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Evidence of Oneness (Ted Talk)
    #19334077 - 12/27/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

This is about mirror neurons and evidence of oneness.

http://www.ted.com/talks/vs_ramachandran_the_neurons_that_shaped_civilization.html


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Re: Evidence of Oneness (Ted Talk) [Re: teknix]
    #19334616 - 12/27/13 09:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

That was interesting. Something strange going on here for sure.  I  wonder what it is. :sun:


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Re: Evidence of Oneness (Ted Talk) [Re: Icelander]
    #19335896 - 12/28/13 07:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Cant wait to listen to this later :smile:

I think even if there was no actual proof its a profound lesson for people to learn


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Re: Evidence of Oneness (Ted Talk) [Re: iarphairc]
    #19336210 - 12/28/13 09:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Damn :mindblown:


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Re: Evidence of Oneness (Ted Talk) [Re: Icelander]
    #19336250 - 12/28/13 09:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Icelander said:
That was interesting. Something strange going on here for sure.  I  wonder what it is. :sun:




wonder :thumbup:


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Re: Evidence of Oneness (Ted Talk) [Re: MisterSandman]
    #19336253 - 12/28/13 09:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Damn :mindblown:







Lol I read your signature as "Sometimes you have to get really high to realise how small you are" :laugh:


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Re: Evidence of Oneness (Ted Talk) [Re: iarphairc]
    #19336340 - 12/28/13 10:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Damn :mindblown:







Lol I read your signature as "Sometimes you have to get really high to realise how small you are" :laugh:




:lol: Yeah, it's what Buamgartner said before he did that space jump.

The whole quote goes something like "I wish you could see what I see. Sometimes you have to get up really high to realize how small you are. I'm going home now."

It always makes my eyes get all watery when I see the video.


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Re: Evidence of Oneness (Ted Talk) [Re: iarphairc]
    #19336350 - 12/28/13 10:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for sharing teknik, I love this kind of material!

For anyone that liked the video I urge you to check out Ramachandran's other lectures. His work in neuroscience has led to many absolutely fascinating case studies with equally fascinating implications for our understanding of the human brain.

In his lectures/documentaries I've learned about some incredible stuff for example:

  • Some people have a paralysed limb but they genuinely believe they can move it, and will make up absurd excuses to explain their inability to perform a simple task using the limb when requested. They are otherwise completely healthy and sane of mind - fascinating!
  • Some people have 'blind sight', in one-half of their field of vision they cannot see anything unless it is moving.
  • Phantom limb pain, in some cases, can be cured completely with the use of a simple optical illusion.
  • Capgras delusion is a disorder whereby the affected individual believes members of their family have been replaced with imposters.


Ramachandran has been involved in so much interesting work on the mind. He really is a treasure!


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Re: Evidence of Oneness (Ted Talk) [Re: MisterSandman]
    #19336378 - 12/28/13 10:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I swear I got shivers reading that quote.

I thought it was interesting, although not surprising at all, you see him hesitate before the jump and he has to be encouraged slightly.

It is a momentous clip for lack of a better word..I'm gonna watch it now :laugh:


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Re: Evidence of Oneness (Ted Talk) [Re: iarphairc]
    #19336487 - 12/28/13 10:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I don't get too excited by this kind of thing. It's interesting but on a practical level humanity at large is very very very very very very very very very far from taking advantage of this information if true, imo.


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Re: Evidence of Oneness (Ted Talk) [Re: teknix]
    #19336578 - 12/28/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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teknix said:
This is about mirror neurons and evidence of oneness.

http://www.ted.com/talks/vs_ramachandran_the_neurons_that_shaped_civilization.html



sorry for delaying comment on this,
I normally don't like watching videos.
anyway
Vilayanur Ramachandran is proposing the wrong thing here, but I don't blame people from being excited.

two excellent examples are used  - one of throwing the ball,
and another of watching somebody be touched on the arm, and even being anaesthetized and watching somebody be touched on the arm

these are not at all mysterious.

there are no mirror neurons, and it is not really about one-ness at all.

however it is everything about memory and perception.

the very same cells that are involved when you throw the ball yourself, are involved in your memory of throwing the ball. and to a slightly less extent those same neurons are involved in your mental concept of throwing a ball.

