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OfflineGreySatyr
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Re: Are psychedelics safer in large doses ? [Re: Galaxytripper]
    #19330180 - 12/26/13 07:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Weight measures the weight of the shrooms, not the psilocybin. Unless we have a way to measure that, we don't have a reliable way to to measure dosage.




That's my point...

Weight is the most reliable way. Generally a certain species contains a certain amount of active ingredient, average that by weight and you have a fairly accurate dosage. It's more common to have weak shrooms than super powered fly to the moon shrooms.


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Re: Are psychedelics safer in large doses ? [Re: GoldenEye]
    #19330442 - 12/26/13 08:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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It's never the peak that's difficult. It's always the onset or the comedown. The shoulders. I think this is not dependent on dose. Whatever dose you have, it'll have to come on (stronger would be easier due to sheer speed of onset but also more terrifying due to this) and you'll have to come down.





I agree with the peak being more pleasant than the come up, but the come down? I think that's the most pleasant part. In my experience, the comedown is filled with immense euphoria and giddiness. The onset is the only part that I feel sucks about a mushroom trip. I get nauseous and antsy.

The whole experience reminds me of when I first started going on rollercoasters. Waiting in line and coming up  the roller coaster was always filled with nervousness and fear. The drop itself (the peak), would be intense, but intense to the point where I forgot to feel fear, and after the drop and the ride (the comedown) I felt a rush of excitement that made me want to do it again.

But it's subjective.


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Re: Are psychedelics safer in large doses ? [Re: DennisWilson420]
    #19331535 - 12/27/13 02:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I've had some of the best comedowns too.

All I was saying is that if there are problems, they are, for me at least, never on the peak.

If there are problems it is either a problem of letting go (onset) or integration (comedown) or embracing a new lesson or feeling (comedown).

Usually I have good trips and coming down is also very pleasant because you can start to do more and more things whilst still tapping into that psychedelic mindstate.


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Re: Are psychedelics safer in large doses ? [Re: DennisWilson420]
    #19331740 - 12/27/13 04:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think the onset is awesome, you get this overwhelming rush of euphoria that gets more and more intense until you peak.


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Re: Are psychedelics safer in large doses ? [Re: Zarotti]
    #19331765 - 12/27/13 05:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

No.


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Re: Are psychedelics safer in large doses ? [Re: Aopocetx]
    #19331836 - 12/27/13 05:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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GoldenEye said:
It's never the peak that's difficult. It's always the onset or the comedown. The shoulders. I think this is not dependent on dose. Whatever dose you have, it'll have to come on (stronger would be easier due to sheer speed of onset but also more terrifying due to this) and you'll have to come down.




I actually came here to post this. Yeah, on a large dose you might trip out so hard that only after you will be like "whoa." But when you start coming down a little is when you have the potential to start thinking negative thoughts, etc. I find that (this goes for any trip) if you notice yourself thinking about something bad, tell yourself that this is not the time to be thinking about it and move on to something positive. Whatever thought you focus on is gonna get intensified. It's different if you actually trip IN ORDER to solve those problems, however.




That's how I felt the other night. I would be feeling so amazing, then if a bad thought or memory would start to come into my mind, I would quickly go back to what was positive. Good advice.


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Re: Are psychedelics safer in large doses ? [Re: Zarotti]
    #19331857 - 12/27/13 06:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I read this - Is it true?

I think psychedelics are safer in large doses(i'm not talking about thumbprint sizes though) as far as bad trips go. They override your ego's defenses in large enough doses. you can't think your having a bad trip because you can't think at all beacause there is no you.  Terrance McKenna and Andrew Weil MD have said this also.



Yes nothing safer than taking 1000ug of LSD and formatting the brain

if you dont mind taking a lifetime to integrate :-)

it wont be without suffering, but if it is worth it is up to you

personally I like 3 hits always of average hits, cant trip with less

take the red pill, 3+ hits of "high dose" LSD (hofmanns)


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Re: Are psychedelics safer in large doses ? [Re: DennisWilson420]
    #19331980 - 12/27/13 07:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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GoldenEye said:
It's never the peak that's difficult. It's always the onset or the comedown. The shoulders. I think this is not dependent on dose. Whatever dose you have, it'll have to come on (stronger would be easier due to sheer speed of onset but also more terrifying due to this) and you'll have to come down.





