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Is it possible that Tony Parsons is ignorantly spreading misinformation? * 1
    #19333986 - 12/27/13 06:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I have come to believe that men like TOny Parsons and UG kristamuti, though both enlightened, are ignorantly spreading misinformation about spiritual practice. This is because liberation can happen in two ways, suddenly, or as a process of ever deepening meditation as one progresses through the different stages of samahdi. TOny parsons and UG only recognizes the sudden liberation experience, they dont understand that in India many people have reached liberation through a gradual progression through different states of conciousness.

That is the difference between ramana maharshi and the two guys I mentioned. He understood both forms of liberation and he taught both.


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Re: Is it possible that Tony Parsons is ignorantly spreading misinformation? [Re: Deviate]
    #19333996 - 12/27/13 06:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

There is both truth and lies in everything... that working for you?


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Re: Is it possible that Tony Parsons is ignorantly spreading misinformation? [Re: Deviate]
    #19334005 - 12/27/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I would assume being enlightened would mean no such misinformation being spread.:confused:  I guess we all have our own ideas on what enlightenment consists of.  At best I would call them awakened.

Fuck I'm awakened. Any schmuck can do that. :lol:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Is it possible that Tony Parsons is ignorantly spreading misinformation? [Re: Icelander]
    #19334465 - 12/27/13 08:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well there is a difference between being awakened and being fully liberated in my opinion. I have undergone a spiritual awakening and my consciousness is very awake right now. AS I type this, I am aware of the infinite. It feels like this is all happening floating in space inside an infinite void of nothingness-being. formless being and it is peaceful. For me this is awakening. Instead of being so miserable as I have been so long, I found the source of inner peace and its always this very moment.

But I am far from fully liberated. I still have identification with the body and I still have identification with the ego self, which comes up and tries to prevent me from identifying with the formless void of awareness, or the holy spirit as Christianity calls it. my peace will not be complete until this is gone. until then, the ego will continually disturb my peace as its doing right now. its like i am half peaceful.


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Re: Is it possible that Tony Parsons is ignorantly spreading misinformation? [Re: Deviate]
    #19334511 - 12/27/13 08:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well that's a lot friend. Most of us are deeply entrenched in our suffering.  I expect to be to the end.  But I also expect to keep making some slow tiny progress towards acceptance of all of this shit.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Is it possible that Tony Parsons is ignorantly spreading misinformation? [Re: Icelander]
    #19334725 - 12/27/13 10:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I know its a lot. I feel very thankful that God has been merciful enough to grant me this awakening, which happened last night after 8 hours of hellish egoic resistence during which I thought I was going to have a heart attack. It felt exactly like experiences of approaching ego loss Ive had on trips where my ego fights back only this was not on any drugs and instead it was the result of spiritual practice.

So God has given me great insight into reality. He also gave me a life of intense suffering. THat is the only reason I am awake as I am. I just could not suffer anymore. When you get to that point, you either kill yourself or you awaken. Being Catholic, I can't kill myself, so I have no choice to pursue awakening. I just cant live in the grips of ego anymore. For me, its absolute hell. I have a monster of an ego, its an absolute monster.


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Re: Is it possible that Tony Parsons is ignorantly spreading misinformation? [Re: Deviate]
    #19335572 - 12/28/13 04:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It think he'll attract the people that need to hear what he's saying, everything has its place

There wouldn't be so many different teachers saying the same thing in different ways unless people needed it put in so many ways

Some people need someone to hold their hand, some people need their head chopped off


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Re: Is it possible that Tony Parsons is ignorantly spreading misinformation? [Re: Deviate]
    #19336101 - 12/28/13 08:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

As a believer in biological determinism, I think the "no enlightenment" set essentially has it right.  There is (what some call) "ultimate reality," we are in it and of it (whether or not we intellectually know or acknowledge it), and there's really nothing we can (or need) "do" in order to bring our awareness closer to it.

If it's your biological destiny to attain some sort of "spiritual epiphany," you will.  Regardless of what you do, where you are, or how hard you try. 

We "think" our individual practices are somehow "hastening" the process, but in fact the process is merely playing itself out. 

In slow motion, as is nature's way of conducting its business.


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Re: Is it possible that Tony Parsons is ignorantly spreading misinformation? [Re: all this beauty]
    #19336118 - 12/28/13 09:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: Is it possible that Tony Parsons is ignorantly spreading misinformation? [Re: all this beauty]
    #19336222 - 12/28/13 09:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Nice

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all this beauty said:
We "think" our individual practices are somehow "hastening" the process, but in fact the process is merely playing itself out. 





We can also think the process is leading somewhere, when if you're looking for yourself, which is all this game of seeking truth can ultimately be, then the process doesn't lead anywhere, there is no end result of the process as the end result, yourself, is already present before the process or attempt to realize truth begins

That's why i feel self-inquiry or self-attention, self-contemplation, can be a very good 'practices' because you're* goal is what you already are, it's the only practice i've found that before doing or questioning anything, you question yourself

*I mispelt 'you're' there, but correctly


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Re: Is it possible that Tony Parsons is ignorantly spreading misinformation? [Re: Chronic7]
    #19336495 - 12/28/13 10:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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...there is no end result of the process as the end result, yourself, is already present before the process or attempt to realize truth begins



Very nice, Chronic.

I think that's the core message that the "no enlightenment" crowd seeks to convey.

The "end result" -- the "perfection" you seek -- is already present. 

