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What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition???
#19333558 - 12/27/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The weed legalization is a victory in the drug war, and to me it seems we should use the momentum from it to become truly free to explore our own minds in the states.
The easiest to legalize seems like psilocybin to me (feel free to argue the case of which one you think would be easiest!)
But I have no idea what I can do to help. I try to talk to people I know about psychedelics as much as I can. Trying to educate, or at least combat the MASSIVE amounts of misinformation.
So yeah, what can I do to help? Because as Terence McKenna said, prohibition is cultural immaturity.
ALSO: please chime in with whether or not you think legalization would even be a good thing. Would you rather keep it untaxed/illegal? and why??
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#19333579 - 12/27/13 04:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Campaigning. Like they do for politicians running for office. People actually have to have the information about these substances sitting in their mailboxes, otherwise they're going to just keep on believing what they already believe.
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: s240779]
#19333594 - 12/27/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Da2ra said: Campaigning. Like they do for politicians running for office. People actually have to have the information about these substances sitting in their mailboxes, otherwise they're going to just keep on believing what they already believe.
I like that idea. That sounds like a perfect starting point.
I'll mail people informative flyers if I have to god damnit!!
Or maybe tell people about this site? would that be a bad thing maybe?
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#19333595 - 12/27/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Start small. Make sure people are educated with the facts, not the propaganda.
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: Psilosopherr] 2
#19333600 - 12/27/13 04:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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i would just donate to maps
some guy raving about how great mushrooms are might look bad in this country too people less cultured
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#19333601 - 12/27/13 04:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's possible that millions of dollars could fund the proper clinical trials for a drug approval and Schedule 2 status.
However, IMO it would take a massive reorganization of our societal ideology regarding drugs to get psilocybin to be completely legal.
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: Konyap]
#19333836 - 12/27/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Illyabo said: i would just donate to maps
some guy raving about how great mushrooms are might look bad in this country too people less cultured
yeah someone just told me about maps, I'm reading about it as we speak.
I wouldn't do it person to strangers so much, but I'm considering like, making and distributing a pamphlet or something 
I dunno if that sounds silly, but people don't really see this information unless they look for it. So why not make it easy for them and shove it in their faces?
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: s240779]
#19333910 - 12/27/13 06:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Da2ra said: Campaigning. Like they do for politicians running for office. People actually have to have the information about these substances sitting in their mailboxes, otherwise they're going to just keep on believing what they already believe.
1. create webpage(blog!), add good information, perhaps http://www.erowid.org/general/survey/survey_lsd8_quotes1.shtml
2. spread link on facebook with http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-oAcCViDlIdE/T993pThMQqI/AAAAAAAAByY/pCuMuvx2Nko/s400/psychedelics-are-illegal-not-because-your-loving-government-is-concerned-that-you-might-jump-out-of-a-third-story-window.jpg
3. make group on facebook for consciousness expansion, shamanism etc. describe in the group what your view is on consciousness exploration and how it should be everyones right
4. of course never do this from your own profile unless you live in a country where they are legal
5. send group/likes from facebook , and your blog/homepage with correct info to the nearest politicans keep doing it anonymously from anonymous email if you are paranoid send to local media too, keep doing it mention that now weed has been legalized, that they have medical benefits too etc.
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: lessismore]
#19333916 - 12/27/13 06:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Facebook is good, but nothing beats god old fashioned paper. It would have to be done in a very sophisticated way, so that it didn't come across as sensationalist. Just the idea of promoting the idea of drugs is very strange, so the information would have to be extremely mature.
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#19333918 - 12/27/13 06:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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High on toilet said: Make like a list of myths and facts. Whenever the subject of mushrooms come up I hear a lot of wild shit.
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High on toilet said: Make like a list of myths and facts. Whenever the subject of mushrooms come up I hear a lot of wild shit.
THAT IS FUCKING PERFECT!
I might make a few of those tonight because of how much I love that idea. Thank you for it!
Anyone got some good myths for me? One's you've heard from more people are better than plain funny ones. But I'm sure they'll all be funny anyway.
