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what is enlightenment?
    #19333640 - 12/27/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

There has been talk of enlightenment, and there has been many one an opinion, yet, I cannot really put my finger on what it really is..

maybe someone willnpostvtheir idea, and I will think on it.. to see who are indeed enlightened..


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Re: what is enlightenment? [Re: Icyus]
    #19333664 - 12/27/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

There are many definitions of it, and it is easier to say what it isn't than to say what it is. By eliminating what it isn't, what you are left with is what is, or the possibilities of what it is.

Personally I think it has to do with discovering the entirety of the energy body.


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Re: what is enlightenment? [Re: teknix]
    #19333667 - 12/27/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Still.. that is everything else, and everything is alot..


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Re: what is enlightenment? [Re: Icyus]
    #19333674 - 12/27/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If only it was so easy to say. It's not the words anyway, so any words used to describe it wouldn't really be what it is.

Something to experience.


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Re: what is enlightenment? [Re: teknix]
    #19333685 - 12/27/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

That is quite the problem I posess then.. I have expereanced many stages of absoluteness and cannot know which would be enlightenment.. or if i havent expereanced  it yet.. thus I ask help in defining it...


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Re: what is enlightenment? [Re: Icyus]
    #19333734 - 12/27/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Did you do metta?


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Re: what is enlightenment? [Re: teknix]
    #19333741 - 12/27/13 05:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I have not sat down, legs crossed, but the principles of it, yes. We were healing mother earth...


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Re: what is enlightenment? [Re: Icyus]
    #19333792 - 12/27/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Enlightenment is whatever satisfies you and doesn't annoy other people.


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Re: what is enlightenment? [Re: Icyus]
    #19333824 - 12/27/13 05:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I have not sat down, legs crossed, but the principles of it, yes. We were healing mother earth...





Well that's part of it afaik, under metta is the inner fire as well. I inadvertently discovered it from practicing metta. I do internal Alchemy so it is a bit different than what others practice.

What about anatta?

Third eye or Kundalini Awakening?

I have some things in my sig about the practices.


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Re: what is enlightenment? [Re: teknix]
    #19333877 - 12/27/13 05:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Sorry man, but I am not familiar with the terms youare using... could you explain the basic principles?


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Re: what is enlightenment? [Re: Icyus]
    #19333965 - 12/27/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Icyus said:
There has been talk of enlightenment, and there has been many one an opinion, yet, I cannot really put my finger on what it really is..

maybe someone willnpostvtheir idea, and I will think on it.. to see who are indeed enlightened..





enlightenment for this one is when the struggle stops and no further effort is wasted on trying to be enlightened. :satansmoking:


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Re: what is enlightenment? [Re: Icelander]
    #19333970 - 12/27/13 06:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

In that case, I am.. if that isbpossible to say..


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Re: what is enlightenment? [Re: Icyus]
    #19333995 - 12/27/13 06:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Its basically being fully conscious of what you are but it could be defined in other ways.


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Re: what is enlightenment? [Re: Icyus]
    #19334010 - 12/27/13 06:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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In that case, I am.. if that isbpossible to say..




We all get to say anything we want. And we do. That's what's so entertaining. :haha:


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Re: what is enlightenment? [Re: Icelander]
    #19334011 - 12/27/13 06:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

This stuff:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14135177

Who/what you are, internally.


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Re: what is enlightenment? [Re: Icelander]
    #19334015 - 12/27/13 06:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

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There has been talk of enlightenment, and there has been many one an opinion, yet, I cannot really put my finger on what it really is..

maybe someone willnpostvtheir idea, and I will think on it.. to see who are indeed enlightened..





enlightenment for this one is when the struggle stops and no further effort is wasted on trying to be enlightened. :satansmoking:




Yes its when the struggle stops but are you not wasting effort still on other perhaps even less profitable pursuits? If youre not seeking "enlightenment" chances are you will simply seek, pleasure, rest and understanding in other ways.

Enlightenment is when SEEKING stops. It doesnt matter what you are seeking, whether its sex with a lot of partners or enlightenment. Its still seeking. Enlightenment means the end of seeking.


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Re: what is enlightenment? [Re: Deviate]
    #19334022 - 12/27/13 06:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

In such case, I am enlightened...no try, simply do.


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Re: what is enlightenment? [Re: Deviate]
    #19334024 - 12/27/13 06:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well I seek to not be in pain so I guess I'm not enlightened yet.  I'll have to settle for my daily fix.  It's coming on right now and I'm in a stellar mood so this is for you dear one. :heart:


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Re: what is enlightenment? [Re: Icelander]
    #19334412 - 12/27/13 08:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Well I seek to not be in pain so I guess I'm not enlightened yet.  I'll have to settle for my daily fix.  It's coming on right now and I'm in a stellar mood so this is for you dear one. :heart:





Its natural to seek not to be pain. This is called concupiscence  in CHristianity and it is the desire for good. Humans innately desire to feel good.

concupiscence has been understood to be the tendency toward sin but the Catholic Church teaches that its actually simply the desire for good and this leads us to sin when we act with an ignorant understanding of what will really bring us good.

The more enlightened you are, the more you understood what will really bring you what you really want, which is enduring happiness, free from misery. So enlightenment is the end of misery caused by ignorance, certainly a goal worth striving for.

An enlightened being seeks to not be in pain either. Only an enlightened being does not think "when this pain is gone, then I will be happy". An enlightened being is very happy despite the pain and then when the pain is gone, he is even happier. So there is no seeking in the sense of looking toward the fiture for happiness, but there is seeking in the sense of goal oriented action.


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Re: what is enlightenment? [Re: Icyus]
    #19334453 - 12/27/13 08:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Peanut butter and baby carrots.


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