I agree with the peak being more pleasant than the come up, but the come down? I think that's the most pleasant part. In my experience, the comedown is filled with immense euphoria and giddiness. The onset is the only part that I feel sucks about a mushroom trip. I get nauseous and antsy.

The whole experience reminds me of when I first started going on rollercoasters. Waiting in line and coming up  the roller coaster was always filled with nervousness and fear. The drop itself (the peak), would be intense, but intense to the point where I forgot to feel fear, and after the drop and the ride (the comedown) I felt a rush of excitement that made me want to do it again.

But it's subjective.




Most of the time. I have Totally lost my shit upon slipping out of a breakthrough. It's like coming down into a ten strip which is hardly a comedown but more of a completely scramble of your senses that are trying to piece reality back together


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Re: Are psychedelics safer in large doses ? [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19332183 - 12/27/13 08:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

safer than what?
LSD seems nonlethal at any reasonable dose (which will still be under a milligram - thousands of people have gone way beyond that (I think a waste of good LSD) but not suffered any physical harm), but not all psychedelics have this specific harmless characteristic, and most require much larger (bulkier) doses for any effect, sometimes introducing gut and neural chaos.

Also LSD has the fewest real physical side effects at any reasonable dose. (Most descriptions of Body Load are related more to the flood of sensations from a body usually ignored, than due to toxicity of any kind)

Next to LSD salvinorin-A also has no known lethal effects at any reasonable dosage and no particular innate body-load except for the psychonaut being mentally catapulted into a flood of sensations  --- unlike LSD it is extremely rapid onsetting and very short acting and tastes awful.


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Re: Are psychedelics safer in large doses ? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19332357 - 12/27/13 09:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I would agree I find lower doses to leave me questioning if I am tripping or not or if I am insane.  At high doses I have completely given in and am at peace with everything.


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Re: Are psychedelics safer in large doses ? [Re: The Doobie Dude]
    #19332478 - 12/27/13 10:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Terrance McKenna said that people are taking too little of psychedelics and therefore resisting.
If you take 5g of cuisines there's no way you can resist the drug and therefore you give in.


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Re: Are psychedelics safer in large doses ? [Re: SkeletalSpore]
    #19332628 - 12/27/13 11:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

dont ask yourself if you should take 5g or a huge bongload of salvia

yourself will always try to talk you out of it, it doesnt like being destroyed

but your new self never regrets


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Re: Are psychedelics safer in large doses ? [Re: lessismore]
    #19332638 - 12/27/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

No because that implys that they are dangerous at small doses which is ridiculous.


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Re: Are psychedelics safer in large doses ? [Re: SkeletalSpore]
    #19332838 - 12/27/13 12:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Terrance McKenna said that people are taking too little of psychedelics and therefore resisting.
If you take 5g of cuisines there's no way you can resist the drug and therefore you give in.




Lol 5gs... Thatll get me real fucking silly and then some moments of nice introspection. Terrence McKenna wasn't exactly a heavy doser himself so I find that statement somewhat funny. The point of no resistance is far beyond that honestly. I've only reached it once during an extensive trip on ayahuasca. Even on a following journey where I took only slightly less my ego was battling for its life and that trip was still heavy enough to make 5gs look like child's play

Though the silent darkness may give some merit to the whole thing, still haven't tried that


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Re: Are psychedelics safer in large doses ? [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19335444 - 12/28/13 03:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

wih safe I dont mean physical I mean psychological in terms of intense horror trips.

Yes I know the bad trips can be the most valueable but it not pleasant thinking about going to a place 9999x worse than hell.
Damn I read so many trip reports and sweet baby jesus the things your read...

It seems like "letting yourself go" is one of he most important things when tripping.


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Re: Are psychedelics safer in large doses ? [Re: Zarotti]
    #19336021 - 12/28/13 08:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yea
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Zarotti said:

It seems like "letting yourself go" is one of he most important things when tripping.








Yes, tis ultimately the point of high doses and about the most important thing you'll ever gain from tripping.


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