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Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening
    #19335601 - 12/28/13 05:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I did spiritual practice and as a result the ego has begun to dissolve and lose it's group over the pure being that is simply shedding light on the action the brain typing this. I still have a great deal of counter-egoic work to do before I am totally free, but I have found the connection to my inner self, that I had so deeply longed for, and now I know that as long as I keep paying attention to, and obeying my deepest wisdom, everything will turn out beautifully.

Today, I thank the Lord for his mercy.


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Deviate]
    #19335665 - 12/28/13 05:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for letting us know. :imspecial:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Icelander] * 1
    #19335717 - 12/28/13 06:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Your response indicates you aren't happy for me. that is hurtful. Not that I have much of an ego to feel hurt, none the less a slight feeling of hurt arose.

I am letting you know, not to glorify myself, as I am nothing, God is everything and any sense of me thats left is simply a pattern that flahsed before the eye of eternity. But I am letting you know to show the value of spiritual practice on the path of awakening. I would never have made it here without it.

I want people to know what spiritual practice can lead to, if one simply applies oneself to it. I mean, men build space ships and fly to the moon. How is that we can't learn to recognize the wiles of the ego and see past them? the answer is that we can, most people simply spend their lives chasing other pursuits. Not that there is something necessarily with this, but it does obscure a much better way to live. THe way of peace. Oh it's beautiful.


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Deviate]
    #19335735 - 12/28/13 06:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)







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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Deviate]
    #19335802 - 12/28/13 06:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Deviate said:
Your response indicates you aren't happy for me. that is hurtful. Not that I have much of an ego to feel hurt, none the less a slight feeling of hurt arose.

I am letting you know, not to glorify myself, as I am nothing, God is everything and any sense of me thats left is simply a pattern that flahsed before the eye of eternity. But I am letting you know to show the value of spiritual practice on the path of awakening. I would never have made it here without it.

I want people to know what spiritual practice can lead to, if one simply applies oneself to it. I mean, men build space ships and fly to the moon. How is that we can't learn to recognize the wiles of the ego and see past them? the answer is that we can, most people simply spend their lives chasing other pursuits. Not that there is something necessarily with this, but it does obscure a much better way to live. THe way of peace. Oh it's beautiful.




:popcorn:


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Deviate]
    #19335803 - 12/28/13 06:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Good job! :smile:
What did you find out?
Has the world view shifted?


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Deviate] * 1
    #19335835 - 12/28/13 07:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Deviate said:
Your response indicates you aren't happy for me. that is hurtful. Not that I have much of an ego to feel hurt, none the less a slight feeling of hurt arose.

I am letting you know, not to glorify myself, as I am nothing, God is everything and any sense of me thats left is simply a pattern that flahsed before the eye of eternity. But I am letting you know to show the value of spiritual practice on the path of awakening. I would never have made it here without it.

I want people to know what spiritual practice can lead to, if one simply applies oneself to it. I mean, men build space ships and fly to the moon. How is that we can't learn to recognize the wiles of the ego and see past them? the answer is that we can, most people simply spend their lives chasing other pursuits. Not that there is something necessarily with this, but it does obscure a much better way to live. THe way of peace. Oh it's beautiful.




It's not that I'm not happy for you. It's that I think you are deluding yourself and you'll get a wake up call soon enough.  I find it strange that when you get this state you claim you announce it in such a way. It reminds me very much of those in a new romance where they glorify the situation to find out later that it was not the "one".

I'm more than willing to let it all play out.  I'm sure we will all see what is going on given a little time.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Deviate]
    #19335844 - 12/28/13 07:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Deviate said:
I did spiritual practice and as a result the ego has begun to dissolve and lose it's group over the pure being that is simply shedding light on the action the brain typing this. I still have a great deal of counter-egoic work to do before I am totally free, but I have found the connection to my inner self, that I had so deeply longed for, and now I know that as long as I keep paying attention to, and obeying my deepest wisdom, everything will turn out beautifully.

Today, I thank the Lord for his mercy.




Do what you love at all times :-)

cant go wrong with that

my spiritual practice is houseplants,pets,walk in nature everyday and sit in nature,guitar/draw
observe nature everyday, when I wake up in the morning I notice I am happy because my pets are :-)
and from seeing the beauty of nature, new miracle each day

same happiness from any houseplant, any walk in nature

it is a good setting for tripping too... really gives good mood to have houseplants in the setting
just observe in the trip
but it has been a while since I last tripped

I notice that I am happy so I am doing as good as I can ;-)
I dont need anything, I dont need to pursue anything
I got everything I need
the only thing I need to do is what I love doing, I can chose my own happiness

youtube.com/watch?v=OV6Dm4yY7Do some trance if you like trance, no time, no worries
got more in my journal if you want


Edited by lessismore (12/28/13 07:21 AM)


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: cbub]
    #19335875 - 12/28/13 07:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I found out not a whole that I didn't read but essentially life is beautiful if you just don't mess with it at all. Its your own thoughts that ruin it. Learning to control the mind and put an end to these thoughts is tricky, it is challenging and can be very confusing. None the less, if you are willing to put forth the effort, it can be done.

The key is to learn how to keep one's attention on the unmanifest. This is what Ramana Maharshi said his self inquiry technique was all about, (prayer also, puts the mind in the manfiestjust a tool to help one to shift their attention from the manifest "I" and all the thoughts that surround it, back to the unmanifest where is no "I" that is doing the being, there is only being. Continually placing ones attention in the unmanifest and refusing to over value the cloud of thoughts that arises in your mind, no suprressing thoughts but simply refusing to regard them as more important than the other information available in the mind scorches the vasanas. They cannot continue forever once rthe light of conscius awareness is shown directly upon them and you are willing to see clearly what is there instead of trtyi. Scientific mind. Through a little love, a little backti into your scientific mind and you're golden. Remember, scientific mind.


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Deviate]
    #19335925 - 12/28/13 07:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

>>>>>that is hurtful.

Beware not of Icelander. I say unto you, thou seeker... Instead beware of Deviate. Beware of Deviate! BEWARE OF DEVIATE!!!!

For Icelander can not harm your. Only Deviate can harm Deviate and thats really only the perception of harm anyway. Ego puts up the struggle. Ego feels the hurt. I have nothing left that hurts, for I am pure and holy, an enlightened buddha. For when you see me, you should kill me. Strike me down!!! That is likened unto the directions to the closest gas station, in two blocks turn left and so I say unto you, strike me down!!!! For that is the first step, to destroy the ego you must kill it where you find it. To battle like noble Arjuna, like noble Captain Ahab in his hunt for Moby Dick!!! EVER ONWARD!!!! The white whale you seek will destroy you with it!!!! And that is what the sages mean when they say they have lost everything and gained nothing. For I am nothing. I had everything but no more. For the ego will thrash for the ego will hurt for the ego will bleed. For the ego is Moby Dick and that white whale is you!!!!!!!


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Deviate]
    #19335936 - 12/28/13 08:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Deviate said:
I found out not a whole that I didn't read but essentially life is beautiful if you just don't mess with it at all. Its your own thoughts that ruin it. Learning to control the mind and put an end to these thoughts is tricky, it is challenging and can be very confusing. None the less, if you are willing to put forth the effort, it can be done.

The key is to learn how to keep one's attention on the unmanifest. This is what Ramana Maharshi said his self inquiry technique was all about, (prayer also, puts the mind in the manfiestjust a tool to help one to shift their attention from the manifest "I" and all the thoughts that surround it, back to the unmanifest where is no "I" that is doing the being, there is only being. Continually placing ones attention in the unmanifest and refusing to over value the cloud of thoughts that arises in your mind, no suprressing thoughts but simply refusing to regard them as more important than the other information available in the mind scorches the vasanas. They cannot continue forever once rthe light of conscius awareness is shown directly upon them and you are willing to see clearly what is there instead of trtyi. Scientific mind. Through a little love, a little backti into your scientific mind and you're golden. Remember, scientific mind.



There is nothing to remember for me

just observe, I cant see any problems
only miracles each day, I am here still ;-)


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Icelander]
    #19335949 - 12/28/13 08:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Your response indicates you aren't happy for me. that is hurtful. Not that I have much of an ego to feel hurt, none the less a slight feeling of hurt arose.

I am letting you know, not to glorify myself, as I am nothing, God is everything and any sense of me thats left is simply a pattern that flahsed before the eye of eternity. But I am letting you know to show the value of spiritual practice on the path of awakening. I would never have made it here without it.

