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Mexican Cartels in the Phillipines
    #19333596 - 12/27/13 04:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Mexican Cartels in the Phillipines [Re: mage23] * 1
    #19333691 - 12/27/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Bro you gotta paste the news article into your post as well. Here...

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Philippine anti-drug police said on Thursday they had arrested three people connected to Mexico's feared Sinaloa drug cartel while they were storing narcotics.

The two Filipinos and one Filipino-Chinese were arrested in a raid on Wednesday on a fighting cock farm in Lipa City, nearly 50 miles south of Manila, after weeks of intelligence operations by local and U.S. anti-narcotics personnel.

Seized in the raid were 185 pounds of methamphetamine hydrochloride, popularly known as "ice" or "shabu," as well as two firearms, said police officials.

However the actual members of the Mexican cartel were not there during the raid, said Senior Superintendent Bartolome Tobias, head of a drugs task force.

"We have previously had reports that the Mexicans are here and ... this is the first time we have confirmed that indeed, the Mexicans are already here," he told reporters.

Tobias did not say how they knew the Sinaloa cartel was involved

He said a Filipino-American named Gary Torres and two Mexicans known as "Jaime" and "Joey" were being sought in connection with the seized drugs.

It was not clear when the Mexican cartel would have entered the Philippines. The national police chief, Director-General Alan Purisima, said the country's strategic location and the difficulty of guarding the archipelago's maritime borders made it easy to infiltrate.

"It is part of our investigation how the cartel was able to penetrate our country. We are still in the process of determining what is the history behind the arrest of these people," Purisima said.

He said Chinese drug syndicates may be colluding with the Mexicans.

The spokesman of the Philippine Drug Enforcement Agency, Derrick Carreon, said the entry of the Mexican cartel was based on "intelligence reports" but did not elaborate.

The Mexican embassy declined to comment.

The Sinaloa cartel is reputed to be the largest source of illegal drugs to the United States.

Its main leader, Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman, escaped from a Mexican prison in 2001. He is now America's most wanted drug trafficker, as well as being considered by Forbes as the most powerful criminal on the planet.

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Re: Mexican Cartels in the Phillipines [Re: DebuteMachine]
    #19334372 - 12/27/13 08:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Why is the US involved in drug trafficking between mexico and the phillipines?


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Re: Mexican Cartels in the Phillipines [Re: tito123]
    #19334502 - 12/27/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Why is the US involved in drug trafficking between mexico and the phillipines?




probably because it is another route into the usa


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Re: Mexican Cartels in the Phillipines [Re: FlusH]
    #19334589 - 12/27/13 09:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If Philippines just legalized "shabu" they could manufacture and sell it themselves.  That would put the traffickers out of business and the country could make money to put towards social improvement programs. 

You can't eradicate it so why not try to let people use it and then manage the problem's the use creates.  Imprisoning trafficker's or addicts is not helping anything.

Putting an addict into rehab for a few months if their addiction causes problems for them is cheaper and more effective then putting them in jail for a few years. They should just have rule's that you can't be disorderly,  can't neglect children,  can't drive,  and have to be taking safe dosage level's.  If you break those rules you go to rehab.


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Re: Mexican Cartels in the Phillipines [Re: Ritual]
    #19335149 - 12/28/13 12:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Your reasoning is flawed. Powerful drugs are regulated because they cause harm.


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Re: Mexican Cartels in the Phillipines [Re: travelleler]
    #19335370 - 12/28/13 02:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Your reasoning is flawed. Powerful drugs are regulated because they cause harm.




Everything causes harm.

Light from the sun causes harm.
Drinking too much water cause's harm.
Having sex can cause harm.
Exercise can cause harm.
Driving can cause harm.
Walking up a flight of stairs can cause harm.

Just like taking too much "shabu" can cause harm.

Should we also regulate water,  light,  sex,  exercise,  transportation,  and walking? 

Shabu has benefits just like light,  sex,  exercise,  transportation,  and walking have benefits.  It can give energy,  it causes euphoria,  it increase's concentration,  and alleviate's certain forms of chemical imbalance in the brain. 

Watching TV is addicting for certain people,  and can decrease productivity or motivation,  does that mean we should regulate it?


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Re: Mexican Cartels in the Phillipines [Re: tito123]
    #19335620 - 12/28/13 05:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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travelleler said:
Your reasoning is flawed. Powerful drugs are regulated because they cause harm.




But if the regulation causes more harm, it should be reconsidered.

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tito123 said:
Why is the US involved in drug trafficking between mexico and the phillipines?




Because the US is not able to mind its own business.


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Re: Mexican Cartels in the Phillipines [Re: Lord_McLovin]
    #19335656 - 12/28/13 05:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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travelleler said:
Your reasoning is flawed. Powerful drugs are regulated because they cause harm.




But if the regulation causes more harm, it should be reconsidered.

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tito123 said:
Why is the US involved in drug trafficking between mexico and the phillipines?




Because the US is not able to mind its own business.






YES!

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Re: Mexican Cartels in the Phillipines [Re: travelleler]
    #19341551 - 12/29/13 01:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If Mexican cartels are in the Philippines, wouldn't they be Filipino cartels?


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Re: Mexican Cartels in the Phillipines [Re: travelleler]
    #19343145 - 12/29/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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travelleler said:
Your reasoning is flawed. Powerful drugs are regulated because they cause harm.



alcohol causes harm so does nicotine, sugar, caffeine, mcdonalds, humans etc. we need to stop regulating shit so much and let people use what ever they want as long as they are not harming others


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Re: Mexican Cartels in the Phillipines [Re: allseeingike]
    #19350637 - 12/31/13 10:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Your reasoning is flawed. Powerful drugs are regulated because they cause harm.



alcohol causes harm so does nicotine, sugar, caffeine, mcdonalds, humans etc. we need to stop regulating shit so much and let people use what ever they want as long as they are not harming others





in theory that is correct... you start talking about psysically addictive or habit forming drugs that easily trigger psychoses though and it becomes a bit less theoretical and the Dharma gets traded for Dogma on it's way to Karma.


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Re: Mexican Cartels in the Phillipines [Re: travelleler]
    #19351776 - 12/31/13 04:25 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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travelleler said:
Your reasoning is flawed. Powerful drugs are regulated because they cause harm.



alcohol causes harm so does nicotine, sugar, caffeine, mcdonalds, humans etc. we need to stop regulating shit so much and let people use what ever they want as long as they are not harming others





in theory that is correct... you start talking about psysically addictive or habit forming drugs that easily trigger psychoses though and it becomes a bit less theoretical and the Dharma gets traded for Dogma on it's way to Karma.




I have no idea what that means.

But I disagree fully on your point that drugs are regulated due to their harm. Nicotine is one of the most widely distributed and easy-to-get drugs, yet it causes such a ridiculous amount of lung cancer and death every year.

Legality is just a classification based on political and economic reasoning. Sometimes it has nothing to do with harm-reduction, as we can obviously see by the fact that mushrooms are illegal but alcohol and tobacco are sold everywhere.


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