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Going straight to bulk
    #19336865 - 12/28/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Okay, well not actually bulk, but a little more than a couple of cakes.

My question is, what do you think about doing a monotub or similar technique instead of the pf tek for a first time grower?

I mean, if you're getting more for about the same price, amount of work, and risk of contamination, why wouldn't you?

Well, what do you think about what I think, and if you agree, are there any specific techniques/guides that you would recommend to me?


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Re: Going straight to bulk [Re: Synthe]
    #19336969 - 12/28/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Synthe said:
Okay, well not actually bulk, but a little more than a couple of cakes.

My question is, what do you think about doing a monotub or similar technique instead of the pf tek for a first time grower?

I mean, if you're getting more for about the same price, amount of work, and risk of contamination, why wouldn't you?

Well, what do you think about what I think, and if you agree, are there any specific techniques/guides that you would recommend to me?




You totally could, but there's something to be said for starting out with the basics, learning the life cycle of the mushroom and building knowledge from there.  PF if fun to play with, I still experiment with different kinds of cakes from time to time.

However, that being said, there are plenty of people that jumped into bulk on their first grows and did very well.  It all depends on what your goal(s) with the hobby are.


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Re: Going straight to bulk [Re: Paulsage]
    #19337003 - 12/28/13 12:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

ok well lets say you want to grow cakes and use a tub to do it, before you go drilling holes let me drop this on all of you.
for a sgfc to work at it's best it's said to have x amount of cakes in it(as much as possible) so for the sake of simplicity lets say you can fit 12 in the tub your gonna use, now your gonna need to drill x amount of 1/4 inch holes on all six sides and fill it with about 2 bags of perlite that are usually 6-10 bux a pop, and once your cakes are colonized now they have to sit for a week or 2 to consolidate, now lets talk y i say mono, it would take the same amount of cakes to crumble to the same amount of bulk as perlite needed in the sgfc, and bulk is more then 10 times cheaper, you also only need to drill 6 holes not a shitload, and in the time it takes for your cakes to consolidate is about the same time it would take for those cakes to colonize the bulk in the mono, once put into fruiting you now don't have to fan and mist and your yeild is much better, just some good food for your thought, have a nice night and may your choices be wise:thumbup:


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Re: Going straight to bulk [Re: cronicr]
    #19337123 - 12/28/13 01:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I did bulk for my first time. it wasn't exactly smooth sailing but I still yielded a decent amount and had spawn left over for g2g transfers later on. check out Bulk Psilocybe Cubensis growing for noobs tek by moonshine. It helped me a grate deal. sorry I don't have a link. also RRs video is very informative.


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Re: Going straight to bulk [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19337449 - 12/28/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The pasteurization process is really the only step that requires a lot of attention. It's pretty easy to accidentally sterilize your substrate if you're not paying attention. However if you're using coir/verm it's pretty contam resistant and can tolerate being partially sterilized.

I'd say go for the mono anyways. Maybe put a cake or 2 aside and just do both? :shrug:

The most important thing in this hobby is to learn from your mistakes and not be afraid of failure :thumbup:


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Re: Going straight to bulk [Re: Novanity1]
    #19338014 - 12/28/13 05:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:whathesaid:

I wouldn't recommend doing manue if you're planning on it, coir & verm :thumbup:


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Re: Going straight to bulk [Re: kepty]
    #19338017 - 12/28/13 05:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i would reccomend manure, it's fucking awesome stuff and if you can get it right will teach you how to pasturize right whicjh in the long run will pay off:thumbup:


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Re: Going straight to bulk [Re: cronicr]
    #19338042 - 12/28/13 06:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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i would reccomend manure, it's fucking awesome stuff and if you can get it right will teach you how to pasturize right whicjh in the long run will pay off:thumbup:




yeah if you know what you doing, OP said first time grower....IMO I sure as hell won't jump into manure based tek.
Lets say you want a gun but never shot one. Would you buy a RPG or would you buy a pistol for a starter gun.


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Re: Going straight to bulk [Re: kepty]
    #19338050 - 12/28/13 06:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

my first gun was a 357 ruger, if i could go back and change it i would have got a DE:wink:
pasturizing is simple and should not be feared:thumbup: but yes cvg is a great sub to do also


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Re: Going straight to bulk [Re: cronicr]
    #19338079 - 12/28/13 06:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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my first gun was a 357 ruger, if i could go back and change it i would have got a DE;)
pasturizing is simple and should not be feared:thumbup: but yes cvg is a great sub to do also




DE, You must be a rag head,
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Go american boy .454 casull is the winning shot.


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Re: Going straight to bulk [Re: kepty]
    #19338082 - 12/28/13 06:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Lets say you want a gun but never shot one. Would you buy a RPG or would you buy a pistol for a starter gun.