I want people to know what spiritual practice can lead to, if one simply applies oneself to it. I mean, men build space ships and fly to the moon. How is that we can't learn to recognize the wiles of the ego and see past them? the answer is that we can, most people simply spend their lives chasing other pursuits. Not that there is something necessarily with this, but it does obscure a much better way to live. THe way of peace. Oh it's beautiful.




It's not that I'm not happy for you. It's that I think you are deluding yourself and you'll get a wake up call soon enough.  I find it strange that when you get this state you claim you announce it in such a way. It reminds me very much of those in a new romance where they glorify the situation to find out later that it was not the "one".

I'm more than willing to let it all play out.  I'm sure we will all see what is going on given a little time.





Oh right, because I couldn't actually be happy, no, it MUST be a delusion. Sorry, deviate is not allowed to feel happy. Its a social taboo. deviate must remain miserable, or he breaks all the unwritten social rules.

in a sense of course I am deluding myself. All life from the persspective of separation is delusional or an illusion in some way. This life is just a game. We each go through or own struggle to realize what we are and it appears to take place in a series of games. in Right now I am playing the post on the shroomery game. But what makes you think I am deluding myself any more than usual? Deluding myself into thinking what? I am happy. Isn't that a miracle in itself? I tell you, it truly does take a miracle to make a person as miserable as I was happy. If you think its delusion, then go ahead, delude yourself into feeling incredibly right now. I'll bet you can't do it. Being able to delude oneself into feeling so much peace seems like something valuable to me.  Even if this doesnt last (and I know it wont in the sense that I wont always feel this good, I said I still have a lot of counter egoic work to do) its still better to experience these moments of incredible peace and then go back to being miserable than to just be miserable all the time, wouldn't you say? So again, my experience supports the value of spiritual practice.

Now tell me, where is the delusion? Please make me aware of it, so that my understanding of the truth may deepen.


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Deviate]
    #19335955 - 12/28/13 08:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I wrote a poem for you, Deviate, left it in your ratings too.


Oh Captain, My Ahab

Further, ever onward. Be thou finished with the fight, oh Deviate. Thou hast harpooned Leviathan!!! But yet it fights, ever harder, thrashing up the white foam from the deep tearing men's flesh with its teeth, and dashing your boats to splinters!!!! Thrust into his heart a barbed spear and put him down and dash to pieces that part of you that is you! Like trading a horse for the saddle. You will be left with nothing to ride. I say unto you, that I am the invisible horse. So saddle me and ride me unto your own death!!!!


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Ellis Dee] * 1
    #19335964 - 12/28/13 08:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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>>>>>that is hurtful.

Beware not of Icelander. I say unto you, thou seeker... Instead beware of Deviate. Beware of Deviate! BEWARE OF DEVIATE!!!!

For Icelander can not harm your. Only Deviate can harm Deviate and thats really only the perception of harm anyway. Ego puts up the struggle. Ego feels the hurt. I have nothing left that hurts, for I am pure and holy, an enlightened buddha. For when you see me, you should kill me. Strike me down!!! That is likened unto the directions to the closest gas station, in two blocks turn left and so I say unto you, strike me down!!!! For that is the first step, to destroy the ego you must kill it where you find it. To battle like noble Arjuna, like noble Captain Ahab in his hunt for Moby Dick!!! EVER ONWARD!!!! The white whale you seek will destroy you with it!!!! And that is what the sages mean when they say they have lost everything and gained nothing. For I am nothing. I had everything but no more. For the ego will thrash for the ego will hurt for the ego will bleed. For the ego is Moby Dick and that white whale is you!!!!!!!




Yes, thank you I know. I know that, I deviate am the problem. However, part of my practice is not to suppress egoic feelings when they arise. SO for instance, if incelander hurts my feelings, instead of pretending I am so holy that it doesn't affect me, I simply express what was felt and move on.


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Deviate]
    #19335969 - 12/28/13 08:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I say not supress but kill. Strike it down. Though it kill you and wreck your ship and drown her crew. Moby Dick must die.


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19335970 - 12/28/13 08:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Ellis Dee said:
>>>>>that is hurtful.

Beware not of Icelander. I say unto you, thou seeker... Instead beware of Deviate. Beware of Deviate! BEWARE OF DEVIATE!!!!

For Icelander can not harm your. Only Deviate can harm Deviate and thats really only the perception of harm anyway. Ego puts up the struggle. Ego feels the hurt. I have nothing left that hurts, for I am pure and holy, an enlightened buddha. For when you see me, you should kill me. Strike me down!!! That is likened unto the directions to the closest gas station, in two blocks turn left and so I say unto you, strike me down!!!! For that is the first step, to destroy the ego you must kill it where you find it. To battle like noble Arjuna, like noble Captain Ahab in his hunt for Moby Dick!!! EVER ONWARD!!!! The white whale you seek will destroy you with it!!!! And that is what the sages mean when they say they have lost everything and gained nothing. For I am nothing. I had everything but no more. For the ego will thrash for the ego will hurt for the ego will bleed. For the ego is Moby Dick and that white whale is you!!!!!!!




I don't know. He does sound paradoxical like most enlightened people. Aren't you just jealous?


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19335988 - 12/28/13 08:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Its nice to hear a report of a realization, and i'm not saying this even applies to Deviates posts, but cosmicjoke has a great point here

Watch It!

The bliss, the elation of feeling free, the premature celebration, if you don't watch it all you get sucked into another new paradigm so easily

I've noticed a paradox, that the most beautiful words tend to spill from a mouth that knows how to be quiet






Deviate, what practice did you use?


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19335994 - 12/28/13 08:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you that was a lovely poem that accurately describes the battle I am immersed. The devil and his armies do NOT go down easy, I can tell you that much. Oh my oh my, they are a worthy opponent. What a marvelous fight this is. Evem tje


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Deviate]
    #19336008 - 12/28/13 08:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Glad to hear of your breakthrough, Deviate.  May the peace you're experiencing grow with each day.

Rather than purge any of my human bits, I choose to embrace and seek out a sort of reconciliation with all of them.  Even the unpleasant bits. 

But experience trumps theory, always.  If your "counter-egoic" work bears fruit, by all means...  full steam ahead. :thumbup:


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Deviate]
    #19336071 - 12/28/13 08:50 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So Jedi mind tricks + yogi whoever + new age Catholicism = a grand delusional head space?


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Deviate]
    #19336113 - 12/28/13 09:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Deviate said:
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Icelander said:
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Deviate said:
Your response indicates you aren't happy for me. that is hurtful. Not that I have much of an ego to feel hurt, none the less a slight feeling of hurt arose.

I am letting you know, not to glorify myself, as I am nothing, God is everything and any sense of me thats left is simply a pattern that flahsed before the eye of eternity. But I am letting you know to show the value of spiritual practice on the path of awakening. I would never have made it here without it.

I want people to know what spiritual practice can lead to, if one simply applies oneself to it. I mean, men build space ships and fly to the moon. How is that we can't learn to recognize the wiles of the ego and see past them? the answer is that we can, most people simply spend their lives chasing other pursuits. Not that there is something necessarily with this, but it does obscure a much better way to live. THe way of peace. Oh it's beautiful.




It's not that I'm not happy for you. It's that I think you are deluding yourself and you'll get a wake up call soon enough.  I find it strange that when you get this state you claim you announce it in such a way. It reminds me very much of those in a new romance where they glorify the situation to find out later that it was not the "one".

I'm more than willing to let it all play out.  I'm sure we will all see what is going on given a little time.





Oh right, because I couldn't actually be happy, no, it MUST be a delusion. Sorry, deviate is not allowed to feel happy. Its a social taboo. deviate must remain miserable, or he breaks all the unwritten social rules.

in a sense of course I am deluding myself. All life from the persspective of separation is delusional or an illusion in some way. This life is just a game. We each go through or own struggle to realize what we are and it appears to take place in a series of games. in Right now I am playing the post on the shroomery game. But what makes you think I am deluding myself any more than usual? Deluding myself into thinking what? I am happy. Isn't that a miracle in itself? I tell you, it truly does take a miracle to make a person as miserable as I was happy. If you think its delusion, then go ahead, delude yourself into feeling incredibly right now. I'll bet you can't do it. Being able to delude oneself into feeling so much peace seems like something valuable to me.  Even if this doesnt last (and I know it wont in the sense that I wont always feel this good, I said I still have a lot of counter egoic work to do) its still better to experience these moments of incredible peace and then go back to being miserable than to just be miserable all the time, wouldn't you say? So again, my experience supports the value of spiritual practice.