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#19333930 - 12/27/13 06:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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they send you to the looney bin and make you believe you are jesus most people that take that kind of drugs go there sooner or later no need to risk the mind, only alcohol is good
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#19333936 - 12/27/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Anybody who goes about this needs to read a bunch of academic books on psychedelic drugs, in my opinion. And unfortunately books cost money.
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: s240779]
#19333945 - 12/27/13 06:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Da2ra said: Anybody who goes about this needs to read a bunch of academic books on psychedelic drugs, in my opinion. And unfortunately books cost money.
What is needed is for everyone to share their own stories with psychedelics
just like that erowid survey I posted
create a blog, with your 10 year experience with psychedelics
now that Huxleys doors of perception, alan watts books etc. cost money
make free information to the people, a free overview of long term effects and realizations/effect on your life
also mention historical psychedelic users, mckenna, feynmann, beatles/john lennon, alan watts, huxley, albert hofmann,steve jobs,pink floyd... and the guy that got a nobelprice in biology iirc, for inventing PCR (polymerase chain reaction for dna), which he attributed to LSD
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#19333953 - 12/27/13 06:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I dont want to risk it, I will be stuck in the trip forever
that one is normal to hear
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: lessismore] 1
#19333963 - 12/27/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You should read EVERY scientific paper on the genus Psilocybe.
A small starting point is here.
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: The Lightning] 1
#19333972 - 12/27/13 06:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah MAPS has it covered. A bunch of shroomery freaks raving about mushrooms is going to make people nervous, we tried that approach back in the 60's, remember how that turned out?
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: Konyap] 2
#19333984 - 12/27/13 06:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Illyabo said: i would just donate to maps
I've donated to MAPS just a few weeks ago. Been following their work closely for a while. Good stuff. It seems like MAPS alone is holding up the future of psychedelic research in this country. They couldn't have a better frontman either.... Rick Doblin seems like such a great guy, very humble, rational and has taken completely the right approach for easing the topic of psychedelic research back into the cultural dialogue for the first time in decades. We are extremely fortunate to have Rick leading the charge because this is such a precarious subject that had somebody approached the reearch sloppily, or in a misguided manner, society at large would likely have shut the door on psychedelic research for another few decades or longer. We couldn't afford another Tim Leary style chracter who goes around recklessly advocating psychedelics for the masses (with little regard for the dangers and risks) and encouraging people to drop out of society as we know it.
Rick has taken the right approach and was wise to focus his first major psychedelic studies on PTSD patients who have served our country in uniform... if they could benefit from therapeutic psychedelic sessions then its more likely for society to begin to accept the fact that any random Joe can benefit from these substances if used properly and in the right setting.
Im on my tablet and typing on this thing sucks ass (took me bout 20 mins to write this), but I will leave you with this:
SUPPORT MAPS!
And the Heffter Institute for that matter. Thank god somebody out there is doing this much needed and long overdue work.
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: s240779]
#19333990 - 12/27/13 06:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Da2ra said: Anybody who goes about this needs to read a bunch of academic books on psychedelic drugs, in my opinion. And unfortunately books cost money.
Well, I've read "The Doors of Perception," and "Heaven and Hell," I think twice each, until I really understood them.
Just getting started on "Food of the Gods," and after that I've got "The Spirit Molecule." on deck
Not exactly academic, but I like to think they've given me some knowledge/insights on the subject. And I'm pretty experience with psilocybin personally. (not just an 8th at a time )
Ideally this would also be a group effort with some other people around town or over the web.
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#19334021 - 12/27/13 06:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Da2ra said: Anybody who goes about this needs to read a bunch of academic books on psychedelic drugs, in my opinion.
YES!
By far the best response in this thread.
You just gave me an idea. I will transcribe a list of all the books I own regarding psychedelic research and make a new thread where fellow trip lit fans can post their reading list (regarding psychedelics) and discuss the literature in general.
Anyways, Im down to contribute to whatever ideas your kicking around OP .... Ive got a few of my own too if you want to get together and collaborate. PM me
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: chutney]
#19334053 - 12/27/13 06:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Da2ra said: Anybody who goes about this needs to read a bunch of academic books on psychedelic drugs, in my opinion.
YES!
By far the best response in this thread.
You just gave me an idea. I will transcribe a list of all the books I own regarding psychedelic research and make a new thread where fellow trip lit fans can post their reading list (regarding psychedelics) and discuss the literature in general.
