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MagicalOrangutan
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What actives other than thc, cbn and cbd are there in dank weed?
#19336885 - 12/28/13 12:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Really dank weed not only requires like 40% as much weed by weight to get you as high as good mids, the quality of the high is way different, better. What actives other than thc could contribute to that? Cbn and cbd mainly just de-tensify the stone and be neuroprotective I thought.
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Re: What actives other than thc, cbn and cbd are there in dank weed? [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
#19337146 - 12/28/13 01:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cbn and cbd are responsible for the Body high you get from many indica strains. Thc more of a headhigh (common with Sativa strains), That being said CBN and CBD also de-tensify the more psychedelic properties of the high but not the high overall. You can get VERY stoned still off of plants with low THC but high CBN and CBD but it will be less of a mind-fuck and more of a couch-lock high.
As to exactly whats in weed who knows. It all depends on what strain of weed you have and how well it was grown. THC, CBN, CBD, are all cannabinoids and there are a wide variety of known cannabinoids that could exist in the plant in any number of variations of amounts.
Lower grade weed has the possibilities of all of the same components its just well better weed is better because it was grown better. It has a high concentration of the psychoactive chemicals. I don;t think better weed has any exclusive properties, physically speaking, that don't exist in mid- or lower grade weed.
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Re: What actives other than thc, cbn and cbd are there in dank weed? [Re: Lee]
#19338145 - 12/28/13 06:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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11-hydroxy-THC is in small amounts when smoked but a lot more when ingested in about equal parts THC.
THCA
THCV
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Re: What actives other than thc, cbn and cbd are there in dank weed? [Re: MagicalOrangutan] 1
#19338836 - 12/28/13 08:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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MagicalOrangutan said: Really dank weed not only requires like 40% as much weed by weight to get you as high as good mids, the quality of the high is way different, better. What actives other than thc could contribute to that?....
What's contributing to that "high quality high" actually isn't active at all ...
I'd say it's the terepenes, not the cannabinoids, that contributes to that "high quality", clean, euphoric, warm, & clear "high" that is obtained from high quality flowers versus mediocre flowers . Sure the cannabinoids are the primary psychoactive substances in the herb, but the terepenes are like the "seasoning" on top, that really bring certain aspects out and add a "Zest" to the effects .
The terepenes are what gives cannabis it's aroma & flavor, by themselves they are not active, but in combination with cannabinoids they have quite an influence on the effects. Influencing things like, how quickly the effects comes on, how long the effects last, how clear headed the effects are, how analgesic the effects are, and over all just how lovely & "full" the high is, etc etc. So it's each strain's unique profile of terepenes, on top of the unique profile of cannabinoids each strain has, that really brings out certain characteristics & different effects.
This is why I can usually tell what strain, or the general genetic line a bud has, just from the aroma. Same goes for the effects, or the over all type of "high" or "stone" that a bud will induce, this can be predicted just from the aroma...the aroma of medicinal plants can give a lot of clues to what they offer.
From my bit of understanding, the terepenes are also the building blocks of the cannabinoids, they are the pre-cursors of active cannabinoids, they are what the plant uses to synthesize the cannabinoids. There are a handful of terepenes that actually do not develop underneath HPS or metal halide lights, it takes the full spectrum of the sun to produce them, so the full spectrum of terepenes & cannabinoids will not develop unless under full spectrum sunlight.
Anyway...trying to find a way to tie this all together and wrap up my rambling. A bud rich in terepenes will always have a better quality "high", regardless of the over all THC/cannabinoid content. So depending on what sort of light the plant is grown under, what nutrition the plant has to work with....and probably the absolute most important aspect would be how well the buds are dried and cured after harvest...all of those things contribute to the final spectrum of terepenes and cannabinoids. Curing is a crucial part of preserving the terepenes, and through the process of curing many of the terepenes change into more complex terpenes as they degrade slightly over the time of curing....giving the bud a richer & more flavorful aroma & taste, and a richer more "fuller" satisfying high that would not be present otherwise.
Usually a nice proper cure is what determines a top shelf bud, from an alright dank bud. Also, the handling of the buds after being cured. If the buds aren't handled gently lots of the trichomes can get knocked off or rupture, totally losing the essence and all the plant has to offer. These are the differences between quality buds, and mids, and why the effects from some legitimately & properly cured dank is such a nice quality buzz.
This is also why the "high" from a vaporizer tends to be better than smoking. A lot of the terepenes have really low vaporization temps, and they are totally destroyed from the intense heat of the flame or cherry when smoking. When vaping, depending on the temp, almost every bit of the essence of the plant will make it into your lungs. I've always found the effects from vaping to be considerably more "full & satisfying", much warmer and euphoric, really gets all up in there...more intense of a high yet much more clear headed.
I hope the answer to your question lays somewhere in that rambling of mine .
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Re: What actives other than thc, cbn and cbd are there in dank weed? [Re: openmind]
#19338901 - 12/28/13 09:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sorry but a lot of that is just speculation.
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MagicalOrangutan
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Re: What actives other than thc, cbn and cbd are there in dank weed? [Re: dark3st]
#19339296 - 12/28/13 10:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've heard of terepenes before. Time for some online biochemical research..