Now tell me, where is the delusion? Please make me aware of it, so that my understanding of the truth may deepen.




Never said you're not allowed to feel happy.  I'm saying what you call ego death is just a fleeting experience and you will go back to what and who you are  day to day carrying only a tiny fragment of what you have experienced back with you.  That is unless you are that one in a million or something.  That's possible but unlikely.  You announced it imo in a most egotistical way as if you had won the lottery or fallen in love. Then you immediately got hurt by my words. This is all telling imo. I've been there and I've seen dozens if not hundreds of others go through this pattern of experience.  Just sayin:shrug:

We will all see with a little time. As I've said.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Chronic7]
    #19336442 - 12/28/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Ellis Dee said:
I say not supress but kill. Strike it down. Though it kill you and wreck your ship and drown her crew. Moby Dick must die.





Is there ever a time wehn I may rest? I get exhausted from striking down thoughts all dat
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CosmicJoke said:









Its nice to hear a report of a realization, and i'm not saying this even applies to Deviates posts, but cosmicjoke has a great point here

Watch It!

The bliss, the elation of feeling free, the premature celebration, if you don't watch it all you get sucked into another new paradigm so easily

I've noticed a paradox, that the most beautiful words tend to spill from a mouth that knows how to be quiet






Deviate, what practice did you use?




Yes, this is one of many premature celebrations. I engage in these because I figure after I reach nirvana there will be no one left to celebrate. It's what adyashanti calls the "ok, i'll be this" snag. basically as one progresses deep into meditation, one finds themselves in states that are very enjoyable and filled with wisdom, yet still far from true liberation. So when one finds themself is such a wonderul state as I have found myself in tonight, rather than progress further and go beyond ego, instead the ego says "this is nice, I'll just be this'. Then it celebrates its new discovery or "spiritual awakening" and makes a little thread on the shroomery just like this one announcing success, only to realize  a little later, something is still
off. Something is still missing.I know how it works, ive been through it so many times. Only, the grip of my ego is gradually loosening. I am beginning to understand that I cant allow myself to be satisfied with being this or that no matter how appealing it might seem "Behold, I offer you all the kingdoms of the world if you will bow down and worthip me".

But anyway, you asked about my practice? My practice  consists of a combination between awareness and devotional practices. In terms of awareness I have been helped greatly by zen teachings and techniques like just sitting as well as adyashanti's "true meditation". Eckhart tolles teachings on the pain body and dissolving it I found very useful and of course most of all Ramana Maharshi's self inquiry which is a simple tool for placing one's attention in the unmanifest.

On the devotional you side you got the basics (I attend mass every week, reciepray daily and study God's word) but in addition to that,  I used the prayer of Jesus as described in the way of the pilgrim which was a life changing book for me. This prayer, prayed silently and unceasingly hooked to the rhythm of my breathing and heart rate helped me to reestablish a connection to my heart. It brought love back into my life. I realized that one of its effects, is to tune one into the wisdom of one's own body. This is what happens when you begin to place more attention on your own breathing and heart rate than on your train of thought, a fundamental shift begins to take place in my experience, a shift away from thinking toward being. I find this to be a positive thing because I have found that my body is much wiser than my mind. So that's where the devotional practices and the awareness practices come together and meet.


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Deviate]
    #19336459 - 12/28/13 10:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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    #19336525 - 12/28/13 10:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Your response indicates you aren't happy for me. that is hurtful. Not that I have much of an ego to feel hurt, none the less a slight feeling of hurt arose.

I am letting you know, not to glorify myself, as I am nothing, God is everything and any sense of me thats left is simply a pattern that flahsed before the eye of eternity. But I am letting you know to show the value of spiritual practice on the path of awakening. I would never have made it here without it.

I want people to know what spiritual practice can lead to, if one simply applies oneself to it. I mean, men build space ships and fly to the moon. How is that we can't learn to recognize the wiles of the ego and see past them? the answer is that we can, most people simply spend their lives chasing other pursuits. Not that there is something necessarily with this, but it does obscure a much better way to live. THe way of peace. Oh it's beautiful.




It's not that I'm not happy for you. It's that I think you are deluding yourself and you'll get a wake up call soon enough.  I find it strange that when you get this state you claim you announce it in such a way. It reminds me very much of those in a new romance where they glorify the situation to find out later that it was not the "one".

I'm more than willing to let it all play out.  I'm sure we will all see what is going on given a little time.





Oh right, because I couldn't actually be happy, no, it MUST be a delusion. Sorry, deviate is not allowed to feel happy. Its a social taboo. deviate must remain miserable, or he breaks all the unwritten social rules.

in a sense of course I am deluding myself. All life from the persspective of separation is delusional or an illusion in some way. This life is just a game. We each go through or own struggle to realize what we are and it appears to take place in a series of games. in Right now I am playing the post on the shroomery game. But what makes you think I am deluding myself any more than usual? Deluding myself into thinking what? I am happy. Isn't that a miracle in itself? I tell you, it truly does take a miracle to make a person as miserable as I was happy. If you think its delusion, then go ahead, delude yourself into feeling incredibly right now. I'll bet you can't do it. Being able to delude oneself into feeling so much peace seems like something valuable to me.  Even if this doesnt last (and I know it wont in the sense that I wont always feel this good, I said I still have a lot of counter egoic work to do) its still better to experience these moments of incredible peace and then go back to being miserable than to just be miserable all the time, wouldn't you say? So again, my experience supports the value of spiritual practice.

Now tell me, where is the delusion? Please make me aware of it, so that my understanding of the truth may deepen.




Never said you're not allowed to feel happy.  I'm saying what you call ego death is just a fleeting experience and you will go back to what and who you are  day to day carrying only a tiny fragment of what you have experienced back with you.  That is unless you are that one in a million or something.  That's possible but unlikely.  You announced it imo in a most egotistical way as if you had won the lottery or fallen in love. Then you immediately got hurt by my words. This is all telling imo. I've been there and I've seen dozens if not hundreds of others go through this pattern of experience.  Just sayin:shrug:

We will all see with a little time. As I've said.





I think you need to read a bit more carefully.  My ego did not die. I stated I still had a great deal of counter egoic work to do. ALl that happened, as I stated in my post, is that I established a connection with my inner self. There is obviously still duality there, there is I and there is my inner self. An enlightened person would not say "I established a connection with my inner self" because enlightenment is the breaking down of the appearance that you are different from yourself. I did not claim to be enlightened or beyond the capacity for hurt feelings or anything of the sort. I underwent a personal transformation, which you have no ability to judge because you have no way knowing where I was before vs where I am now.  I have undergone several of these transformations over the past year (due to my sadhana) and they have all been authentic in the sense that they have all lead to lasting changes in my level of awareness. This recent one has been the most significant, because I finally established a conscous connection to my inner self, vs all the previous transformative experiences where I only increased my unconscious connection to my inner self. THere is still a tremendous amount of work to be done for, because I was very mentally unhealthy. I have simply gained a lot more faith that what I am doing is really working and rapidly also, that I am healing, and I just need to continue to listen to my inner self. That is the cause for celebration, its just a milestone on my journey of healing. I am finally awakening.

WHy do you have no faith icelander? Why do you think everything is a delusion? Is it not possible for a person to heal?

Btw you are right that liberation is one in a million, the Bhagavad Gita states exactly that. But what I am trying to say is that there are benefits to spiritual practice long, long before liberation


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Deviate]
    #19336549 - 12/28/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I have faith in what I see and experience.  I've never said everything is a delusion, an illusion maybe.  I think some healing can happen. I also think a lot of this sort of thing is self aggrandizing bs or frantic fear based clinging.  You have no idea how many such announcements I've heard in eight years here only to see the person crash and burn in a heap of insults and suffering.

Anyway what do you care what I think? You seem to be hell bent on convincing everyone of your authenticity.  I said time will tell didn't I? Well what's your hurry to prove me wrong?


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Chronic7]
    #19336552 - 12/28/13 11:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I dont understand...

you can have nirvana at any time, just notice it

every day, every minute

it is within, and everywhere around you

and you can celebrate it every minute too


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Icelander]
    #19336616 - 12/28/13 11:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I have faith in what I see and experience.  I've never said everything is a delusion, an illusion maybe.  I think some healing can happen. I also think a lot of this sort of thing is self aggrandizing bs or frantic fear based clinging.  You have no idea how many such announcements I've heard in eight years here only to see the person crash and burn in a heap of insults and suffering.