Anyways, Im down to contribute to whatever ideas your kicking around OP .... Ive got a few of my own too if you want to get together and collaborate. PM me 
Wow thanks dude! I'll have to do that so we can kick ideas around. I'd love to hear yours.
HighonToilet: Yes I have copies of all the books I mentioned. Why does that matter
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: chutney]
#19334094 - 12/27/13 06:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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chutney said:
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Da2ra said: Anybody who goes about this needs to read a bunch of academic books on psychedelic drugs, in my opinion.
YES!
By far the best response in this thread.
You just gave me an idea. I will transcribe a list of all the books I own regarding psychedelic research and make a new thread where fellow trip lit fans can post their reading list (regarding psychedelics) and discuss the literature in general.
Anyways, Im down to contribute to whatever ideas your kicking around OP .... Ive got a few of my own too if you want to get together and collaborate. PM me 

I'm already doing that with the link in my sig. And it's not just a list, but a list of everything I have in electronic form and which I'd be happy to share with anyone. I haven't updated my list in a while, and I have a bunch of things to add.
I appreciate someone crediting me with the best response in a thread. That means a lot to me.
rbalzer, I wouldn't bother with 'Food of the Gods' and 'The Spirit Molecule'. 'Spirit Molecule' is too theoretical and only about DMT. 'Food of the Gods', I remember being boring and there seemed to be plenty of text devoted to things like chocolate and sugar.
Book like these is far more pertinent:
The Psychedelic Future of the Mind: How Entheogens Are Enhancing Cognition, Boosting Intelligence, and Raising Values. Thomas B. Roberts
LSD: Doorway to the Numinous: The Groundbreaking Psychedelic Research Into Realms of the Human Unconscious by Stanislav Grof (Stanislav Grof has amazing literature!)
And I didn't just mean studies and stuff when I said 'academic.' Both. Engross yourself in an unofficial study of psychedelic drugs.
We should have a book pirating group (maybe start a personal forum on The Shroomery for it) so that we can get these books out there.
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: s240779]
#19334117 - 12/27/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Don't forget lectures. Great lecture by Grof. I watched the beginning up to where he recounts his first LSD trip.
Implications of Psychedelic Research for Psychology & Psychiatry - Stanislav Grof, M.D., Ph.D.
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: s240779]
#19334125 - 12/27/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The funny thing about psychedelics is that they are the opposite of academic for me :-)
they are a valuable life experience, as valuable as the best life experiences
trying to present them as academic can give a false picture of them they dont work the same for everybody
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: lessismore]
#19334129 - 12/27/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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'Academic' is a broad word. By 'academic' I meant a professional, organized written or verabl attempt at conveying information related to them.
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#19334135 - 12/27/13 07:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Da2ra said: Anybody who goes about this needs to read a bunch of academic books on psychedelic drugs, in my opinion.
YES!
By far the best response in this thread.
You just gave me an idea. I will transcribe a list of all the books I own regarding psychedelic research and make a new thread where fellow trip lit fans can post their reading list (regarding psychedelics) and discuss the literature in general.
Anyways, Im down to contribute to whatever ideas your kicking around OP .... Ive got a few of my own too if you want to get together and collaborate. PM me 
Wow thanks dude! I'll have to do that so we can kick ideas around. I'd love to hear yours.
HighonToilet: Yes I have copies of all the books I mentioned. Why does that matter 
Definitely do.
Im always down to discuss psychedelics with intelligent and well informed people. Ive had discussions with people on this subject for 12 hours on end without really tiring.
And I promise I'm more intelligent than I sound... trying to be concise cause I'm typing on a tablet. Haha.
But yeah I've been pondering an idea for a way to reach large numbers of people and provide them with accurate and up to date information regarding all things psychedelic. Quite frankly I'm surprised it hasn't been done already... not to be lame, but I dont want to mention it here for fear that somebody will steal my idea (not like its "my idea" necessarily anyways). But definitely PM me and we can talk. I prefer a more real-time discussion medium than private messaging back and forth.... I prefer an instant messenger of some sort so the conversation has a more natural flow to it. Im chad4214 on AIM if youve got it. But yeah definitely get in touch sometime.... I have dozens of books on the topic and spend loads of time actively researching it and seeking out new information. Id love to chat and pick your brain sometime.