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Re: What actives other than thc, cbn and cbd are there in dank weed? [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
#19339355 - 12/28/13 10:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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ThC is an aromatic terepens
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Re: What actives other than thc, cbn and cbd are there in dank weed? [Re: dark3st]
#19340469 - 12/29/13 06:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sounds reasonable but I'm not understanding how a chemical that's not psychoactive influences one that is.
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Re: What actives other than thc, cbn and cbd are there in dank weed? [Re: Aopocetx]
#19343526 - 12/29/13 08:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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dark3st said: Sorry but a lot of that is just speculation.
I am indeed speculating that a bud with a rich & broad spectrum of terepenes will make for a better quality "high", compared to a bud that isn't as rich in terepenes.
If one were to smoke/ingest just the cannabinoids with none of the other components found in the flowers, I can imagine the effects wouldn't be as nice, would be a bit more "dull & flat" .
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Aopocetx said: Sounds reasonable but I'm not understanding how a chemical that's not psychoactive influences one that is.
They have indirect actions of sorts...The easiest and most simple I know of to explain would be myrcene, which is usually the most prevalent terp in cannabis. Myrcene affects the permeability of cell membranes, making the blood brain barrier more permeable, allowing more THC/cannabinoids to cross the BBB.
Myrcene itself, taken alone, doesn't do a whole lot, it has some anti-inflammatory properties, and a analgesic & sedating effect if taken in high enough amounts. But when in combination with cannabinoids it has great synergy potentiating the over all effects of the cannabinoids.
Some medical cannabis dispensaries, and folks doing their own research/experiments in general, have started to use various terepene solutions with cannabis to influence and to tailor the effects to get specific benefits from cannabis. Whether that's to make it more analgesic, more clearheaded, for more appetite inducing (or less), etc etc....
I see the future of cannabis concentrates making use of added terepenes, adding concentrations of isolated terps to potentiate & to tailor the effects how ever one wishes.
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...For myself, I am trialing a cannabis tincture with added Myrcene, and have noticed some profound benefits. The base tincture I use is a tinc made from a strain called Clever Man. It is great for pain, hunger, and dream suppression, but lacks a bit in mood lift. When I add 1ml of Myrcene to 125ml of tinc, the new tinc takes on a much better mood-lifting quality. It is very noticeable! Myrcene is known to be a powereful analgesic, anti-inflammatory, mood modulator.
Going a bit farther on the interaction of cannabinoids and what not...CBD (Cannabidiol), is psychoactive but not intoxicating like THC. But CBD does have quite an influence on the over all affect of THC in the body.
CBD indirectly stimulates endogenous cannabinoid (cannabinoids naturally produced in the body) signaling by suppressing the enzyme "fatty acid amide hydroxylase" (FAAH). It is this enzyme which breaks down anandamide. Anandamide is an endogenous cannabinoid naturally produced & found in the body, which binds to cannabinoid receptors, favoring the CB1 receptor.
Because that enzyme, FAAH, is suppressed by CBD, less FAAH means more anandamide remains present in the body for a longer duration. More anandamide means greater CB1 activation .
And CBD itself is actually a CB1 antagonist (though it has very low affinity), and it can still ultimately cause more activation of CB1.
....and that's just one aspect of CBD, imagine all the other complex interactions and what not going on with the rest of the cannabinoids.
Medicinal plants tend to have a huge spectrum of compounds that are all at play, having synergy and balancing each other, interacting with each other elegantly, producing the lovely effects that they do. This is why more side effects are pronounced when pharmaceutical companies take one single component of a plant and isolate it, & turn it into a pill...there's none of the other components from the plant to balance it out.
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Re: What actives other than thc, cbn and cbd are there in dank weed? [Re: openmind]
#19344014 - 12/29/13 10:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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i had a cbd edible that had about 40% CBD with THC at 60%, the high seemed to be clear headed, and acted like a muscle relaxer. Those were the Cheba Chews, I want to try their Indica and Sativa edibles to compare.
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Re: What actives other than thc, cbn and cbd are there in dank weed? [Re: Galvie_Flu]
#19344041 - 12/29/13 10:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: What actives other than thc, cbn and cbd are there in dank weed? [Re: Lucid Toast]
#19344080 - 12/29/13 10:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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There are 480+ chemicals in cannabis but olny 66 of them directly effect us.
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Re: What actives other than thc, cbn and cbd are there in dank weed? [Re: Lucid Toast]
#19345236 - 12/30/13 06:50 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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some of y'all have never had any of these chemicals in pure form and those percentages are off a lot of the time. 10% can be easily marketed as 15 and 15 into 20 etc. Its unregulated and mostly subjective.
Marinol feels almost identical to a fat blunt to the face and that's only one chemical but how the fuck could THC feel almost identical to a blunt? Exactly all this is speculation.
And saying CBD has no psychoactive effects is so far off. Benzos cause sedation and is called a psychoactive drug, yet CBD isn't?
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Re: What actives other than thc, cbn and cbd are there in dank weed? [Re: openmind]
#19345250 - 12/30/13 06:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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openmind said: They have indirect actions of sorts...The easiest and most simple I know of to explain would be myrcene, which is usually the most prevalent terp in cannabis. Myrcene affects the permeability of cell membranes, making the blood brain barrier more permeable, allowing more THC/cannabinoids to cross the BBB.
That's what I hypothesized in my mind but I didn't know it was proven. Thanks, that was helpful.
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