Anyway what do you care what I think? You seem to be hell bent on convincing everyone of your authenticity.  I said time will tell didn't I? Well what's your hurry to prove me wrong?





No hurry I am simply expressing my feelings. My feelings are that first of all for me after undergoing such experiences a I am undergoing, which are uncharted waters for me, a leap into the unknown, it is only natural for me to look for external confirmation that I am on the right track. A part of me is very frigtened, frightened at the prospect of losing myself. That is the function of the guru, to remove the seekers doubts. I dont have a guru, so I post here and I get wonderful feedback from people like the chornic (It was actually one of his posts which set this whole thing in motion) and markosthegnostic who helped me unstuck when I was so badly stuck around thanksgiving (thank you markos)
and even you once in a blue moon. I'd be lying if I said nothing youve said has ever helped me.

However, it often feels as though from you I get mostly discouragement. If I had listened to you, I would have turned back and given up a long time ago. THere is something about that resonates deep within me, a certain sadness that is triggered and that is why I feel compelled to challenge you, to expose the fact that freedom is possible, that healing is possible, that awakening is possible because thats what I experience to be true and I feel like your posts are unecessarily negative. Not that I am judging you, I understand that you are simply posting based on your own experiences. I am just challenging your conclusions. But why question my motivations? Does it matter, or is this some sly attempt on your part to prove I am not awakening? And if so, why do that?


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    #19336636 - 12/28/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I dont understand...

you can have nirvana at any time, just notice it

every day, every minute

it is within, and everywhere around you

and you can celebrate it every minute too





Yes yes, a shift in attention is all that is required. I lose attention sometimes and fall back into ego.

Thats why icelanders attempts to psychoanalyze me in his campaign to prove I am delusional are so misquided. Sure he can identify ego in me, its still there, for sure and quite often does it rear its ugly head.

But what cant be measured by my behavior (but which might show up on certain brain scanning techniques) is a major shift in consciousness toward the unmanifest that I have undergone. That is what I am trying to communicate to people.

You just cant measure this based on whether I get hurt feelings or whatever other behavioral barometer you try to use icelander. The fact that you constantly try to do that, to judge everyone who claims some kind of spiritual attainment, is just so misquided. How did you ever go down that road?

I think this is the heart of what bothers me. This is just totally my opinion here, not based on anything but how I feel, but I just think it is wrong to take spiritual seekers, identify ego in them and then try to use that to prove their attainments arent real or that sadhana is a waste of time. I think that is a sick thing to do.


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Deviate]
    #19336682 - 12/28/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Ignore is a good function :-)

I am the controller of my mind, I can chose which information I want and which I dont want

sometimes arguing with the opposite person of yourself is futile

and if he has gotten you to become angry he has actually won

what egodeath ment to me was a reuniting with who I am, my spiritual nature that I had forgotten for a long time
definitely worth celebrating :-)
just watch it like they say, it creeps in again next day with many illusions
"my ego is responsible for everything I am not"

trying to deny our own thoughts,desires,emotions etc. , and even actions

instead embrace them but watch them, they are not who you are, but they can still be helpful when living

I am good enough as I am, I am not perfect, but I try to do my best
and always tried to do my best, that is how I could even get to where I am now, learning from mistakes that I didnt know were mistakes at the time


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    #19336718 - 12/28/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I did spiritual practice and as a result the ego has begun to dissolve and lose it's group over the pure being that is simply shedding light on the action the brain typing this. I still have a great deal of counter-egoic work to do before I am totally free, but I have found the connection to my inner self, that I had so deeply longed for, and now I know that as long as I keep paying attention to, and obeying my deepest wisdom, everything will turn out beautifully.

Today, I thank the Lord for his mercy.




Well, I'm glad you're moving out of the depressed state you seemed to be in recently.  Hopefully you aren't expecting to permanently dissolve the ego--instead one learns to transcend it by becoming aware of its tricks.  It's a useful little beast as much as it can be detrimental and more to the point destroying it completely is impossible.  But now at least you'll be able to ride the tiger, rather than have the tiger ride you.  :cheers:


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    #19336905 - 12/28/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Do what you love at all times :-)





That is a great directive! Ted Bundy loved killing young women, and pedo priests - well, you get the picture.


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    #19336949 - 12/28/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

never mind, must be hallucinating.


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    #19336985 - 12/28/13 12:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You believe those things are wrong?




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    #19337030 - 12/28/13 01:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I have faith in what I see and experience.  I've never said everything is a delusion, an illusion maybe.  I think some healing can happen. I also think a lot of this sort of thing is self aggrandizing bs or frantic fear based clinging.  You have no idea how many such announcements I've heard in eight years here only to see the person crash and burn in a heap of insults and suffering.

Anyway what do you care what I think? You seem to be hell bent on convincing everyone of your authenticity.  I said time will tell didn't I? Well what's your hurry to prove me wrong?





No hurry I am simply expressing my feelings. My feelings are that first of all for me after undergoing such experiences a I am undergoing, which are uncharted waters for me, a leap into the unknown, it is only natural for me to look for external confirmation that I am on the right track. A part of me is very frigtened, frightened at the prospect of losing myself. That is the function of the guru, to remove the seekers doubts. I dont have a guru, so I post here and I get wonderful feedback from people like the chornic (It was actually one of his posts which set this whole thing in motion) and markosthegnostic who helped me unstuck when I was so badly stuck around thanksgiving (thank you markos)
and even you once in a blue moon. I'd be lying if I said nothing youve said has ever helped me.

However, it often feels as though from you I get mostly discouragement. If I had listened to you, I would have turned back and given up a long time ago. THere is something about that resonates deep within me, a certain sadness that is triggered and that is why I feel compelled to challenge you, to expose the fact that freedom is possible, that healing is possible, that awakening is possible because thats what I experience to be true and I feel like your posts are unecessarily negative. Not that I am judging you, I understand that you are simply posting based on your own experiences. I am just challenging your conclusions. But why question my motivations? Does it matter, or is this some sly attempt on your part to prove I am not awakening? And if so, why do that?




You get to feel anyway you want about what I say.  I question your motivations because this shit is of interest to me.  I get to find out if I'm correct in my assessment of your proclamations.

None of this is of much consequence to me. I'm just entertaining myself as I watch the world go by.  I figure you are old enough to take care of yourself. If you aren't then life can get rid of you early on.  It happens every second millions of times.  Nothing to get into a huff about.

  I don't see any of what I've said to you as negative. I see it as realistically skeptical of someones bold claims. I don't treat you any different than anyone else here.  As I said time will tell.  If I'm wrong then I'll check in with my beliefs and question their validity.  And that's it.:shrug:


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    #19337037 - 12/28/13 01:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Ignore is a good function :-)

Right then you don't have to hear anything that challenges your beliefs. 

Not that you will see this reply. :lol:


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    #19337076 - 12/28/13 01:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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>>>>>that is hurtful.

Beware not of Icelander. I say unto you, thou seeker... Instead beware of Deviate. Beware of Deviate! BEWARE OF DEVIATE!!!!

For Icelander can not harm your. Only Deviate can harm Deviate and thats really only the perception of harm anyway. Ego puts up the struggle. Ego feels the hurt. I have nothing left that hurts, for I am pure and holy, an enlightened buddha. For when you see me, you should kill me. Strike me down!!! That is likened unto the directions to the closest gas station, in two blocks turn left and so I say unto you, strike me down!!!! For that is the first step, to destroy the ego you must kill it where you find it. To battle like noble Arjuna, like noble Captain Ahab in his hunt for Moby Dick!!! EVER ONWARD!!!! The white whale you seek will destroy you with it!!!! And that is what the sages mean when they say they have lost everything and gained nothing. For I am nothing. I had everything but no more. For the ego will thrash for the ego will hurt for the ego will bleed. For the ego is Moby Dick and that white whale is you!!!!!!!




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    #19337077 - 12/28/13 01:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I have faith in what I see and experience.  I've never said everything is a delusion, an illusion maybe.  I think some healing can happen. I also think a lot of this sort of thing is self aggrandizing bs or frantic fear based clinging.  You have no idea how many such announcements I've heard in eight years here only to see the person crash and burn in a heap of insults and suffering.

