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TopPmz
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Do you think animals are conscious beings?
#19335550 - 12/28/13 04:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Personally, yes. And my reasoning is very simple. Some animals, usually domesticated (cats, dogs, etc.), clearly show distinct personalities. I challenge anyone to meet my dog and claim otherwise.
In order to have personality, one must have conscious thought. Perhaps only domesticated animals have personalities, and are therefore conscious. It could be the result of living with humans for generations, and adapting to that environment. Even without evolutionary theory this is plausible, as a fairly recent study proved that memories (mostly intense memories like fear), can be passed genetically from parent to offspring.
Discuss.
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Re: Do you think animals are conscious beings? [Re: TopPmz]
#19335560 - 12/28/13 04:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Some mammals, maybe. I think it's a little far fetched, though.
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Re: Do you think animals are conscious beings? [Re: TopPmz]
#19335561 - 12/28/13 04:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'd actually be disturbed to meet someone who doesn't think this, especially domestic animals.
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Re: Do you think animals are conscious beings? [Re: Sanpedrox]
#19335563 - 12/28/13 04:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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What if its a person that doesn't like, or own animals? It'd be understandable for them to not believe it because they're biased, and don't get much firsthand experience. My family are mostly bible thumpers. They're not allowed to believe animals are conscious beings because that would mean they have an eternal soul, and are on the same level as humans. Luckily for me, I'm not a Christian, so I'm allowed to believe what I see with my eyes.
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Re: Do you think animals are conscious beings? [Re: TopPmz]
#19335570 - 12/28/13 04:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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TopPmz said: What if its a person that doesn't like, or own animals? It'd be understandable for them to not believe it because they're biased, and don't get much firsthand experience. My family are mostly bible thumpers. They're not allowed to believe animals are conscious beings because that would mean they have an eternal soul, and are on the same level as humans. Luckily for me, I'm not a Christian, so I'm allowed to believe what I see with my eyes.
Tell your family to test there religion by having a pet dog/cat.
Watch them question their religion.
I love domestic animals, they are all unique with their on personality, guarantee any person with animals will say the same thing.
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Re: Do you think animals are conscious beings? [Re: Sanpedrox]
#19335576 - 12/28/13 04:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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No they are robots
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Re: Do you think animals are conscious beings? [Re: ScriabinAnime]
#19335580 - 12/28/13 04:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Do you think animals are conscious beings? [Re: TopPmz]
#19335585 - 12/28/13 04:50 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Of course they are, even a fly. No animal could function if it wasnt a point of consciousness hooked up to senses feeding it data about the environment.
Where does that eyesight, sense of hearing, smell and touch go to, but to a point of consciousness to make executive decisions?
Its only natural.
Cats, dogs, rabbits, dream. That would make no sense without it being a conscious being.
Granted, flies arent the brightest bulb in the christmas tree, look at how they get trapped by windows, its retarded. But try to swat one and witness lightning quick split second sensory-cognitive-motoric decisionmaking at work.
Are they conscious beings? Is like asking, does this computer have an operating system? It functions, so yes. Unless you are a creationist instinct still requires a learning process to have become ingrained.
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Re: Do you think animals are conscious beings? [Re: Asante]
#19335587 - 12/28/13 04:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Animals dont have souls is the most ignorant statement I've ever heard.
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Re: Do you think animals are conscious beings? [Re: highc]
#19335589 - 12/28/13 04:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Its just a justification for animal abuse. "aww they dont feel it" No, thats why they're shrieking and frantically thrashing about in anguish.
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Re: Do you think animals are conscious beings? [Re: ScriabinAnime]
#19335593 - 12/28/13 05:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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SPX: some of them have, or have had pets. They're very devout. If the authors of that book say god told them something, that's the way it is. It doesn't matter what you witness to the contrary. That's just Satan testing you.
Wiccan: That was beautifully explained. But I think its definitely more perceivable in domesticated animals. Maybe even more present, simply because they don't have to fend for themselves. They live on more than just survival instinct.
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Re: Do you think animals are conscious beings? [Re: Asante]
#19335599 - 12/28/13 05:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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highc said: Animals dont have souls is the most ignorant statement I've ever heard.
I don't believe that, but ask any "good Christian." Animals have no souls.
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Wiccan_Seeker said: Its just a justification for animal abuse. "aww they dont feel it" No, thats why they're shrieking and frantically thrashing about in anguish. 
