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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #20972732 - 12/13/14 07:46 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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looks like a modified sterol backbone but so far, i'm hittin a google wall...





Hint: This chemical has antibiotic effects.


Also, and maybe more importantly, it's found in other fungi: Penicillium funiculosum and at least one other species. (N17B)


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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: The Lightning]
    #20972793 - 12/13/14 08:02 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

oo that did it.  i don't have one on deck though so i'll hold off


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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #20972953 - 12/13/14 08:45 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

this one is Wortmannin which i found interesting to learn about too... its used as a reagent in DNA analysis?  in vivo analysis???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wortmannin

anyway, pretty cool.  the hints gave it away.


here's one:



hint: this metabolite is formed by the anamorph of a fungus we see a fair amount of pictures of in the hunting forum, sprouting out of... stuff


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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #20972972 - 12/13/14 08:50 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

ok, that gif sucks

try this:



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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #20973020 - 12/13/14 09:00 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: The Lightning]
    #20973113 - 12/13/14 09:17 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

and oh hey! T.L.!! congrats on the T.I. thingy, i keep forgetting to say so.  well deserved!! or just desserts!! -if thats the kind of punishment you like that is... seems like you and the good doctor are a bit masochistic, but thats just me.  work avoidance is my forte.


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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #20973278 - 12/13/14 10:13 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah = Yeah. Doctorghosty and I are good.


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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: The Lightning]
    #20973445 - 12/13/14 11:23 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

you are.  and that's damn good for us.


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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #20974825 - 12/14/14 10:54 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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hint: this metabolite is formed by the anamorph of a fungus we see a fair amount of pictures of in the hunting forum, sprouting out of... stuff






Can we see a photo of the fungus?


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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: The Lightning]
    #20975976 - 12/14/14 03:48 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

sure!  IMO this one has some amazing economic implications.



edit: i read a bit closer and found i mis-spoke, the telemorph has only been collected in eastern asia - but we have the anamorph here from what i understand, and others of the same genus fruiting in pictures.


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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #20975995 - 12/14/14 03:58 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Cool! Is that a locust cordyceps?


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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #20976024 - 12/14/14 04:07 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

ya, if 'grasshoppers' are locusts (they are, aren't they?) - least thats how the pic is labeled.

you're on the trail  Cordyceps        is the telemorph         


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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #20976031 - 12/14/14 04:10 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

What kind of economic implications? (Cool photograph btw!)


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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: The Lightning]
    #20976063 - 12/14/14 04:20 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

sure, it may give the hints you need to keep it interesting.  there are 'strains' shown to be host-specific or at least prefered (my understanding) and corn treated with spores of this fungus showed a marked reduction in a pest w/o application of chemical insecticides (as i remember it).

sorry about all the disclaimers, its not like i actually study this shit, so its from reading unknowable sources.

there are also investigations into other species of insects... many pests to humans i think, but not sure if its actually in the marketplace yet or passed whatever regs need to be passed.

oh, and i think its been shown 100% effective against bedbugs.
edit edit
ah, and i found some you can buy, so it is out there.  hmm useful for indoor thrip control.  nice.  can't think of any burgeoning indoor growing industries that might need organic pest control though.


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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #20980598 - 12/15/14 04:36 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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ok, that gif sucks

try this:






The fungus is Beauvaria bassiana, anamorph of Cordyceps bassianus, and the chemical is tenellin.  Tenellin was originally suspected to play a role in the fungus's ability to invade insects, but that now seems to not be the case [source].  You can actually buy jugs of liquid culture of certain strains of B. bassiana for use as insecticide.

Someone else can post a chemical


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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: raceme]
    #20982175 - 12/15/14 09:35 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

indeed it is.  i thought the fungus is cool, i just felt this metabolite had been associated fairly well with it in the literature.  i don't have one handy either.

while googling, i did run across a guy's blog where he was 'using it off-label' and spraying botanigard around  his house, apparently having been dealing with a severe infestation of bedbugs.  i was sorta amazed at all the people jumping his shit for doing that, to the extent that one guy was threatening to call the FBI n shit.  on a blog.  does make you wonder why pple are so fucking crazy.

  i just did a fast scan to get to the guy's 'results' and he claimed to have rid himself in a few weeks, when no amount of chemical pesticides did, w/o the side effects of said agents.

true? hard to say, but if i had bedbugs, i'd be sprayin' that shit everywhere to find out too.


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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #20982228 - 12/15/14 09:48 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Im working my way up, got the b- in chem which is aparently a good grade in this chem so soon ill be able to join this thread! i like to read though so post on.


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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: Joust]
    #20982653 - 12/15/14 11:48 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

dude, jump in anytime!  if you're reading about a cool fungus and happen to note that it has a metabolite of interest for some reason however narrow, that has been identified, post away!  thats all i'm doin, yanno.

when i read something i find interesting, i do a few minutes of research and then if its actually findable i'll post it and hope someone else thinks tis too.

we're all learning together.  just like recognizing shrooms, its all about practice and active engagement.  bring anything you like.  luckily you won't have to scroll far for the list of stuff already posted lol


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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #20994137 - 12/18/14 01:23 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Okay. Here's a new one:


Try to name both the chemical and the species of fungus growing on malt extract agar.








This chemical may have antiviral potential. It seems to be very reactive in a number of different ways.


Hint: This chemical was studied as an antibiotic and antifungal in the 40s - and recently as an antiviral agent.


If this guess turned out really easy for you, please add a tip about this chemical's structure.


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Re: Guess The Fungi/Mushroom Chemical ! (moved) [Re: The Lightning]
    #21000222 - 12/19/14 07:08 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Fun thread, but am new to it. So is allowed to use google and other tools?

Since I think I might found name to both, but needed some help from google and Chemsketch.:smirk:


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