Anyway what do you care what I think? You seem to be hell bent on convincing everyone of your authenticity.  I said time will tell didn't I? Well what's your hurry to prove me wrong?





No hurry I am simply expressing my feelings. My feelings are that first of all for me after undergoing such experiences a I am undergoing, which are uncharted waters for me, a leap into the unknown, it is only natural for me to look for external confirmation that I am on the right track. A part of me is very frigtened, frightened at the prospect of losing myself. That is the function of the guru, to remove the seekers doubts. I dont have a guru, so I post here and I get wonderful feedback from people like the chornic (It was actually one of his posts which set this whole thing in motion) and markosthegnostic who helped me unstuck when I was so badly stuck around thanksgiving (thank you markos)
and even you once in a blue moon. I'd be lying if I said nothing youve said has ever helped me.

However, it often feels as though from you I get mostly discouragement. If I had listened to you, I would have turned back and given up a long time ago. THere is something about that resonates deep within me, a certain sadness that is triggered and that is why I feel compelled to challenge you, to expose the fact that freedom is possible, that healing is possible, that awakening is possible because thats what I experience to be true and I feel like your posts are unecessarily negative. Not that I am judging you, I understand that you are simply posting based on your own experiences. I am just challenging your conclusions. But why question my motivations? Does it matter, or is this some sly attempt on your part to prove I am not awakening? And if so, why do that?




Spoiler alert!
Everyone plays their part and in the end you are left with realization that what you are is the result of everything played out exactly as it has. Everything was necessary and you feel equal gratitude to everyone, understanding that it's all one and the same essence, same intelligence, same being. No judgement, only gratitude. And then you see it's all yourself. And then it's no longer gratitude. The cosmic joke kicks in and you laugh and cry at the same time. What a prank to play on yourself.. all these years. Then you may realize that suddenly there's nobody to blame for the suffering and what you went through was by choice. There's not even forgiving, because there's nothing to forgive. A relief beyond imagination of what relief can feel like. Suddenly a burden is lifted. A burden you never knew you carried. No expectations to fulfill, no obligations toward anyone, shameful moments of the past released, everything that could haunt you gone, no regret. Bliss in the awe of perfection of it all.
But wait, this is only the introduction, I'll spare you the spoiling of the rest...

So you may as well let go of an argument with those who wish you well (Icelander), it's really not needed.


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    #19337307 - 12/28/13 02:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Ignore is a good function :-)

Right then you don't have to hear anything that challenges your beliefs. 

Not that you will see this reply. :lol:





I dont want to ignore icelander, i like him, thats why my feelings were hurt. I consider icelander a friend (i mean not like a real life friend but a shroomery buddy) and thats why I was hoping he would be happy for me th at I am happy instead of giving me what I felt was a negative, skeptical response.  I am beyond the point of having my beliefs challeneged. Beliefs are a children's arena as far as i am concerned. I am into expanding awareness, this awareness is without name and form. it exists in the total absense of beliefs, as in deep sleep and it also exists during waking. Markosthegnostic used to describe it as "transrational", it has little to do with the intellect and it doesnt need to obey the laws of logic
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    #19337348 - 12/28/13 02:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You get to feel anyway you want about what I say.  I question your motivations because this shit is of interest to me.  I get to find out if I'm correct in my assessment of your proclamations.




No you don't. How would you get to find that out? based on what? You cannot determine my internal experience based on my behavior, certainly not from a few lines of text on the shroomery. I am trying to help you question that assumption, that you are somehow in the position to judge me, it's like you want to stamp people as "enlightened"/"not enlightened" or something, according to your standards, which are simply based on your past experiences. I am not a liberated soul and just because I have undergone an awakening of sorts doesn't mean all my old quirks and and negative traits are suddenly. It doesn't mean I don't fall into the grips of my ego still. It doesn't mean a whole lot of anything behavioral wise at this time. Hopefully I will learn to integrate this new state of consciousness and rebuild my personality around it. But even if I dont (and I coudl choose not to, I could choose to spend the rest of my life watching tv. Of course I wont do that, but I could and that would prove nothing).
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None of this is of much consequence to me. I'm just entertaining myself as I watch the world go by.  I figure you are old enough to take care of yourself. If you aren't then life can get rid of you early on.  It happens every second millions of times.  Nothing to get into a huff about.

  I don't see any of what I've said to you as negative. I see it as realistically skeptical of someones bold claims. I don't treat you any different than anyone else here.  As I said time will tell.  If I'm wrong then I'll check in with my beliefs and question their validity.  And that's it.:shrug:




I am not making any bold claims though. I am not claiming to be enlightened. ALl I am claiming that spiritual practices work, for me at least. THis has been known for thousands of years. Also, the other thing you dont seem to get is that this is a personal transformation for me, its a personal awakening. My new state of consciousness might be an awareness that is actually lower than your awareness or the awareness of many other people on this planet. You see I had fallen into a very low state of consciousness because I was responding to pain and trauma in my life purely by running from it rather than facing it. I was becoming more unconscious rather than more conscious in life as a response to pain.

With the help of spiritual practices, i reversed that process. Now pain is a source of growth for me, it is making me more conscious and expanding my awareness instead of the opposite. I awakened out of the existential slumber i was in for the 10 years and remembered more or less who I was. My state right now isnt some super spiritual state, its just a remembrance of the person i wass before i started responding to life by becoming unconscious. I have finally awakened from that slumber. its unfortunate that you think you know better than i do about my own personal struggles and growth when youve never even met me.


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Deviate]
    #19337406 - 12/28/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

From where I'm standing, you seem kinda defensive.  Ice does tend to push people's buttons, granted, but I dunno.  Your posts strike me as coming from someone who is not quite secure in their beliefs and seeks to validate their spiritual ideology via approval from others, be it Tony Parsons or any other guru.

I am probably wrong however.  No offense intended of course and I only wish you happiness in your journeys.  :peace::heart:


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Deviate]
    #19337432 - 12/28/13 03:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Ignore is a good function :-)

Right then you don't have to hear anything that challenges your beliefs. 

Not that you will see this reply. :lol:





I dont want to ignore icelander, i like him, thats why my feelings were hurt. I consider icelander a friend (i mean not like a real life friend but a shroomery buddy) and thats why I was hoping he would be happy for me th at I am happy instead of giving me what I felt was a negative, skeptical response.  I am beyond the point of having my beliefs challeneged. Beliefs are a children's arena as far as i am concerned. I am into expanding awareness, this awareness is without name and form. it exists in the total absense of beliefs, as in deep sleep and it also exists during waking. Markosthegnostic used to describe it as "transrational", it has little to do with the intellect and it doesnt need to obey the laws of logic
but its not irrational either.




How come this reply is addressed to me when you are not supposedly speaking to me?  Is this meant to shame me? If so I'm not ashamed because I have done nothing to be ashamed of.  I've challenged you dozens of times before and we have remained friendly. How is this any different?  I told you I'm in no way trying to bring you down. I'm expressing my skepticism that what you are posting today is any different than any other day you've posted on your spiritual beliefs.  We can, imo, agree to disagree and still remain friends.  At least on my end we can. 

Let me say this if it helps.  Am I glad you had a ego meltdown and came out of it feeling good?  Yes I am.


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: deCypher]
    #19337442 - 12/28/13 03:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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From where I'm standing, you seem kinda defensive.  Ice does tend to push people's buttons, granted, but I dunno.  Your posts strike me as coming from someone who is not quite secure in their beliefs and seeks to validate their spiritual ideology via approval from others, be it Tony Parsons or any other guru.

I am probably wrong however.  No offense intended of course and I only wish you happiness in your journeys.  :peace::heart:




I take severe umbrage at your disparaging remarks. :hissyfit: I have never pushed anyones button here ever. :nono: I did want to push Penelope Trees button once but she was, unfortunately, in another state. :sad:


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: deCypher]
    #19337819 - 12/28/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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From where I'm standing, you seem kinda defensive.  Ice does tend to push people's buttons, granted, but I dunno.  Your posts strike me as coming from someone who is not quite secure in their beliefs and seeks to validate their spiritual ideology via approval from others, be it Tony Parsons or any other guru.

I am probably wrong however.  No offense intended of course and I only wish you happiness in your journeys.  :peace::heart:




That's makes little sense decypher, if you thought what you were posting is probably wrong then why would you post it?

Although icelanders purpose may not be immediate obvious, he does have one. I mean he pointed right at the ego, didn't he?