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: lessismore]
#19334157 - 12/27/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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free blogs are easy to make
takes 5mins, they get set up for you while you sign up iirc
then just paste all the information into the blog
then people can google and reply on your blog too , would be pretty nice discussion section i.e.
write articles on a few subjects related to psychedelics i.e. with comment section enabled
LSD cures alcoholism in 19xx study mushrooms treat PTSD and cluster headaches common LSD and magic mushrooms myths personal long term effects experiences (erowid survey link) history of psychedelic use (shamanic/healing, hippie culture, consciousness expansion, today) difference between various psychedelics? what do psychedelics mean? (not much difference..) info on salvia divinorum for meditation/consciousness expansion , history of use grow your own magic mushrooms in your closet? link to shroomery.org :-)
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: s240779]
#19334165 - 12/27/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Have you guys seen the documentary, Hofmann's Potion?
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: s240779]
#19334173 - 12/27/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Da2ra said:
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chutney said:
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Da2ra said: Anybody who goes about this needs to read a bunch of academic books on psychedelic drugs, in my opinion.
YES!
By far the best response in this thread.
You just gave me an idea. I will transcribe a list of all the books I own regarding psychedelic research and make a new thread where fellow trip lit fans can post their reading list (regarding psychedelics) and discuss the literature in general.
Anyways, Im down to contribute to whatever ideas your kicking around OP .... Ive got a few of my own too if you want to get together and collaborate. PM me 

I'm already doing that with the link in my sig. And it's not just a list, but a list of everything I have in electronic form and which I'd be happy to share with anyone. I haven't updated my list in a while, and I have a bunch of things to add.
I appreciate someone crediting me with the best response in a thread. That means a lot to me.
rbalzer, I wouldn't bother with 'Food of the Gods' and 'The Spirit Molecule'. 'Spirit Molecule' is too theoretical and only about DMT. 'Food of the Gods', I remember being boring and there seemed to be plenty of text devoted to things like chocolate and sugar.
Book like these is far more pertinent:
The Psychedelic Future of the Mind: How Entheogens Are Enhancing Cognition, Boosting Intelligence, and Raising Values. Thomas B. Roberts
LSD: Doorway to the Numinous: The Groundbreaking Psychedelic Research Into Realms of the Human Unconscious by Stanislav Grof (Stanislav Grof has amazing literature!)
And I didn't just mean studies and stuff when I said 'academic.' Both. Engross yourself in an unofficial study of psychedelic drugs.
We should have a book pirating group (maybe start a personal forum on The Shroomery for it) so that we can get these books out there.
No problem brother! Always great to see people encouraging others to read and seek out valuable information... there's not enough of that these days. As McKenna said "the first stop for any serious psychonaut should be the library. And its a LONG stop." If only more people would read extensively before getting into psychecelics, we wouldnt see nearly as many idiots jumping out windows when tripping, or getting into car wrecks when loaded, etc.
And its funny you mention Thomas Roberts book "The Psychedelic Future of the Mind," I actually just purchased the Kindle edition on Amazon last night! How is that book? Im currently reading "Neuropsychedelia: The Revival of Hallucinogen Research since the Decade of the Brain" by Nicholas Langlitz. HIGHLY recommended. Great overview of psychedelic research from the 1990s onward, and is written for a general audience in an easy to read and engrossing kind of way.
I would disagree about Food of the Gods. Great book for people who are interested in how drugs shape cultures ... drugs of all sorts (chocolate, coffee etc) have huge cultural impacts on societies and can even steer the society in one direction or another. I can see how somebody whos looking for information strictly about psychedelics would be turned off, and its not quite the most page-turning read but the information (and the depth of information it contains is staggering. Big pay off if you put in the energy too.
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: chutney]
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: chutney]
#19334185 - 12/27/13 07:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ive never read any psychedelic books except "my problem child" by Hofmann
set,setting,dose is a good thing to explain, then all psychedelics are pretty safe
but dunno where I learned that... I always consider that before tripping maybe erowid?