I would listen to Joe Biden and just buy a shotgun.


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Re: Going straight to bulk [Re: PussyFart]
    #19338108 - 12/28/13 06:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Lets say you want a gun but never shot one. Would you buy a RPG or would you buy a pistol for a starter gun.



I would listen to Joe Biden and just buy a shotgun.



My first handgun was a .44 Mag 8" barrel.  I had up to that point shot a .357 Ruger Blackhawk twice.  Best decision I ever made.  I am now looking into a .454 revolver.

As for bulk first:  Do it.  There seems to be an eventuality that all cake makers turn to bulk.  There is a great reason for it also....it is easier.

Dive right into bulk, you have my support!

Keep in mind however that NO MATTER how you begin your study, there will probably be mistakes that are made.  Start with a few mini-monos to build up a good clean process AND self confidence.  After having a few minimonos under your belt, you will be able to make larger monos without fear because you will know that your actions are the correct ones for cultivation.

Practice makes the cultivator, not any specific tek.


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Re: Going straight to bulk [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
    #19338112 - 12/28/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

post every step of the way..we got your back:thumbup:


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Re: Going straight to bulk [Re: cronicr]
    #19338296 - 12/28/13 07:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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my first gun was a 357 ruger, if i could go back and change it i would have got a DE;)
pasturizing is simple and should not be feared:thumbup: but yes cvg is a great sub to do also




desert eagle? yeah right bro

OP should pay their dues,start with the pf-tek and build from there pf tek is amazingly fun and will teach you the basics on sterile technique


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Re: Going straight to bulk [Re: loki44]
    #19338305 - 12/28/13 07:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

your probly right...i really do love my revolver:blush:


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Re: Going straight to bulk [Re: cronicr]
    #19338344 - 12/28/13 07:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I say go straight to mini- " dub tubs " 6-8-12-16-23 qt Monos fruited in a homemade martha - ie; shelving unit wrapped in plastic, you've seen em.

Inoculation, G2G, SAB / LFH - Oh the possibilities.


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Re: Going straight to bulk [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19338356 - 12/28/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:seriousthankyou:


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Re: Going straight to bulk [Re: cronicr]
    #19338496 - 12/28/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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OP should pay their dues,start with the pf-tek and build from there pf tek is amazingly fun and will teach you the basics on sterile technique



I don't necessarily agree with this.  The experience and education that the PF tek provides can certainly be compared directly to grain and bulk scenarios.  Each will teach the cultivator equally.  PF is nice, but only if you DO NOT HAVE A PC.  If the OP has a pc, it seems backward to do PF tek.  I certainly respect your stance on this Loki, but disagree that PF is the best method of beginning.  Any method is a great place to start.

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your probly right...i really do love my revolver:blush:



DE is overrated/overpriced.  Just my opinion.  It generally cannot be concealed, and because it is semi-auto it usually cannot be used (legally) for hunting.  Yes, I use my .44 for hunting as a PRIMARY firearm.  I am old, and hate carrying rifles in areas that I will never even get a shot at more than 70 yards.


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Re: Going straight to bulk [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
    #19338580 - 12/28/13 08:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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OP should pay their dues,start with the pf-tek and build from there pf tek is amazingly fun and will teach you the basics on sterile technique



I don't necessarily agree with this.  The experience and education that the PF tek provides can certainly be compared directly to grain and bulk scenarios.  Each will teach the cultivator equally.  PF is nice, but only if you DO NOT HAVE A PC.  If the OP has a pc, it seems backward to do PF tek.  I certainly respect your stance on this Loki, but disagree that PF is the best method of beginning.  Any method is a great place to start.

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cronicr said:
your probly right...i really do love my revolver:blush:



DE is overrated/overpriced.  Just my opinion.  It generally cannot be concealed, and because it is semi-auto it usually cannot be used (legally) for hunting.  Yes, I use my .44 for hunting as a PRIMARY firearm.  I am old, and hate carrying rifles in areas that I will never even get a shot at more than 70 yards.




Come with me to Alaska one day, Rural for miles....Hunting is a necessity if you live off the land & fun if you like the outsides.


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Re: Going straight to bulk [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
    #19339975 - 12/29/13 01:50 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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  PF is nice, but only if you DO NOT HAVE A PC




Meh, I started off with a PC and did PF Tek.  I got impatient while they were colonizing though and started a monotub at the same time.  Tried a whole bunch of different shit starting off, it was alot of fun and PF tek definitely shows the lifecycle of the mushroom well.  (and they look great fruiting)  I'm all bulk now, but want to get some PFs going just cause they are fun.

Its also fun knocking up random shit around the house too and trying to get it to fruit. (books, socks, sponges etc)


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