Grats to deviate for finding a path that is working for him.

What path are you taking deviate?


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: teknix]
    #19338864 - 12/28/13 08:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

My disagreement with ice is basically just a matter of me getting annoyed with the fact that people (especially icelander) think that by pointing out the fact that I have an ego, that I get can defensive, seem insecure, etc, that that somehow proves something or other in regard to my spirituality.
It just gets annoying. I never claimed to be ego free. Quite the contrary, I generally come here when I desire to express what remains of my ego.

Being able to experience high states of consciousness while in sitting meditation, is quite a different story from being able to maintain them through all life situations, especially discussions with a bunch of other egos. Just because I have not reached that level of mastery yet in no way means that I have not grown deeply as a person.

So I get frustrated at that repeated stupidity of these kind of posts where someone says "oh, sounds like youre getting defensive here. Looks like you're not so enlightened afterall". It's so stupid. You cant judge my internal state based on how I behave here, because like I said, I tend to express ego here and I dont see anything wrong with that either, nor I do see anything wrong with me being sick of the reactions. This way of judging people reflects such a poor understanding of growth in conciousness that it makes me absolutely cringe the same way an english teacher might cringe at the grammar of some of their students. It probably says a lot more about the person making the judgement than the person being judged.

I really think the attitude that "if you're a spiritual person, then you cannot display ego or human emotion, you have to be some aloof spiritual superhero unaffected by everything" is a really unhealthy attitude to have on this forum and thats why I speak out against it.


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Icelander]
    #19338924 - 12/28/13 09:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Icelander said:
Ignore is a good function :-)

Right then you don't have to hear anything that challenges your beliefs. 

Not that you will see this reply. :lol:





I dont want to ignore icelander, i like him, thats why my feelings were hurt. I consider icelander a friend (i mean not like a real life friend but a shroomery buddy) and thats why I was hoping he would be happy for me th at I am happy instead of giving me what I felt was a negative, skeptical response.  I am beyond the point of having my beliefs challeneged. Beliefs are a children's arena as far as i am concerned. I am into expanding awareness, this awareness is without name and form. it exists in the total absense of beliefs, as in deep sleep and it also exists during waking. Markosthegnostic used to describe it as "transrational", it has little to do with the intellect and it doesnt need to obey the laws of logic
but its not irrational either.




How come this reply is addressed to me when you are not supposedly speaking to me?  Is this meant to shame me? If so I'm not ashamed because I have done nothing to be ashamed of.  I've challenged you dozens of times before and we have remained friendly. How is this any different?  I told you I'm in no way trying to bring you down. I'm expressing my skepticism that what you are posting today is any different than any other day you've posted on your spiritual beliefs.  We can, imo, agree to disagree and still remain friends.  At least on my end we can. 

Let me say this if it helps.  Am I glad you had a ego meltdown and came out of it feeling good?  Yes I am.




Sorry I should have spoken about you without addressing it to you, that was rude and I apologize. It wont happen again. I was upset with you, because I felt your original post in this thread was simply unnecessary.


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Deviate]
    #19339009 - 12/28/13 09:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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My disagreement with ice is basically just a matter of me getting annoyed with the fact that people (especially icelander) think that by pointing out the fact that I have an ego, that I get can defensive, seem insecure, etc, that that somehow proves something or other in regard to my spirituality.
It just gets annoying. I never claimed to be ego free. Quite the contrary, I generally come here when I desire to express what remains of my ego.

Being able to experience high states of consciousness while in sitting meditation, is quite a different story from being able to maintain them through all life situations, especially discussions with a bunch of other egos. Just because I have not reached that level of mastery yet in no way means that I have not grown deeply as a person.

So I get frustrated at that repeated stupidity of these kind of posts where someone says "oh, sounds like youre getting defensive here. Looks like you're not so enlightened afterall". It's so stupid. You cant judge my internal state based on how I behave here, because like I said, I tend to express ego here and I dont see anything wrong with that either, nor I do see anything wrong with me being sick of the reactions. This way of judging people reflects such a poor understanding of growth in conciousness that it makes me absolutely cringe the same way an english teacher might cringe at the grammar of some of their students. It probably says a lot more about the person making the judgement than the person being judged.

I really think the attitude that "if you're a spiritual person, then you cannot display ego or human emotion, you have to be some aloof spiritual superhero unaffected by everything" is a really unhealthy attitude to have on this forum and thats why I speak out against it.





You cant judge my internal state based on how I behave here

Certainly can, in fact it's the only way we can access your internal state.  And I've never claimed anywhere that one cannot have an ego and be spiritual.  But I do think that the state of your ego is a pretty good reflection of where you are at spiritually.  What you say about yourself will always be suspect if it doesn't jibe with your actions here. Personally I didn't get how anything was any different than all your previous posts.  You've claimed to be a spiritual person and that assumes some type of being awakened does it not.  Or what have you been posting up to this point?  I see no difference between you then and now.  Your attitude is basically the same.  Your stance is basically the same as are your beliefs.  I really even now have no idea what you've been going on about.  I've always seen you as someone who's spiritually awakening so I just don't get what you mean by "it's finally happening".  It's been happening all along.  Nothing you've posted here is fundamentally different than anything you've posted about your spirituality in the  past.  I really don't get what you are going on about unless your past has been one big sham.


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Icelander]
    #19339221 - 12/28/13 10:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I explained what happened, I developed a conscious connection to my inner self. Whereas before, often times meditation was a painful struggle with a angry, rowdy, undisciplined outgoing mind, meditation now comes a lot easier to me and feels more centered and peaceful rather than feeling like I am completely at war with myself. You are right that I was awakening before this, the difference is that before this my spiritual practice were causing me more pain than gain. Now I am beginning to experience some of the fruits of awakening. Its a big difference from my perspective.

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Certainly can, in fact it's the only way we can access your internal state.




That's my point, if the only way you have of knowing anything about me is a few lines of text on shroomery you can't be very a logical minded person if you honestly believe you can assess subtle changes in my consciousness through comparing my posts today to my posts yesterday. Thats the most absurd thing Ive ever heard you say. It rests on a number of faulty assumptions. I am not saying you cant tell anything about my internal state from my posts, I am saying you cannot judge subtle changes. For instance, you have absolutely no way of knowing whether I have an increased conscious connection with my inner self today than I did yesterday simply through reading my posts, unless you are claiming to be some kind of psychic reader. Lets look at some of these assumptions that would need to be true in order for you to be able to do as you claim:

1) all changes in consciousness must immediately lead to major behavioral changes - absolutely false

2) spiritual people always behave in a certain way - again, false

3)  there is always a marked and obvious difference in someone's behavior after they've undergone a spiritual transformation. - false.

Of course, in a person as emotionally unhealthy as I was, I would hope and expect that becoming more conscious of my self would lead to major changes in behavior. but still, that doesn't happen overnight, the changes must me implemented and integrated first.


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Deviate]
    #19339258 - 12/28/13 10:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I did spiritual practice and as a result the ego has begun to dissolve and lose it's group over the pure being that is simply shedding light on the action the brain typing this. I still have a great deal of counter-egoic work to do before I am totally free, but I have found the connection to my inner self, that I had so deeply longed for, and now I know that as long as I keep paying attention to, and obeying my deepest wisdom, everything will turn out beautifully.

Today, I thank the Lord for his mercy.




If you truly believe you are just now beginning to awaken I'm happy for you..But I think we are forever/continuously awakening until this whole charade ends..

Ida thought you'da thought to be beyond beginning to awaken by this point in your life.
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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Deviate] * 1
    #19339310 - 12/28/13 10:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

That's my point, if the only way you have of knowing anything about me is a few lines of text on shroomery you can't be very a logical minded person if you honestly believe you can assess subtle changes in my consciousness through comparing my posts today to my posts yesterday. Thats the most absurd thing Ive ever heard you say.

So why did you post?  Do you just want accolades?  Are we supposed to jump up and down.  You post here then be ready for what others are going to say.  Jumping up and down just because someone else is excited ain't my style. I took my best shot based on what you presented. It didn't and doesn't look like anything to me and the more you defend it the more it looks like more of the same.  As I've said to you continually :tongue: time is going to tell. If that's not good enough for you then tuff. I'm not here to kiss your ass.  To me it looked like what I said it looked like in my earlier post. Someone bragging that they had a new perfect gf or they just won the lottery.  If I'm wrong time will bear that out. If I'm right then it will just be more of this nonsense. :shrug: And frankly I could care less if you think I'm logical.  I've stated many times I think your thought process on many issues is not so we are not going to agree on what logic consists of.  That's just the way it goes.


