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Stopwhispering
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Re: Guess That Fungi/Mushroom Chemical!! [Re: TheMaster]
#19406932 - 01/12/14 05:04 AM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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Stopwhispering
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Re: Guess That Fungi/Mushroom Chemical!! [Re: Stopwhispering]
#19406943 - 01/12/14 05:12 AM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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I should mention the fungus is Aspergillus flavus
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Re: Guess That Fungi/Mushroom Chemical!! [Re: Stopwhispering]
#19407294 - 01/12/14 08:09 AM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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Not sure if this one has been posted. Maybe Lightning could start updating the OP with a list?
Hint: amino acid
Bonus points for an interesting fact about this compound.
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Re: Guess That Fungi/Mushroom Chemical!! [Re: TheMaster]
#19407354 - 01/12/14 08:35 AM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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Maybe Lightning could start updating the OP with a list?
Chemicals we have begun to explore:
Psilocybin (Psilocybine) Nor-Baeocystin (Nor-Baeocystine) Betulinic Acid Sotolon Cycloprop-2-ene Carboxylic Acid Aflatoxin B1 Flammutoxin 6-chloro-4-phenyl-2H-chromen-2-one Xylarone Carbon CO2 Orellanine Antamanide Ibotenic Acid Pleuran Coprine Tryptamine Seratonin Grifolin D-Glucose (Dextrose) Lampterol (Illudin-S) Chitinases Cordycepin Fumaric Acid Tryptophan Ergotamine Variegatic Acid Atromentin T2 Gyromitrin Plectasin Aeruginascin Ganoderic Acid A Lignin Acromelic Acid A Chitin H2O Palmitic Acid (Hexadecanoic Acid)
There are hundreds if not thousands of chemicals we have not yet explored! Please don't delete your images from previous posts!
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Re: Guess That Fungi/Mushroom Chemical!! [Re: TheMaster]
#19407700 - 01/12/14 10:23 AM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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I'll take a hint. Is it found in only 1 species or multiple species of fungi? Which order of fungi?
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Re: Guess That Fungi/Mushroom Chemical!! [Re: TheMaster]
#19408146 - 01/12/14 12:26 PM (10 years, 18 days ago) |
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Does anyone have a quick online resource to view all 500+ amino acid skeletal structures?
Does anyone have a similar resource to view all amino acids found in the Kingdom Fungi?
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Re: Guess That Fungi/Mushroom Chemical!! [Re: The Lightning]
#19408197 - 01/12/14 12:41 PM (10 years, 18 days ago) |
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The Lightning said: Does anyone have a quick online resource to view all 500+ amino acid skeletal structures?
Does anyone have a similar resource to view all amino acids found in the Kingdom Fungi?
no, but these two have been helpful in a more general sense
nomenclature of fused and bridged fused ring systems - IUPAC
http://www.iupac.org/publications/pac/1998/pdf/7001x0143.pdf
heterocyclic chemistry http://www2.chemistry.msu.edu/faculty/reusch/virttxtjml/heterocy.htm
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Re: Guess That Fungi/Mushroom Chemical!! [Re: RuralAnomaly]
#19409964 - 01/12/14 08:15 PM (10 years, 18 days ago) |
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Hint- First extracted from ergot, but also found in mushrooms.
Edit: Awesome, thanks for making that list. I noticed someone posted sotolon again, and fifty pages from now it would become more and more common without a list like this.
+5 for you!
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Edited by TheMaster (01/12/14 08:21 PM)
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Re: Guess That Fungi/Mushroom Chemical!! [Re: TheMaster]
#19411006 - 01/13/14 02:38 AM (10 years, 18 days ago) |
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TheMaster said:

Not sure if this one has been posted. Maybe Lightning could start updating the OP with a list?
Hint: amino acid
Bonus points for an interesting fact about this compound.
This is Ergothioneine. It's a histidine derivative and that's actually what gave it away lol. I've never seen this compound before but by looking at the compound immediately you can tell its histidine with a Sulfur group on the 2nd carbon of the imidazole ring and boom google search gave me ergothioneine. So interesting things... first found in ergot which is how it got its name like most other ergot alkaloids. It's also not biosynthesized in many organisims, just a few bacteria like E. coli and some sp. of fungi. Apperently its a good antioxidant too.
Edited by MachineElf1.618 (01/13/14 02:41 AM)
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Correct on all counts!
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Re: Guess That Fungi/Mushroom Chemical!! [Re: The Lightning]
#19411029 - 01/13/14 02:49 AM (10 years, 18 days ago) |
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The Lightning said:
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Maybe Lightning could start updating the OP with a list?
Chemicals we have begun to explore:
Psilocybin (Psilocybine) Nor-Baeocystin (Nor-Baeocystine) Betulinic Acid Sotolon Cycloprop-2-ene Carboxylic Acid Aflatoxin B1 Flammutoxin 6-chloro-4-phenyl-2H-chromen-2-one Xylarone Carbon CO2 Orellanine Antamanide Ibotenic Acid Pleuran Coprine Tryptamine Seratonin Grifolin D-Glucose (Dextrose) Lampterol (Illudin-S) Chitinases Cordycepin Fumaric Acid Tryptophan Ergotamine Variegatic Acid Atromentin T2 Gyromitrin Plectasin Aeruginascin Ganoderic Acid A Lignin Acromelic Acid A Chitin H2O Palmitic Acid (Hexadecanoic Acid)
There are hundreds if not thousands of chemicals we have not yet explored! Please don't delete your images from previous posts!
Umm no... especially because a lot of the compounds on this list are already known and have no psyhcoactive properties. I can go through all of these but to name a few, tryptophan is amino acid which can be biosynthesized into psychoactive compounds, plectasin is a type of ancient defensin that is effective against killing bacteria, our bodies produce a simillar defensin I did a report on this so I know all about it. Chitin is the component of fungal cell walls and lignin is found in plan cell walls. Fungi are known to produce enzymes that break down lignin. I also don't know why you have carbon, co2, and h2o on this list... really?
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mtlmike90 said:
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The Lightning said:
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Maybe Lightning could start updating the OP with a list?
Chemicals we have begun to explore:
Psilocybin (Psilocybine) Nor-Baeocystin (Nor-Baeocystine) Betulinic Acid Sotolon Cycloprop-2-ene Carboxylic Acid Aflatoxin B1 Flammutoxin 6-chloro-4-phenyl-2H-chromen-2-one Xylarone Carbon CO2 Orellanine Antamanide Ibotenic Acid Pleuran Coprine Tryptamine Seratonin Grifolin D-Glucose (Dextrose) Lampterol (Illudin-S) Chitinases Cordycepin Fumaric Acid Tryptophan Ergotamine Variegatic Acid Atromentin T2 Gyromitrin Plectasin Aeruginascin Ganoderic Acid A Lignin Acromelic Acid A Chitin H2O Palmitic Acid (Hexadecanoic Acid)
There are hundreds if not thousands of chemicals we have not yet explored! Please don't delete your images from previous posts!
Umm no... especially because a lot of the compounds on this list are already known and have no psyhcoactive properties.
I am assuming that Lightning meant, not explored by this thread.......
Even having said that with the amount of fungi yet unknown to us, and the amount of potentially undiscovered compounds within species that have never been examined in such a way, the statement is more than likely true either way.
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I also don't know why you have carbon, co2, and h2o on this list... really?
Yes really, it is a thread with the intention of helping people delve into an area they may have little to no familiarity with.
Not meaning to be rude but I think you may have missed the point of the thread entirely.
I for one dropped chemistry in high school at the first available moment, my mind at the time steered me towards physics, mathematics, literature and music.
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Quote:
mtlmike90 said:
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The Lightning said:
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Maybe Lightning could start updating the OP with a list?
Chemicals we have begun to explore:
Psilocybin (Psilocybine) Nor-Baeocystin (Nor-Baeocystine) Betulinic Acid Sotolon Cycloprop-2-ene Carboxylic Acid Aflatoxin B1 Flammutoxin 6-chloro-4-phenyl-2H-chromen-2-one Xylarone Carbon CO2 Orellanine Antamanide Ibotenic Acid Pleuran Coprine Tryptamine Seratonin Grifolin D-Glucose (Dextrose) Lampterol (Illudin-S) Chitinases Cordycepin Fumaric Acid Tryptophan Ergotamine Variegatic Acid Atromentin T2 Gyromitrin Plectasin Aeruginascin Ganoderic Acid A Lignin Acromelic Acid A Chitin H2O Palmitic Acid (Hexadecanoic Acid)
There are hundreds if not thousands of chemicals we have not yet explored! Please don't delete your images from previous posts!
Umm no... especially because a lot of the compounds on this list are already known and have no psyhcoactive properties. I can go through all of these but to name a few, tryptophan is amino acid which can be biosynthesized into psychoactive compounds, plectasin is a type of ancient defensin that is effective against killing bacteria, our bodies produce a simillar defensin I did a report on this so I know all about it. Chitin is the component of fungal cell walls and lignin is found in plan cell walls. Fungi are known to produce enzymes that break down lignin. I also don't know why you have carbon, co2, and h2o on this list... really?
lol fail. My apologies I didn't know this was a list of things that had been covered already in this thread. I just saw the thread and didn't read it from the beginning my bad. I went back to see what had been posted already and then realized those were all the compounds on the list. So yeah I took it way outta context and spoke too soon. But still... seriously guys h2o?
Ok well here you go. I think its a good one.
Edited by MachineElf1.618 (01/13/14 03:19 AM)
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I think its a good one.

Gentlemen and gentlewomen, this thread is not only for chemistry students. It's for people of different ages and backgrounds.
Please add hints to each "guess" and keep things gradually moving toward subtle advancement. You'll discover that most people can learn chemistry with the right friend.
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Re: Guess That Fungi/Mushroom Chemical!! [Re: The Lightning]
#19411651 - 01/13/14 08:56 AM (10 years, 18 days ago) |
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Next:

This chemical is related to a family of mushroom pigments known as pulvinic acids.
Note: A pigment is a material that changes the color of reflected or transmitted light as the result of wavelength-selective absorption.
For Trusted Identifiers who can better find this chemical by a species, here is an image of a very skillful fungi known to possess this chemical:

Name the chemical, the fungi, and tell us something about this element (in relation to the chemical):
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Re: Guess That Fungi/Mushroom Chemical!! [Re: The Lightning]
#19412881 - 01/13/14 03:21 PM (10 years, 17 days ago) |
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The Lightning said: Next:

This chemical is related to a family of mushroom pigments known as pulvinic acids.
Note: A pigment is a material that changes the color of reflected or transmitted light as the result of wavelength-selective absorption.
For Trusted Identifiers who can better find this chemical by a species, here is an image of a very skillful fungi known to possess this chemical:

Name the chemical, the fungi, and tell us something about this element (in relation to the chemical):

Norbadione A found in Boletus badius and other few fungi. IT is known to bind with Cs ions which is why it and other fugi that produce simillar pulvinic acids are thought to be a good use in cleaning up the cesium radioisotopes.
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K next one

K some hints: Isoloated from an ascomycete fungus first found in Norwegian soil. This chemical has very huge importane in skin transplanion because it suppress the immune system by preventing activation of T-cells which will recognize the transplanted tissue as foreign antigen.
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I see typos, my friend.
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