Stanislav grof Ive only heard good things about
sometimes it is easier to convince people if they know someone famous who have done it lol rather than making them read a book about it, if they have read the book there would be no need for them to dive in likely they can get there by their thoughts by reading the book, that is how books work ;-)
but if you present psychedelics as sacred/mystical, then people get more interested especially when they hear a lot of people have done them, which is true (beatles,pink floyd,steve jobs,philosophers / scientists, shamans in the jungle, Dr. timothy leary, Dr. albert hofmann i.e.)
taketheredpill.blogspot.com ;-)
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: lessismore]
#19334214 - 12/27/13 07:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I tell people I know well, its mainly about fun. Just because it's religious for me doesn't mean it is for everybody, or even a majority of users.
But also trying to let them know that it can lead to mystical experiences, that have the potential to change how you perceive the universe.
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#19334232 - 12/27/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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They made me remember I am a soul in a body, not sure if there is anything more important to remember than that remember who I am, same as always, eternal now without worries ;-)
and also remember that we are all the same and always have been, just easy to forget we dont look the same on the outside but on the inside we are all the same
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: lessismore]
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I guess it comes down to the question "is society ready for the widespread general use of psychedelics?" For every 10 people who trip with no problem there is going to be 1 psycho who goes fucking crazy and gives the drug a bad name
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: s240779]
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: plektheplek]
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plektheplek said: I guess it comes down to the question "is society ready for the widespread general use of psychedelics?" For every 10 people who trip with no problem there is going to be 1 psycho who goes fucking crazy and gives the drug a bad name
people are retarded and believe their psychotic actions are from drugs
shrooms have been used for thousands of years in other places with no regulations outside of age
you're more likely to jump off a bridge sober then while under the influence of a handful of mushrooms
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: Psilosopherr]
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rbalzer said: The easiest to legalize seems like psilocybin to me (feel free to argue the case of which one you think would be easiest!)
MDMA is much more promising and will likely become "legal" or "accepted" before any of the classic psychedelics. It's one step, but there is progress being made.
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But I have no idea what I can do to help. I try to talk to people I know about psychedelics as much as I can. Trying to educate, or at least combat the MASSIVE amounts of misinformation.
I wouldn't quite go on ranting about psychedelics to people, even if the words are truthful and factual. But when the opportunity is there, when the topic/subject is brought up, I like to speak out in a sensible manner. Dispel any myths or false facts that are brought up. I like to go a bit into how these sorts of "things" have been used for millennia and only relatively recently has our society deemed them to be something "bad" .
Go into the basics of their pharmacology and mechanism of action. So many people have heard things like "mushrooms are poison and that's why you trip", or "LSD is stored in your spine and can come out again causing flash backs" , and all sorts of other ridiculous shit that people hear and don't take the time to actually think about. Explaining that the active component in mushrooms has similar structure to serotonin so it binds to the same receptors, that it's not a poison but actually closely related to our own neurotransmitters. Or explaining that LSD is actually metabolized in the body rather quickly, it can't linger or be stored anywhere in the body.
Talk about their therapeutic potential, and make mention of the current research being done with mdma, psilocybin, LSD, and Ibogaine.
Touch on the "risks" involved as well...about set & setting and why most "bad trips" occur is because of the setting the person is in, and/or the mind-set the person is in when they decide to trip. Explain that psychedelics are definitely not for everyone, there are lots of folks that simply should not partake, but with a proper (educated!) approach they are damn near harmless...and over all, they offer lots of creative and therapeutic potential.
Things kinda like that, and in that way/manner, is what I try to talk about. Keeping it sensible, factual, and easy for people to understand. Not letting myself get hyped by my emotions and spewing out ad hominem, because deep down psychedelics are a part of my life and I know what they have to offer, and how fucked it is to throw someone in a cage for such a thing, so sometimes some snide remarks want to come out, but that's not going to help the argument.... Just simply laying out facts, and dispelling falsities...and not sounding like a far out psychedelic fundamentalist .
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ALSO: please chime in with whether or not you think legalization would even be a good thing. Would you rather keep it untaxed/illegal? and why??
I think we need a different approach to what we have now, that's for sure.
First, before becoming outright legal and available, they will be used in clinical settings, which they should be.