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Icelander]
    #19339346 - 12/28/13 10:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I already explained why I posted. To make known my experience that spiritual practices bear fruit in season. How many times do I need to tell you that?

The whole notion that you can assess the truth or falsehood of that claim through reading my posts, is very misguided.


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Deviate]
    #19339432 - 12/28/13 10:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You posted a claim and why would I take your word on it without a shred of evidence?  How would that be logical?  What if you're wrong?

I could care less that you think that is misguided.  I don't think anything much has happened to you and I've said so.  If you don't like that then just move on.  I've spent eight years here making my best guess about what others are about based on their posts since that's all I have to go on.  It's kind of how forums work.  I'm not going to change that now because you're upset. 

I've responded to your OP in the very same way I've responded to every post you've made that has been of interest to me. It seems to me you're all upset over nothing but my opinion. That's not my problem. My suggestion is to realize that I'm just not going to take your word as gold.


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Icelander] * 1
    #19339804 - 12/29/13 12:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not upset anymore, I am trying to help you see past the very limited way you seem to have at looking at spirituality. Why am I doing this? I like a challenge.

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You posted a claim and why would I take your word on it without a shred of evidence?  How would that be logical?  What if you're wrong?




These all strike me as very odd questions. Who said that you had to take my word for it? Why would you want evidence? You see, I look at this as I am sharing my experience. You look at it as though my experience is somehow a challenge to you, as though it's something you have to discredit or at the very least accept or deny. That is what strikes me as odd. Why cant you just file away in your brain "ok, this guy said he had such and such an experience" why even respond? You dont need to have an opinion on everything. You dont need to file everything under the categories of true and false. Live a little. Expand your horizons.


The other issue I see in you, is you seem to have an odd tendency to look to others and form your opinions on spiritual topics based on other people and their experiences. This is a total dead end.

if you look at the difference between my posts and your posts there is a huge fundamental divide along this line: you seem concerned with the experiences of others, whereas I am primarily concerned with my own experiences. I dont care very much at all about the spiritual experiences of others. Thats because this entirely a personal journey. You are making a huge mistake, imo, in imagining that my experience is something outside you  that you need to relate to, that you need to judge as true or false, or that you would actually ask for evidence about. That is laughable.  I just want you to know that we are in different universes in our thinking about this. It would never even occur to me to ask someone for evidence on a matter like this. Why would you even care? What is someone elses state to me? Why should I care about someone elses state? Its none of my business. If they want to share something about how they experience the spiritual path, great, I may read their account and file it away somewhere but it would never, ever occur to me to ask for "evidence" or to look for objective facts or truth in someone's subjective account. Cant you see that this is entirely relative and subjective?  You clearly want hard facts, you want tangible evidence of the intangible and for what reason? It's not the fact that you dont think anything much has happened that bothers me, its your whole way looking at this that I see  as being very rigid and limiting and I want to encourage you to move beyond it. In the case of what you think of my experience, we are talking about a subjective secondhand opinion about something that was completely subjective to begin with. How can you see value in that? what are your goals in directing your thoughts in this way?

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My suggestion is to realize that I'm just not going to take your word as gold.




Taking my word as gold is the last thing I want you to do. I want you to give up the idea that my experiences have any relevance to you whatsoever. thats why your request for evidence seems so absurd to me, its based off the assumption that my experience has some relevance to you, which I see as absurd.

So this actually runs deeper than me getting my feelings hurt over your unkind response, its really a matter of me taking an interest in how incredibly different our ways of understanding experience are and my suggestion to you, to move beyond what i see as some very limiting assumptions you began clinging to at some point or other in your life.


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Deviate] * 1
    #19339874 - 12/29/13 01:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You got this deviate!

Gimme a D!
Gimme a E!
Gimme a V!
Gimme a I!
Gimme a A!
Gimme a T!
Gimme a E!

What's that spell?

DEVIATE!

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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Deviate] * 1
    #19339910 - 12/29/13 01:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I really think the attitude that "if you're a spiritual person, then you cannot display ego or human emotion, you have to be some aloof spiritual superhero unaffected by everything" is a really unhealthy attitude to have on this forum and thats why I speak out against it.




That sounds like a very harmful attitude, but I have yet to come across it here...I get the sense that ya'll are talking past one another. :shrug:


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Deviate]
    #19340344 - 12/29/13 05:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

And on and on it goes.  As I've stated here many times I post at the shroomery as entertainment.  I like to engage with all this stuff but hardly take it seriously at the end. I've been over this too many times with too many people. I know the drill.

  I've seen you comment on other peoples beliefs here and what I do is no different.  If you are concerned only with your own spiritual journey I really don't see why you bother to comment on other peoples ideas, which you do. You engage in debate often here.  So I don't think you really mean what you are saying to me.  Sounds good to you at the moment but if you look back at your posting history you'll see it's not the truth.


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Icelander]
    #19340389 - 12/29/13 06:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Spiritual awakening.. oh just hang on there... it gets better...

please, you ought to know.. even though you know what you are saying is wrong, you ought to use these annoying words anyway.. it isnt about being accurate, but understandable.. to communicate with the pheasant humans you must simplify things in a demeaning mAnner... (not that you ought to be demeaning, but the length of which you must go to simplify it is)

Ppems are boats in utter rectangles.. they wapr and roam through wood. Dried and painted the woodwork is fine.. for the woodwork is line.. with yellow patterns they are emeralds of the sea... they dingle a river, many a boat.. come here come here.. my shade of girl.. so green so green.. lips they are soft or either down..


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Icyus]
    #19340474 - 12/29/13 06:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Spiritual awakening.. oh just hang on there... it gets better...






Kratom?


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Deviate]
    #19343466 - 12/29/13 08:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)



SET ME FREE!


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Deviate]
    #19343571 - 12/29/13 09:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)


edit: posted the wrong song :p

BE HAPPY

LIFE'S TOO SHORT TO WORRY EVERYDAY

JUST CRUISE..............

JUST CRUISE.............

AND GO WITH THE FLOW

SO PEOPLE KNOW

YOU ARE HAPPY!


SMILE AND BE HAPPY

DON'T LET NOBODY TAKE YOUR SMILE AWAY

LIVE LIFE TO THE FULLEST

AS IF YOU DYING EVERYDAY!


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"Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."


"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions."
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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Sse]
    #19344328 - 12/30/13 12:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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SET ME FREE!




I got more a diva vibe...

"Finally it has happened to me right in front of my face and
I just can not hide it

Meeting Mr. Right, the man of my dreams :pope:
The one who shows me true love or at least it seems"



or Set Me Free Why Don't You Babe, Get Out My Life Why Don't Ya Babe, 'Cuz Ya don't really love me, Ya Just Keep Me Hagnin' Onnnnn...




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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Icelander]
    #19344575 - 12/30/13 01:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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And on and on it goes.  As I've stated here many times I post at the shroomery as entertainment.  I like to engage with all this stuff but hardly take it seriously at the end. I've been over this too many times with too many people. I know the drill.

  I've seen you comment on other peoples beliefs here and what I do is no different.  If you are concerned only with your own spiritual journey I really don't see why you bother to comment on other peoples ideas, which you do. You engage in debate often here.  So I don't think you really mean what you are saying to me.  Sounds good to you at the moment but if you look back at your posting history you'll see it's not the truth.




Your response indicates that you have closed down, you have no desire to look at yourself and question whether I may be right in pointing out that you may be operating under a faulty set of assumptions.

That's perfectly ok of course, you have every right to close down, I certainly close down a lot also.

Btw, saying that i also comment on peoples experiences so we are no different has absolutely no baring on whether or not you are making false assumptions here.

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If you are concerned only with your own spiritual journey I really don't see why you bother to comment on other peoples ideas




Does it really matter why? I take an interest int the spiritual experiences of other people also, however the truth is within me, I dont ask other people to provide evidence or proof of their experiences or expect them to convince me of their validity.

And like I said the problem isnt so much judging in itself, it is natural for the mind to judge, it helps us to survive. The problem arises when we get lost in our judgments and begin living a limited world of name and form created entirely by our minds  which work like a computer. Most human being live in a finite, limited experiential world of name and form, almost totally obvious to their own natural state of being which underlies all of the judgments being made. It is the "substratem" or our own true nature and its own true nature is bliss amazingly enough.


