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Danger: Paralysis from cyans * 1
    #19336261 - 12/28/13 09:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Last night after having a very pleasant and blissed out experience at a concert after dosing on 8g of dried cyans, I experience near-total paralysis walking back to my car with my brother. It took me about about an hour to get one block, and at one point I collapsed in the middle of the intersection at about 2am and my brother had to drag me off the street and I'm sure I looked like a wastoid drunk to people but my head was totally clear and my trip was over. The coming down period consisted of paralsysis. This happened in the past with cyans, but last night it was much more awful because I was in a much more vulnerable situation. My brother eventually was able to get me to the car, but not before I collapsed and turned my ankle. I could of hit my head or been run over and I certainly would have had to have called 911 if my brother was not with me to get me to the car. After we drove back to our town from the big city after the concert, I was able to walk, but we stopped at a fast food restaurant and I could barely chew my sandwich and thought I might choke if I tried and couldn't finish it. This was due to my mouth not working properly.

The instructions I was sending to my body were not being followed.

It was sad to have such a pleasant experience tainted by something as awful as paralysis.

I've read some similar reports about paralysis after dosing on "wood loving" mushrooms but I just wanted to put my warning out there...

I've read a couple theories about what is causing this:
- general neural chaos in neural pathways from psychedelic experience
- some toxin from partially decomposed mushrooms (they didn't look decomposed to me, but who knows?)

What strikes me about the paralysis I've experienced at least twice from cyans is that it hits way after the peak when you are ready call it a night.


Edited by kapowsin (12/28/13 06:05 PM)


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Re: Danger: Paralysis from cyans [Re: kapowsin]
    #19336358 - 12/28/13 10:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Holy smokes. You are the oldest poster I've ever seen, congrats! I'm a bit awe stricken!

Anyways, are you sure you weren't just tripping some balls off? When I'm facing I can barely move as well, I just get couch locked.

As far as eating goes, if I were tripping and offered fast food my body simply wouldn't allow me to eat it. While tripping taste becomes, like 3-deminsional. As in I can taste the ingredients' life span... So yeah, eating fake shit is just going to naturally piss my body off in an open perception scenario.


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Re: Danger: Paralysis from cyans [Re: DebuteMachine]
    #19336395 - 12/28/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I fell over on the floor paralyzed for 20 minutes from 2.5g of cyans. Me scurred of 8g

But that happened during the come up for me, come down felt like a very strong indica stone, could definitely see how 8g would rock anyones world


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Re: Danger: Paralysis from cyans [Re: DebuteMachine]
    #19336400 - 12/28/13 10:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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DebuteMachine said:
Anyways, are you sure you weren't just tripping some balls off? When I'm facing I can barely move as well, I just get couch locked.



Temporary paralysis is very common from wood digesting Psilocybes. Nobody is quite sure what is the cause, is the neurotoxin produced within the mushrooms themselves, is it a byproduct of wood digesting enzymes, or is it actually due to some unrelated organism, perhaps a bacteria that often lives with or on the mushrooms.


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Re: Danger: Paralysis from cyans [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #19336426 - 12/28/13 10:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I never personally experienced this, but from what I have read this occurrence isn't unheard of from high doses of wood lovers. I read somewhere that boiling the shrooms a little bit to make tea is supposed to avoid this, but that could just be rumor.


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Re: Danger: Paralysis from cyans [Re: DebuteMachine]
    #19336477 - 12/28/13 10:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

No. The trip was over and my head was clear and I'm certain is was physical and not all in my head. I was incapable of moving my limbs or chewing. The paralysis set in about 6 hours after I dosed and lasted about 90 minutes. And yes, I'm a 13 year shroomery member! I am going to avoid this species in the future I think...


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Re: Danger: Paralysis from cyans [Re: kapowsin]
    #19336627 - 12/28/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Rating now. How a member from 2000 is unrated is beyond me.

I'm glad your OK.


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Re: Danger: Paralysis from cyans [Re: FrozenHappiness]
    #19336656 - 12/28/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If the bacteria theory is right boiling would make sense as a way to avoid this, but my hunch is that a core constituent of the mushroom itself is causing this rather than tainting from bacteria.

Unfortunately cyans grow so abundantly in my area...It's about my only option for tripping. My buddy has pounds of them... But I'm not going to take any again, at least not in a situation outside my own home.