As far as being legal and available outside of that.......Well, at the root of this all, is education, not even education in regards to the psychedelics/drugs themselves, but education and knowledge itself in general. The amount of ignorance out there is ridiculous. Trying to make a statement that any drug should be legal and available to adults can go right over a person's head, the thought that we should have freedom over our own conscious and what we put in our bodies never crosses most people's mind, and is easily overshadowed by "drugs are bad, mmkay" .
I think psychedelics (and all drugs) should be available to adults, but not in the ways that alcohol & tobacco are...I'm trying to think of a way that adults could acquire a psychedelic/drug from something essentially like a pharmacy. Something that would be controlled & regulated to a certain extent, but still openly available.
Or another approach I've pondered, for psychedelics specifically, would be allowing people to grow their own psychoactive plants/fungi/cacti, and allow consumption within their own homes or out of the public's "eye". So essentially decriminalization. Being tripped out of your gourd in public would still be illegal, selling/buying would still be illegal, being in possession of large amounts outside your home and transporting more than "personal" amounts would still be illegal...but growing and consumption would be legal. I can see that approach working out quite well.
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: openmind]
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rbalzer said: The easiest to legalize seems like psilocybin to me (feel free to argue the case of which one you think would be easiest!)
MDMA is much more promising and will likely become "legal" or "accepted" before any of the classic psychedelics. It's one step, but there is progress being made.
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But I have no idea what I can do to help. I try to talk to people I know about psychedelics as much as I can. Trying to educate, or at least combat the MASSIVE amounts of misinformation.
I wouldn't quite go on ranting about psychedelics to people, even if the words are truthful and factual. But when the opportunity is there, when the topic/subject is brought up, I like to speak out in a sensible manner. Dispel any myths or false facts that are brought up. I like to go a bit into how these sorts of "things" have been used for millennia and only relatively recently has our society deemed them to be something "bad" .
Go into the basics of their pharmacology and mechanism of action. So many people have heard things like "mushrooms are poison and that's why you trip", or "LSD is stored in your spine and can come out again causing flash backs" , and all sorts of other ridiculous shit that people hear and don't take the time to actually think about. Explaining that the active component in mushrooms has similar structure to serotonin so it binds to the same receptors, that it's not a poison but actually closely related to our own neurotransmitters. Or explaining that LSD is actually metabolized in the body rather quickly, it can't linger or be stored anywhere in the body.
Talk about their therapeutic potential, and make mention of the current research being done with mdma, psilocybin, LSD, and Ibogaine.
Touch on the "risks" involved as well...about set & setting and why most "bad trips" occur is because of the setting the person is in, and/or the mind-set the person is in when they decide to trip. Explain that psychedelics are definitely not for everyone, there are lots of folks that simply should not partake, but with a proper (educated!) approach they are damn near harmless...and over all, they offer lots of creative and therapeutic potential.
Things kinda like that, and in that way/manner, is what I try to talk about. Keeping it sensible, factual, and easy for people to understand. Not letting myself get hyped by my emotions and spewing out ad hominem, because deep down psychedelics are a part of my life and I know what they have to offer, and how fucked it is to throw someone in a cage for such a thing, so sometimes some snide remarks want to come out, but that's not going to help the argument.... Just simply laying out facts, and dispelling falsities...and not sounding like a far out psychedelic fundamentalist .
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ALSO: please chime in with whether or not you think legalization would even be a good thing. Would you rather keep it untaxed/illegal? and why??
I think we need a different approach to what we have now, that's for sure.
First, before becoming outright legal and available, they will be used in clinical settings, which they should be.
As far as being legal and available outside of that.......Well, at the root of this all, is education, not even education in regards to the psychedelics/drugs themselves, but education and knowledge itself in general. The amount of ignorance out there is ridiculous. Trying to make a statement that any drug should be legal and available to adults can go right over a person's head, the thought that we should have freedom over our own conscious and what we put in our bodies never crosses most people's mind, and is easily overshadowed by "drugs are bad, mmkay" .
I think psychedelics (and all drugs) should be available to adults, but not in the ways that alcohol & tobacco are...I'm trying to think of a way that adults could acquire a psychedelic/drug from something essentially like a pharmacy. Something that would be controlled & regulated to a certain extent, but still openly available.