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Deviate]
    #19345350 - 12/30/13 07:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Btw, saying that i also comment on peoples experiences so we are no different has absolutely no baring on whether or not you are making false assumptions here.

That may be true but it does have a bearing on the hypocrisy of your initial statement which is what I was pointing out to you.

I really don't think I'm shut down much at all these days. In fact I'm more open to possibilities than I ever have been maybe.  At least if my dreams lately are any indication.  But I am realistic about what I'm being open to. I believe you may not be there. 

But maybe you are. :shrug:  I'm certainly open to that possibility.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Icelander]
    #19345396 - 12/30/13 08:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

My practice at this time is to be open to whatever the good Lord has in store for me, be it good, bad, wonderful, terrible, beautiful, ugly, neutral, humorous, etc. This kind of openness is beyond concepts like realistic and unrealistc, both of which are judgments imposed on reality by the mind.

The whole of all this is that everything is ok until we start we begin judging everything (which is ok also) and then get lost in our judgements (which is not ok in the sense that it causes us to suffer).

When we live in a reality created by our judgements, our thoughts and feelings about our lives instead of living in the pure experience of the life process freely unfolding, then our life becomes limited and restricted. This is what creates a feeling of lack.

Now this idea of eveything being ok originally is called God in Christianity, Buddha nature in (you guessed it) Buddhism and Tao in (you guessed it again) Taoism. Out of all these religions, Christianity, in my opinion, gives the best mythological explanation for why things feel not ok (the fruit of knowledge of good and evil, that ancient serpent who tempted our ancestors in the garden).

Its really a brilliant concept because when you have true faith in this, it has the potential to really transform your life experience.


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Deviate]
    #19345527 - 12/30/13 09:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well that's nice and easy when you are feeling up and positive but just a few days ago you were singing a different tune.

But lets say this has all changed with your recent experience.  That's amazing then if you can now live that out.  I'll be watching. Not to see you fail but to see if this kind of transformation can really happen quickly.  I haven't seen it before in all my cranky old years but I'm going to be pulling for you, and watching.  And I'm not saying you have to be perfect but I'd really like to see some more joy in your daily experience. Because if acceptance has no benefit to our emotional states then I might not see the worth of it.

Best of luck.  It does weird me out when you say lord though and that's maybe just a personal hang up but it sounds so male and  patriarchal and all that.  I prefer myself just letting that big mystery be more Tao like in character but that's me and a long negative history with my cultural religious upbringing.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Deviate]
    #19345549 - 12/30/13 09:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'd like to share my little dream last night without going into great detail.

In brief there was a mother who was terribly abusing her young male child emotionally and physically.  It was very painful to watch, terrible and terrifying actually but I knew I was in no position to remedy the situation so I just walked away.  Now usually my feeling in that dream situation would be rage and hatred toward the mother  but while there was a feeling of some anger it was not directed towards her. Instead an internal dialog took place and I found myself expressing a deep  empathy for this woman telling myself she must be in an immense amount of pain and suffering to treat her own child in such a fashion. I felt a deep outpouring of love and empathy for both of them at that moment.  I awoke with the realization that I had taken another tiny step in my own evolution and felt peaceful and then the thought occurred to me that I should always try to view my own drama with that same compassion, acceptance and love because I was also suffering in the same fashion.

So I do think I'm not as shut down as I appear to you. :shrug:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Deviate]
    #19345586 - 12/30/13 09:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I dont subscribe to coincidences :smile:
Everything seems to happen at the right time for a reason

Acceptance is good, I believe in god too
I believe buddhism, taoism describes it well too

Buddha nature, god consciousness etc.

If you havent already met many at your own level
Let the creativity flow, accept the love each day too :-)

Remember who you are, why you are here etc.
Same inside always

Most people I know are christian, muslim, buddhistic/practice yoga
Or very open in general
But know a few taking their phd too
What unites? Doing what they love each day
Worship god, meditate, help others, learn new, experience each day


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19346356 - 12/30/13 01:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:tongue2:

meant for this song to be in there


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"Springs of water welling from the fire"

"Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Deviate]
    #19347930 - 12/30/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Me too. It is just knowing that I am a beast, that will never add up to more than a pile of shit, so regardless of what spiritual rubbish is sucking me in, I'll always be a creature obsessed with escaping the pain through drugs, sex and shallow culture. Just stop fucking trying to rise above.


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Icelander]
    #19349816 - 12/31/13 03:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I'd like to share my little dream last night without going into great detail.

In brief there was a mother who was terribly abusing her young male child emotionally and physically.  It was very painful to watch, terrible and terrifying actually but I knew I was in no position to remedy the situation so I just walked away.  Now usually my feeling in that dream situation would be rage and hatred toward the mother  but while there was a feeling of some anger it was not directed towards her. Instead an internal dialog took place and I found myself expressing a deep  empathy for this woman telling myself she must be in an immense amount of pain and suffering to treat her own child in such a fashion. I felt a deep outpouring of love and empathy for both of them at that moment.  I awoke with the realization that I had taken another tiny step in my own evolution and felt peaceful and then the thought occurred to me that I should always try to view my own drama with that same compassion, acceptance and love because I was also suffering in the same fashion.

So I do think I'm not as shut down as I appear to you. :shrug:





Do you think that experience might help you bond on some level with those you otherwise would have judged because their actions rubbed you the wrong way, particularly when such actions were far less severe than child abuse?


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19350192 - 12/31/13 08:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well yeah I think so.  I'm much less inclined to just hate people who do ugly things.  Hating them only hurts me. It's a buzz killer.


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Icelander]
    #19350241 - 12/31/13 08:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So you've realized something deeper about forgiveness -- which, ironically, is something continuously preached by Christians, yet seldom, if ever, practiced.


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19350521 - 12/31/13 10:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I've known this for a long time and worked on it with little success but it seems finally I'm beginning to be able to practice it in the moment.  I think that fuckin rocks. I must be getting near the end of the journey.:thumbup:


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: Icelander]
    #19350560 - 12/31/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Compassion and love is in the same vicinity.


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Re: Well, it's finally happening to me now, spiritual awakening [Re: teknix]
    #19350999 - 12/31/13 12:34 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

On and on and on

this too shall pass



G-Whizz - Life
Intro
Umm, ah life, ah life
Tj ah jus life,
Ghetto youths neva give up di fight
G whizz dat ahh!

Chorus
Mi life soon sort out
So mi nuh worry
Umm, my life soon happy
Nuh matta wah dem talk bout
Nuh move crabby
Umm, nuh watch nuh badmind nuh body



Chorus
Mi life soon sort out
So mi nuh worry
Umm, my life soon happy
Nuh matta wah dem talk bout
Nuh move crabby
Umm, nuh watch nuh badmind nuh body



Chorus
Mi life soon sort out
So mi nuh worry
Umm, my life soon happy
Nuh matta wah dem talk bout
Nuh move crabby
Umm, nuh watch nuh badmind nuh body


Bridge
Tj
Umm ah life ah life
Umm ah juss life
G-Whizz neva give up di fight
I go on an on an on
Umm ah life, umm ah juss life
Ghetto youths neva give up di fight
Me dat!

Chorus
Mi life soon sort out
So mi nuh worry
Umm, my life soon happy
Nuh matta wah dem talk bout
Nuh move crabby
Umm, mi nah badmind nuh body

Nuh mek nuh body trick yuh n come fool up yuh head
Cah life soon sort out so mi nuh worry
Umm, yea my life soon happy
Mi life soon sort out
So mi nuh worry
Umm, my life soon happy
Nuh matta wah dem chat bout
Nuh move crabby
Umm, mi nah badmind nuh body

Nuh mek nuh bwoy trick yuh n come fool up yuh head
Cah life soon sort out
Umm, yea my life soon happy, soon happy soon happy

Ghana Reggae: Friction ft. Guru- Life is Not Easy (2013)

I know one day its gonna be ok
I know one day its gonna be alright
Life is how you make it
What goes around comes around

I Wayne - Life Seeds (Video) [HD]


Life... Seeds I Sew
Bomb Dutty Babylon Ah Bury
Cool As Di Breeze I Ah Flow
So Irie And Merry
To PERFECTION Life Trees Grow


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"Springs of water welling from the fire"

"Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."


"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions."
-Thich Nhat Hanh
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"Experience always goes beyond ideas"


Edited by Sse (12/31/13 12:45 PM)


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