rn/519-67-5

EDIT:
http://www.answers.com/topic/atromentin

Thus the compound is extracted from Omphalotus subilludens and Hydnellum peckii.
http://www.answers.com/topic/omphalotus-subilludens
http://www.answers.com/topic/hydnellum-peckii

EDIT2:
Looks like it is as well in Agaricomycetes(amanitas)?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atromentin


Your link do not work.


Edited by Blind fool (12/26/14 11:05 AM)


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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: Blind fool]
    #21030060 - 12/26/14 10:09 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

got it in one.  good job.

ya, i found it interesting that it has anticoagulant properties like heparin.  then i was reading about heparin and they find it in lobsters and whatnot that don't even have blood that coagulates the same as ours so its apparently making them take a new look at the role it plays in us.  groovy, n'est-ce-pas?  not sure that is totally related to the molecule but then what's a mushroom doing with anticoagulants.

you're up BF


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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #21031047 - 12/27/14 08:29 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)
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how about botcinin A

i'm having trouble finding a link that shows me a pic of it however, i *am* a wee bit impaired now too maybe.




Here is the article I could view from university that I used to choose the compound from.


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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #21031051 - 12/27/14 08:33 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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got it in one.  good job.

ya, i found it interesting that it has anticoagulant properties like heparin.  then i was reading about heparin and they find it in lobsters and whatnot that don't even have blood that coagulates the same as ours so its apparently making them take a new look at the role it plays in us.  groovy, n'est-ce-pas?  not sure that is totally related to the molecule but then what's a mushroom doing with anticoagulants.

you're up BF




Ok, here comes somewhat easy one, and we are still in the wine domain. What is the name of this black mold? Unfortunately I have no chemical compound to go with it, but you can instead describe what this mold lives off. I promise you it is very interesting. 



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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: Blind fool]
    #21032572 - 12/27/14 05:20 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

could it be Zasmidium cellare/cladosporium cellare living off the organic volatiles (angel's share) in the cellar?  possibly improving the air quality?

http://genome.jgi-psf.org/Zasce1/Zasce1.home.html


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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #21032611 - 12/27/14 05:29 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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could it be Zasmidium cellare/cladosporium cellare living off the organic volatiles (angel's share) in the cellar?  possibly improving the air quality?

http://genome.jgi-psf.org/Zasce1/Zasce1.home.html




Yes, that is correct my friend.:thumbup: I probably made it too easy? Fungus living of the vine/alcohol fumes.:cool:

I only knew it under the name cladosporium cellare. Pretty interesting is it not?


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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: Blind fool]
    #21034250 - 12/28/14 06:20 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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Blind fool said:Pretty interesting is it not?





Definitely. I'm glad you posted it.


Alright. So I'm going to jump in here and try to shift our gears a bit. In an effort to not only expand our knowledge, but to also potentially learn chemistry, how about we focus the next 7 days on Covalent Bonding and Shapes of Molecules (it's Chapter 01 of Introduction to Organic Chemistry)?





You don't have to add a long lecture, but here's the aim: Every chemical guess should include at least one statement about the covalent bonds or shape of the molecule you take a guess at. Deal?


RuralAnomaly is up next. Hit us with something good for this category.


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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: The Lightning]
    #21035016 - 12/28/14 11:22 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

huh??? me???

why ME??

lol normally i'd be up for the challenge but the weather was atypically GOOD for a change around here for the last week so i was outside doing stuff that ought to have been done back in Nov when it got bitter cold and i opted out. Now i have a to-do list back inside the length of my arm.  i stayed home with critters while the rest of the fam went to visit other fam so i still have a couple late presents to wrap too and general tidying up that usually isn't quite as neglected.  i really need to run the vac! hehe

sooo, i'm going to toss this back in yur lap, The Lightning, so maybe you can get us going on this journey with an example of how you'd like to see the rest of the week go?  I'd appreciate it for the next couple days if i didn't have this on my plate, but think its a great idea.
i did run across a compound i was going to post, but haven't given a bit of thought to it with respect to this emphasis.  i'll hang on to it and filter it through that optic to formulate my questions/hints, but if thats the case, i'm not ready!


maybe at the end of this adventure we could discuss some of the aspects that no doubt have been more explored since i got my ancient parchment, like how the shapes work to allow/disallow other reactions to proceed and affect rates of reaction (like enzymes/receptors etc?) -just a thought.  you guys/gals might know a lot more about that than i do.  i find that aspect interesting but probably would involve talking about chirality some though too.  another can of worms.


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