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The Lightning
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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: Blind fool]
#21000255 - 12/19/14 07:17 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Blind fool said: Fun thread, but am new to it. So is allowed to use google and other tools?
Since I think I might found name to both, but needed some help from google and Chemsketch.
You are allowed to use all online tools available to you in whatever way you see fit.
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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: The Lightning]
#21000325 - 12/19/14 07:34 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: Blind fool]
#21000650 - 12/19/14 08:47 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Blind fool said: Then I presume the chemical is: http://www.chemspider.com/Chemical-Structure.24823881.html?rid=dd1c6b56-1598-45d4-a8f9-cbb1ef4513bc
And the fungus is: Aspergillus fumigatus? http://fungi.myspecies.info/taxonomy/term/4987/media
The species of fungus is accurate, but there is a small change in structure to the chemical.
The following is all identical (taken from your link) between the link and the actual chemical:
Molecular Formula: C13H14N2O4S2 Average mass: 326.391 Da Monoisotopic mass: 326.039490 Da
Hint: This chemical starts with a "G" and has the word "toxin" in it.
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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: The Lightning]
#21000735 - 12/19/14 09:02 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Can you specify the change in the structure? To me they look identical. In your example the hydrogen on the “cyclohexane” is drawn pointing away from us while letting nitrogen be unspecified. While the structure in my link the nitrogen atom is instead drawn as it is pointing toward us and the hydrogen is thus removed. Or have it something to do with how the sulfur is drawn?
EDIT:Gliotoxin http://www.chemspider.com/Chemical-Structure.5988.html?rid=39e3205c-9b43-4317-a8d9-9fe398eae758 I took an extra peek on how you draw the molecule and changed my drawing and searched again. It was the way how I draw the sulfur atoms that gave me the wrong answer the first time.
Edited by Blind fool (12/19/14 09:08 PM)
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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: Blind fool]
#21000789 - 12/19/14 09:16 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice! You're up!
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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: The Lightning]
#21000796 - 12/19/14 09:18 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Lightning said: Nice! You're up!
So now I have to find a structure and a fungus that produce it right?
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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: Blind fool]
#21000805 - 12/19/14 09:21 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Blind fool said:
So now I have to find a structure and a fungus that produce it right?
Yup - exactly. I also try to give a hint so people don't get too frustrated and still learn something.
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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: The Lightning]
#21001179 - 12/19/14 10:56 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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So here I go. The fungus can either do well and improve things (enhances the flavor) or it can harm the plants. This particular molecule is doing harm. The name might be hard to get, and I presume it is easier to first identify the name of the mold.
Good luck.

Edited by Blind fool (12/19/14 11:09 PM)
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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: Blind fool]
#21004394 - 12/20/14 06:14 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hopefully, I'm on the right track. Is the mold Sclerotinia sclerotiorum?
http://www.forestryimages.org/browse/detail.cfm?imgnum=5361397
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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: The Lightning]
#21006482 - 12/21/14 06:57 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Lightning said: Hopefully, I'm on the right track. Is the mold Sclerotinia sclerotiorum?
http://www.forestryimages.org/browse/detail.cfm?imgnum=5361397
Google tells me that your find is closely related with what I chose as the unknown.
As I pointed out, it mostly does harm the plant/its fruits, but it can in a certain conditions do good to enhance flavor. I am aware of only one case and that is the fungus is encouraged to grow on the fruits of a plant from which then is produced special type of drink with for many considered as enhanced taste in comparison to drink produced of fruits where the fungus did not grow.
Hopefully I did not reveled too much.
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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: Blind fool]
#21009730 - 12/21/14 09:06 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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no fear! thats a great hint. i was going for Ustilago maydis (corn smut) juices but not finding much, think i'll change tack now lol
google does kick ass. i'd loathe to contemplate life without it now.
Happy solstice all!
the stuff The Lightning guessed is on my damn beans every year!
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Edited by RuralAnomaly (12/21/14 09:08 PM)
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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: RuralAnomaly]
#21010017 - 12/21/14 10:12 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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well, this is damn interesting!
who knew! 'parently those dang frenchies!
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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: RuralAnomaly]
#21010186 - 12/21/14 10:53 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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No idea if French are into that but Hungarians are for sure. Your previous guess is not correct. I am unsure if it is related but when googled it looks like the research done on Ustilago maydis also often include research on the "unknown" fungus. So looks like you are not that far off anyway.
I will give more clues if there is no success within the next two guesses.
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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: Blind fool]
#21010226 - 12/21/14 11:01 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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i did find it, i'm just holding off - don't have anything to contribute -found your petri dish too, and i'm pretty close to getting the chemical narrowed down but petering out tired.
had tons o' fun looking and learned a bunch of shit along the way as usual in this thread. i won't say anything else about it so others can experience the joy of googling -and finding it lol
found a great link on ascomycetes if anyone else is interested, chap. 4 specifically is what i gave a good scan and plan to revisit a few times.
http://www.mycolog.com/
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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: RuralAnomaly]
#21010283 - 12/21/14 11:17 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Good for you, hopefully you get the compound as well. Will be interesting to see what you dig out.
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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: Blind fool]
#21013647 - 12/22/14 06:45 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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i hope iam not interrupting, but i found this really interesting one! Also occures in sea urchin eggs  Just wanted to watch this thread. (this one should be easy to find)


"Italian scientists may have hit on the answer. It turns out the black truffle (Tuber melanosporum) contains a “bliss molecule” similar to the substance that gives cannabis its psychoactive properties."
Edited by ellomello (12/22/14 06:51 PM)
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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! [Re: The Lightning]
#21014412 - 12/22/14 09:42 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Edit: Wait a minute, this is not a fungi or mushroom chemical. I misread the name thread, I thought it was a "guess the mushroom/fungi OR chemical" thread. Oops! My bad! This one is an old pharmaceutical (pharmacy is my background). I'll leave it here just for kicks, but I'll play by the rules from here forward I promise. Sowwie!

Hint: This one should be a real pain in the arse. You get six hundred and six guesses.
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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: Blind fool]
#21019430 - 12/23/14 10:34 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Blind fool said: So here I go. The fungus can either do well and improve things (enhances the flavor) or it can harm the plants. This particular molecule is doing harm. The name might be hard to get, and I presume it is easier to first identify the name of the mold.
Good luck.


Finally solved half of the first of these.
Mold = Botrytis cinerea
Molecule = I need another hint.
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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: The Lightning]
#21020478 - 12/24/14 08:55 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Lightning said: Finally solved half of the first of these.
Mold = Botrytis cinerea
Molecule = I need another hint.
Yes, the mold is correct. For the chemical, the easiest is to google “Botrytis cinerea toxins” choosing images and start looking. Might that the molecule might be drawn slightly differently. The chemical starts on B and ends with separate letter A.
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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: Blind fool]
#21022785 - 12/24/14 08:48 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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botcinic acid?
this was pretty interesting to read about regarding winemaking. great first post Blind fool. My grandfather was an apprentice vintner before he bailed on the old country and came here so it had an extra something or other to learn about this one. and this summer I finally got some grapes from the vines i planted a few years back, but i wont be making wine with them unfortunately lol Blind fool if you have any other interesting tidbits that wiki doesn't please let us in on them.
i still don't have anything to submit for your perusal. we still have the (unsaturated fatty acid derivative?) to work on too? and that other thing... or we'll let The Lightning pull out something else maybe, i imagine you still have some good ones on deck? or you Fool, or Joust. Don't be shy, you lurkers!
merry christmas ya'll. may santa fill your stockings with whatever floats your boat.
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