Or another approach I've pondered, for psychedelics specifically, would be allowing people to grow their own psychoactive plants/fungi/cacti, and allow consumption within their own homes or out of the public's "eye". So essentially decriminalization. Being tripped out of your gourd in public would still be illegal, selling/buying would still be illegal, being in possession of large amounts outside your home and transporting more than "personal" amounts would still be illegal...but growing and consumption would be legal. I can see that approach working out quite well.
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I read that entire thing, because you sir know how to write posts.
I really liked the entire first half, the way you explained how you explain psychedelics to people. I think I'll have to take some notes from it.
On the other hand, if it's legal it might as well be full on legal, i think. A variety of options for obtaining them would hopefully spring up. Like some sort of club or religious thing you can become a part of that consumes mushrooms as a ritual or whatever you want to call it.
Along with the homegrown option, or being prescribed by a therapist or psychiatrist in the form of a psilocybin pill. (ideally) Along with the less quality option of buying it from hypothetical online vendors or in headshops.
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: Psilosopherr]
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LSD and mushrooms cured my depression and it lasted 8 months last time I didnt use them for that period
before I was about 90% careless about myself, had gained 40% extra weight, was smoking weed everyday, eating fastfood everyday in large amounts etc.
it all stopped since then, without needing reminder trips
nature is reminder now
so it saddens me when other people are prescribed chemical treatments when the root cause is in the lifestyle/personal problems mushrooms can cure depression in most cases I am pretty sure, and have long lasting effect
if it could cure me it could cure anybody, had been careless about myself for 10 years everyday, fastfood in large quantities everyday for 10 years, didnt eat other food and coke everyday as the only beverage too for 10 years too
now I drink water mostly, and eat healthy/fast often :-) all problems vanished..
hadnt seen my body for 10-15 years I think, was pretty weird seeing it again, thats how careless I was lived 100% as my thoughts for 10 years or more
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: lessismore]
#19334780 - 12/27/13 10:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well to be honest I think as individuals, creating pamphlets for local distribution would be the most viable and efficient way to go about it. Basically every two months or so, send around a pamphlet in your local area stating (with a reference list and using only extremely reliable studies) the positives and negatives, possible medical benefits and a short section with myths and truths at the end.
In my opinion the most important part is not one single word without serious scientific study to back it up and this could become a seriously useful and effective thing. We could create a wikispace page ( http://www.wikispaces.com/ ) which is basically an online document editing thing and it just gives everyone that has been approved access to a single document and people deemed responsible enough could add to this as they find information and once the information is ready it could be formatted into a nice pamphlet by someone and made free to download so people can access it online or print it and distribute it.
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: lessismore]
#19334809 - 12/27/13 10:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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mio said: LSD and mushrooms cured my depression and it lasted 8 months last time I didnt use them for that period
before I was about 90% careless about myself, had gained 40% extra weight, was smoking weed everyday, eating fastfood everyday in large amounts etc.
it all stopped since then, without needing reminder trips
nature is reminder now
so it saddens me when other people are prescribed chemical treatments when the root cause is in the lifestyle/personal problems mushrooms can cure depression in most cases I am pretty sure, and have long lasting effect
if it could cure me it could cure anybody, had been careless about myself for 10 years everyday, fastfood in large quantities everyday for 10 years, didnt eat other food and coke everyday as the only beverage too for 10 years too
now I drink water mostly, and eat healthy/fast often :-) all problems vanished..
hadnt seen my body for 10-15 years I think, was pretty weird seeing it again, thats how careless I was lived 100% as my thoughts for 10 years or more
I'm glad it worked for you too!
Mushrooms have cured my depression as well
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#19335148 - 12/28/13 12:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Psilocybin mushrooms will never be legalized because they occasionally make people go temporarily batshit insane.
Almost always younger people. It's a low percentage of total users, but their behavior is remarkable enough that there is no way the drug will ever be accepted.
It is possible that some progress can be made with the legal status, maybe one day they will be a misdemeanor rather than a felony.
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#19335257 - 12/28/13 01:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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My psychiatrist, a really liberal female, said that Psilocybin is being used in a lot of psychiatric research now. my gut feeling was that it she thinks it is beneficial. I told her i like tripping on mescaline, and she didnt cut off my adderall. She just asked how it made me feel.