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Re: Danger: Paralysis from cyans [Re: kapowsin]
    #19336698 - 12/28/13 11:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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kapowsin said:
If the bacteria theory is right boiling would make sense as a way to avoid this



Not really. It's not the bacteria itself that would cause the symptoms, but the toxin it produces. And while boiling water may kill the bacteria, it certainly wouldn't be able to destroy the toxin. The only explanation for tea not causing the symptoms would be that the toxin is not water soluble, regardles of it being produced by mushrooms or bacteria. But who knows if that is even correct.


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Re: Danger: Paralysis from cyans [Re: Tangich]
    #19337827 - 12/28/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Never done any wood-lovers but I have experienced nervous system related issues such as spasms, being unable to speak, poor motor coordination feeling like I couldn't breath, etc... and feeling like commands from my brain were either cut off or delayed when trying to move or say something.

This was resolved through yoga and chanting. Don't know if this would work with cyans though. I remember someone here saying they did a large dose of cyans (maybe 3-5 grams) and didn't even trip, just went straight into convulsion.


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Re: Danger: Paralysis from cyans [Re: Tangich]
    #19338139 - 12/28/13 06:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Agreed. It's so mysterious and disconcerting as most people think of magic mushrooms and believe that no physical harm is possible, at worst you'll freak yourself out or go off your rocker like Syd Barrett or Daniel Johnston or something...(I'm sure both had underlying schizophrenia and that psychedelics only made it worse)...anyhow, my recent experience counters the belief I've always held that magic mushrooms are physically benign and completely safe as long as you're not someone who is unhinged or going to do something dumb or risky under the influence.

I've never before been so disabled by a psychoactive substance, or anything else for that matter...I have a friend who is a double amputee (legs) and he is able to get around better on his stubs than I could with my legs last night...

so obviously I'm interested in learning a little more and musing on it a bit.

It would be nice to have some answers about this because it could mean a certain species of possibly mushrooms commonly assumed to be safe are not. Wikipedia's article on cyans mentions a young girl who died after accidentally consuming cyans, although I'm not sure how valid this report or the precise details...

Another commenter mentioned breathing or yoga techniques to counter this paralysis although I found this to be completely ineffective. Summoning all the willpower I had was no good either. During the brief moments I could walk, I could only stagger a few steps before falling again. There were a ton of people around so it was rather embarrassing.

A further observation is that the muscles affected seem to become paralyzed after a while of using them. In my previous cyan paralysis experience, my hands became completely useless, as I had been playing guitar that night. Last night my hands were working well, but my legs weren't (I had been dancing (albeit mellowly) all night. The paralysis of the mouth and chewing and swallowing problems occurred after about eating half a sandwich. In others words, your body will work right just fine during the first few hours of the trip, and after around when the trip should be ending muscles you have been using simply stop responding to your brain's "commands". I seriously felt like I imagine Lou Gherig's disease or Cerebral Pulsy or something like that.

The only positive side is that if I had been sitting in a chair or laying in bed without moving everything would have been fine. Another note is the worst of the paralysis lasted about 90 minutes I reckon I was able to function somewhat after the paralysis phase (but still had problems chewing this morning more than 14 hours after dosing)

Aside from the paralysis, I did not feel poisoned. My system felt fine. I'm sure if my blood pressure and vitals had been checked, they'd show normal. And my head was perfectly clear, as I've mentioned repeatedly.


Edited by kapowsin (12/28/13 06:56 PM)


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Re: Danger: Paralysis from cyans [Re: kapowsin]
    #19338578 - 12/28/13 08:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I've never heard of paralysis from shrooms. Sure, there are occasional seizures in rare cases but other than that, physical effects seem to be quite limited.

Is it possible that the shrooms have helped to bring out an underlying medical condition?


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Re: Danger: Paralysis from cyans [Re: kapowsin]
    #19338616 - 12/28/13 08:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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kapowsin said:
No. The trip was over and my head was clear and I'm certain is was physical and not all in my head. I was incapable of moving my limbs or chewing. The paralysis set in about 6 hours after I dosed and lasted about 90 minutes. And yes, I'm a 13 year shroomery member! I am going to avoid this species in the future I think...



Avoid wood lovers they are known to do this.
good vibes :mushroom2:


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Re: Danger: Paralysis from cyans [Re: kapowsin]
    #19339060 - 12/28/13 09:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Happened to me a little over a year ago after eating a bunch of fresh azzies. I always thought it was hype until it actually happened to me. Happened the next day, not during the trip.


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Re: Danger: Paralysis from cyans [Re: kapowsin]
    #19339282 - 12/28/13 10:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I have heard of many cases of cyanescens/azurescens paralysis and i am very interested in finding the cause of this. the fact that this seems to be a somewhat common occurence deters me from wanting to hunt woodlovers.