Vilayanur Ramachandran should tell you about the cell activation states when simply talking about throwing a ball. etc. no empathy as such, straight on associative sequence while understanding the idea of throwing a ball.

Same with feeling what you see another person feeling when touched.
the idea of it accesses the memory of it which involves the very same cells that are activated when you last felt something like that.
AND
if your arm is anaethetized you will not be able to tell the difference between the real or memory event.
Vilayanur Ramachandran suggests that signals cancel that idea when sent from the  hand to the mirror neurons.
No
there are no mirror neurons, but you get 2 kinds of activation of the same set, one from memory and another from live sensation, and there is no problem telling which is more vital.


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Re: Evidence of Oneness (Ted Talk) [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19338075 - 12/28/13 06:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Are you a doctor of neuroscience RGV? I think I asked this to you before but I don't think you answered.

I find it hard to believe that he wouldn't have considered that possibility already, before reporting.

I think your explanation would have been the most obvious one, that was probably the first one ruled out for whatever reason?

Maybe you could e-mail him, and let him know that he is spreading misinformation if what you say is true, I'm sure he would be happy to know.

Maybe you are right, but what credentials are you basing your explanation off of?


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Re: Evidence of Oneness (Ted Talk) [Re: teknix]
    #19338137 - 12/28/13 06:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Or do you want me to e-mail him and ask him how he ruled that out?

I think it would be better if you did it because you seem to know more about the subject than I.


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Re: Evidence of Oneness (Ted Talk) [Re: teknix] * 1
    #19338566 - 12/28/13 08:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

you can feel free to email him, and set me up on a lecture circuit too, can you get me $2500/day - that would be great!
but my credentials are not sufficient, I was a biochemist and neuro-biology major in the 1970s so I am critical and somewhat informed, and I can tell when people are making it up as he is.
none of my colleagues would have had confidence to call him out, but I would definitely if I were in his audience or class. I found several of my professors laboring under terrifically half baked notions.

that is kind of the norm


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Re: Evidence of Oneness (Ted Talk) [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19338586 - 12/28/13 08:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

you can feel free to email him

Yeah like that's going to happen. :lol:


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Re: Evidence of Oneness (Ted Talk) [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19338587 - 12/28/13 08:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

How should I phrase the question?


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Re: Evidence of Oneness (Ted Talk) [Re: Icelander]
    #19338597 - 12/28/13 08:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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you can feel free to email him

Yeah like that's going to happen. :lol:




It's not hard to e-mail people man. I have e-mailed a few people pointing out errors, mostly authors.

They do appreciate it.


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Re: Evidence of Oneness (Ted Talk) [Re: teknix]
    #19338604 - 12/28/13 08:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I await his response on the edge of my seat.  Maybe he'll want to join the shroomery. :curbyourenthusiasm:


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Re: Evidence of Oneness (Ted Talk) [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19338608 - 12/28/13 08:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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you can feel free to email him, and set me up on a lecture circuit too, can you get me $2500/day - that would be great!
but my credentials are not sufficient, I was a biochemist and neuro-biology major in the 1970s so I am critical and somewhat informed, and I can tell when people are making it up as he is.
none of my colleagues would have had confidence to call him out, but I would definitely if I were in his audience or class. I found several of my professors laboring under terrifically half baked notions.

that is kind of the norm





A lot can change over the course of 40 years though . . Especially in that field.


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Re: Evidence of Oneness (Ted Talk) [Re: teknix]
    #19338621 - 12/28/13 08:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well it's not like he's not able to keep learning on the subject.  If it was something he was that into I'll bet he still has a somewhat active interest in the subject.


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