There's nothing to "seek out," as it's impossible to be out of sync with the ever-present perfection.


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Re: Is it possible that Tony Parsons is ignorantly spreading misinformation? [Re: all this beauty]
    #19336521 - 12/28/13 10:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Ever present perfection?  What exactly does that mean?  Sounds nice but who lives that?

Nobody (my guess)


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Re: Is it possible that Tony Parsons is ignorantly spreading misinformation? [Re: Icelander]
    #19336546 - 12/28/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Richard teaches to live in the bliss of the moment... I live in the bliss of all, for I think one should not avoid, and rather accept anything that was and ever will be.. and since everything at once... that is total peace...  getting there, my words are indeed rubbish.. raddish... salad... I will go get salad all right...


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Re: Is it possible that Tony Parsons is ignorantly spreading misinformation? [Re: Icelander]
    #19336603 - 12/28/13 11:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Ever present perfection?  What exactly does that mean?  Sounds nice but who lives that?

Nobody (my guess)



Well here's the thing.

Living in the "ever-present perfection" does not mean you are perpetually happy.

On the Daoist internet boards, I've described the "perpetually happy" mindset thingy as "The Dao of the Smiley Face."  Some believe that when you're "in sync" with the Dao, you're always happy. 

Well for cryin' out loud...  even Jesus Christ wasn't perpetually happy.  Boyfriend had many moments of doubt and anguish.

Those interested can read the Christian New Testament.  It's all there.


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Re: Is it possible that Tony Parsons is ignorantly spreading misinformation? [Re: all this beauty]
    #19336619 - 12/28/13 11:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

No, but it wouldnt be suffering... pain one day and pleasure the next.. still abliss..


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Re: Is it possible that Tony Parsons is ignorantly spreading misinformation? [Re: Icyus] * 1
    #19336746 - 12/28/13 11:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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... pain one day and pleasure the next.. still abliss..



Yes.  I think so.

Know how to judge where you're at in your spiritual journey?  By how you deal with the horrible, shitty timesNot by how you deal with the good, euphoric times.

Everybody likes the good, euphoric times.  Everybody likes to see and greet God, or the Divine, or whatever you choose to call it --  during a good trip, chemical or otherwise.

But that means shit when it comes to assessing your spiritual journey.

How you deal with horror, with grief, with pain and suffering, when you're stone-cold sober -- that's how to judge where you're at in your spiritual journey.


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Re: Is it possible that Tony Parsons is ignorantly spreading misinformation? [Re: all this beauty]
    #19336906 - 12/28/13 12:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I personally won't have achieved absolute enlightenment until I am floating in a womb-like cocoon, absorbing IV nutrients and hydration from surrounding fluids while being plugged into 24/7 maximal stimulation of my brain's pleasure center.  :drooling:

Pain and suffering is for suckas:satansmoking:


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Re: Is it possible that Tony Parsons is ignorantly spreading misinformation? [Re: deCypher]
    #19337007 - 12/28/13 01:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I personally won't have achieved absolute enlightenment until I am floating in a womb-like cocoon, absorbing IV nutrients and hydration from surrounding fluids while being plugged into 24/7 maximal stimulation of my brain's pleasure center.  :drooling:



And your Big Bad Ego.  Please do not forget your Big Bad Ego.

You must express complete and utter contempt for it (well, at least your ego-free nothingness being must do that), and you must forever condemn it as the source of all your troubles and woes prior to achieving absolute enlightenment.

Your challenge, of course, is to do this without activating Big Bad Ego II, which lies in wait, ready to pounce and lead you, once again, to illusion and un-enlightenment.

Sheesh.

Enlightenment's a bitch...  ain't it?  :ohwell:


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Re: Is it possible that Tony Parsons is ignorantly spreading misinformation? [Re: all this beauty]
    #19337043 - 12/28/13 01:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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all this beauty said:
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Icelander said:
Ever present perfection?  What exactly does that mean?  Sounds nice but who lives that?

Nobody (my guess)



Well here's the thing.

Living in the "ever-present perfection" does not mean you are perpetually happy.

On the Daoist internet boards, I've described the "perpetually happy" mindset thingy as "The Dao of the Smiley Face."  Some believe that when you're "in sync" with the Dao, you're always happy. 

Well for cryin' out loud...  even Jesus Christ wasn't perpetually happy.  Boyfriend had many moments of doubt and anguish.

Those interested can read the Christian New Testament.  It's all there.





Or you could answer my question


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Is it possible that Tony Parsons is ignorantly spreading misinformation? [Re: Icelander]
    #19337087 - 12/28/13 01:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Icelander said:
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all this beauty said:
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Icelander said:
Ever present perfection?  What exactly does that mean?  Sounds nice but who lives that?

Nobody (my guess)



Well here's the thing.

Living in the "ever-present perfection" does not mean you are perpetually happy.

On the Daoist internet boards, I've described the "perpetually happy" mindset thingy as "The Dao of the Smiley Face."  Some believe that when you're "in sync" with the Dao, you're always happy. 

Well for cryin' out loud...  even Jesus Christ wasn't perpetually happy.  Boyfriend had many moments of doubt and anguish.

Those interested can read the Christian New Testament.  It's all there.





Or you could answer my question



Sure, buddy.  :wink:

"But who lives that?"

Answer:  People who savor the moment, regardless of what comes, good or bad, happy or sad, "live that."

I know people like that.

Don't you?


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