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Re: Danger: Paralysis from cyans [Re: psilocyclops]
    #19339290 - 12/28/13 10:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I hunted them for many years before I ever had a problem.


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Re: Danger: Paralysis from cyans [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19339344 - 12/28/13 10:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

hey guys so here's the article for the bacteria that supposedly causes the paralysis. the symptoms seem to be on point with your experience http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clostridium_botulinum


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Re: Danger: Paralysis from cyans [Re: psilocyclops]
    #19339739 - 12/29/13 12:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I agree the symptoms sound on point with my experience, although I am skeptical it's the true culprit because I would expect to be infected with botulism now if that was the cause, which I clearly am not. Unless perhaps the mushroom absorb toxic constituents or byproducts of the bacteria without carrying the bacteria itself? I don't know.

The major paralytic effects only lasted a couple hours, and there was still some residual effects on chewing and gait the next morning, but the problem passed like a toxin more so than a living organism that's sticking around and causing mayhem as I would think would be the case if I were infected with botulism. although i use the word toxin loosely, because aside from the paralysis, i didn't feel at all poisoned...no pain, nausea, convulsions or dysphoria during my period of paralysis.

anyway, I'm no scientist so have perhaps reached the end of the road as far as my speculation can take me, but I will continue to follow this issue because it does have implications for the magic-mushroom community as well as mycologists and toxicologists and what not.

I have read at least two other experiences on here that match my issue to  a tee, including the inability to eat a sandwich due to inability to chew or swallow, the collapsing (both reports used this exact term), etc.


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Re: Danger: Paralysis from cyans [Re: kapowsin]
    #19339828 - 12/29/13 01:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

makes me wonder could the wood lovers be producing or absorbing methanol.
"The initial symptoms of methanol intoxication include central nervous system depression, headache, dizziness, nausea, lack of coordination, and confusion."
if this is the case you may have not noticed the initial symptoms because of the trip. after the joyride of was over the only thing remaining were the inflamed nerves. which could have lead to the  paralysis?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methanol


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Re: Danger: Paralysis from cyans [Re: hexeros]
    #19340946 - 12/29/13 10:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Disturbing, I want to understand more about this.


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Re: Danger: Paralysis from cyans [Re: fantasticfungus]
    #26991816 - 10/18/20 06:16 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Disturbing, I want to understand more about this.




Me too as I've got a bunch of this type of shrooms. I wish there was a way to avoid this from happening?


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Re: Danger: Paralysis from cyans [Re: porkandbeansboy]
    #26992229 - 10/19/20 02:28 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Danger: Paralysis from cyans [Re: Vylie]
    #26992252 - 10/19/20 03:44 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

You need acetylcholine and dopamine for motor function. The popular treatment, Botox, paralyzes muscles that it contacts, thus reducing the appearance of wrinkles. Botox affects acetylcholine receptors.

How a mushroom managed to bind to your acetylcholine receptors is beyond me.


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Re: Danger: Paralysis from cyans [Re: dark_leviathan]
    #26992932 - 10/19/20 12:52 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I got total amnesia from 2.5g of dried cyans. My only time trying them....I quite enjoyed them until the end of the trip when it seemed like they were only increasing in intensity and we couldn't find our car. Ran all over the place, literally. Was terrifying...

cyans...well, yeah they call it the 'potent psilocybe' for a reason xD

I am scared to do more than 2.5g. 2.5g for me was like 7g dried cubensis. Stuff's insane

I hope you can still integrate something useful from the trip.


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Re: Danger: Paralysis from cyans [Re: dark_leviathan]
    #27352880 - 06/17/21 09:55 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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You need acetylcholine and dopamine for motor function. The popular treatment, Botox, paralyzes muscles that it contacts, thus reducing the appearance of wrinkles. Botox affects acetylcholine receptors.

How a mushroom managed to bind to your acetylcholine receptors is beyond me.





Interesting apparently people have also had convulsions or seizures on them any idea what might be the cause of that and how to avoid it from occurring.


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Re: Danger: Paralysis from cyans [Re: porkandbeansboy]
    #27352907 - 06/17/21 10:25 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Wood lovers paraylsis, that's why i stick to cubes .


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Re: Danger: Paralysis from cyans [Re: VikingWizard]
    #27353330 - 06/18/21 09:04 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

My barely educated wild guess is that some chemical in the fungi is somehow participating in the body to inhibit acetylcholine - causing temporary paralysis.


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