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Re: Do you think animals are conscious beings? [Re: TopPmz]
#19335608 - 12/28/13 05:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Do you think animals are conscious beings? [Re: seadragon]
#19335610 - 12/28/13 05:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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but they taste so good
So do humans. Ever had a serving of fried girl's ass? delicious, especially if she used to be one of those aerobics types.
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Re: Do you think animals are conscious beings? [Re: TopPmz]
#19335611 - 12/28/13 05:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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What would they be if they weren't conscious? Wild animals just think differently than us. Horses have been trained to paint mountain landscapes that they see with their eyes. I'd say that takes some degree of consciousness.
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Re: Do you think animals are conscious beings? [Re: Hobozen]
#19335613 - 12/28/13 05:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Everything is consciouss, i think...
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Re: Do you think animals are conscious beings? [Re: Icyus]
#19335614 - 12/28/13 05:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Unless we are using the definition based on Freud's topographic model.
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Re: Do you think animals are conscious beings? [Re: Icyus]
#19335616 - 12/28/13 05:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icyus said: Everything is consciouss, i think...
My toilet actually gives me a humiliated look when I flush.
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Re: Do you think animals are conscious beings? [Re: Asante]
#19335621 - 12/28/13 05:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
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Icyus said: Everything is consciouss, i think...
My toilet actually gives me a humiliated look when I flush.
Mine too. Also, my mirror blushes when I get out of the shower.
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Re: Do you think animals are conscious beings? [Re: Sanpedrox]
#19335623 - 12/28/13 05:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sanpedrox said: I'd actually be disturbed to meet someone who doesn't think this, especially domestic animals.

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Re: Do you think animals are conscious beings? [Re: Lord_McLovin]
#19335629 - 12/28/13 05:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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It is but a colloctive, or even personal self defence mecanism in some.." they are idiots, and would believe a thing because they wish it to be true, or fear it is". (This is purely a qoute)
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Re: Do you think animals are conscious beings? [Re: Lord_McLovin]
#19335631 - 12/28/13 05:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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calm down wiccan i was trolling
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Re: Do you think animals are conscious beings? [Re: TopPmz]
#19335632 - 12/28/13 05:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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TopPmz said:
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highc said: Animals dont have souls is the most ignorant statement I've ever heard.
I don't believe that, but ask any "good Christian." Animals have no souls.
Actually one of the more recent popes since the one that declared animals soulless has since changed his mind and gave animals their souls back
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Re: Do you think animals are conscious beings? [Re: seadragon]
#19335640 - 12/28/13 05:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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But I like ranting and raving over small matters  Beats worrying over the big issues I'm facing
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Re: Do you think animals are conscious beings? [Re: Asante]
#19335644 - 12/28/13 05:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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animals taste horrible btw
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Re: Do you think animals are conscious beings? [Re: seadragon]
#19335651 - 12/28/13 05:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Into The Woods said:
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TopPmz said:
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highc said: Animals dont have souls is the most ignorant statement I've ever heard.
I don't believe that, but ask any "good Christian." Animals have no souls.
Actually one of the more recent popes since the one that declared animals soulless has since changed his mind and gave animals their souls back 
Protestant Christians don't give a shit what the pope says.
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seadragon said: animals taste horrible btw
No way.
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Re: Do you think animals are conscious beings? [Re: TopPmz]
#19335654 - 12/28/13 05:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Do you think animals are conscious beings? [Re: seadragon]
#19335682 - 12/28/13 05:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I wrote a paragraph two on why everything is alive, and furthermore why everything has souls... cannot find it though, it soundedsometjing like this:
No, animals do not have souls, humansouls atleast.. they have animalssouls(if one may say so), a part designated to genetics and a part to tbeir eating habits, making up an identity, variable as it may be.. the soul is constant, even though it may be shattered...
more so, being demeaning towards animals, plants and simple materials i think the greatest of idiocy.. we are so aware as humans, of our simple excuse for a reality atleast... the animals might see the whole alot better, as their spirit isnt so tightly bound into these small vessels... more so, a rock might be the manifestation, or symbol if you may of a ressonating energy.. being but a symbol in this world, yet a clear, feelingthing(which doesnt have a word...ie, a variation of nothingness) even so, when we trawel to this place(s) we are nothing.. which makes you wonder.. who has the right to be condecending then? And furthermore, atleast few "lesser creatures", as such a human would say, would ever be condecending, but rather respecting of our ignorance..
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