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Alan Rockefeller said: Psilocybin mushrooms will never be legalized because they occasionally make people go temporarily batshit insane.
Almost always younger people. It's a low percentage of total users, but their behavior is remarkable enough that there is no way the drug will ever be accepted.
The percent of people who go bat shit insane is very low, not even close to the number of drunks getting violent on a friday night. We don't take beer away from the responsible 85 percent of drinkers so why should we ban mushrooms for the responsible 99 percent? The media way over report on mushroom horror stories and under report on alcohol ones. I don't see why bias like that should be a reason to continue prohibition. I agree with you the very rare horror stories are often pretty horrific. Those stories get exploited by media and the police. The parents of the dead kid are convinced to become anti drug warriors. Debating grieving parents just sucks no matter how good you are. There was a kid in toronto in the 1980s who drowned on LSD. During the inquest into his death there were over a 100 kids who died in alcohol related mishaps. None of them got inquests. One death resulted in a huge law enforcement operation against street sales of LSD. They just used it as an excuse it's not like they cared about dead kids, if they did their efforts would have been directed to booze, the real kiler.
I bet hard drugs get legal before Pyschedelics, those people make a nuisance of themselves and legalizing their drugs will make the addict community less of a bunch of thieves and hobos and the term working addict can be used more often. To Joe average who dosen't take mushroms there is little advantage for him in a law change, why should he care? Junkies not breaking into his car is something he cares about. Huge expense in war on pot he cares about, plus he probably smokes it. People stop caring about acid and mushrooms the day after they quit, alot of ex users actually hate these drugs and want them banned. Despite mushrooms being probably number two most tried illegal drug after pot, and sort of a common sense 2nd to be legal, I don't think they will be 2nd.
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: my3rdeye]
#19335558 - 12/28/13 04:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Once marijuana becomes legal in most places I'd think mushrooms would have a chance at becoming legal.
I think the biggest problem is that we are all taught from a young age that all these substances are "bad" for us so the average Joe is always going to be against it.
I doubt we will see legality of Psilocybin in our lifetimes though  as much as I'd like to see it.
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#19335590 - 12/28/13 04:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition???
Every user should become a grower who not just gives away shrooms freely to their friends but also teaches them how to grow.
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: Asante]
#19335605 - 12/28/13 05:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Claim it and use it as part of your religion.
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: Ritual]
#19335606 - 12/28/13 05:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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See if that holds up in court.
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: Asante]
#19336772 - 12/28/13 12:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition???
Every user should become a grower who not just gives away shrooms freely to their friends but also teaches them how to grow.
that really is all I can do. Teaching the people who are willing to be taught. Allowing people to have mystical experiences which may turn them to our side. Then telling them how incredibly easy it is to grow
Why do we have to live in a world where having freedom over your own mind is not an achievable goal
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#19336805 - 12/28/13 12:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mushrooms haven't become a cultural norm such has marijuana and alcohol. I really don't see them legalized in my lifetime
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: Pureless]
#19336819 - 12/28/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pureless said: Mushrooms haven't become a cultural norm such has marijuana and alcohol. I really don't see them legalized in my lifetime
mainly because they can't really be used daily.
I'll just focus on education. If the public one day accepts it as religious, who knows.
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#19336923 - 12/28/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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i remember my first year of college, i met a kid who was interested to try shrooms. he had connects, so he gave me my first shrooms. i gave him his first dmt.
when i brought up the topic of acid, he immediatley recoiled.
he mentioned permanent damage, holes in the brain, something about it staying in your spine (what??), all that nonsense.
he said he didn't want to end up in france with a top hat riding a unicycle
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: Envix]
#19336937 - 12/28/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Envix said: i remember my first year of college, i met a kid who was interested to try shrooms. he had connects, so he gave me my first shrooms. i gave him his first dmt.
when i brought up the topic of acid, he immediatley recoiled.
he mentioned permanent damage, holes in the brain, something about it staying in your spine (what??), all that nonsense.
he said he didn't want to end up in france with a top hat riding a unicycle
wow, thats fucking sad.
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: Psilosopherr]
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Envix said: i remember my first year of college, i met a kid who was interested to try shrooms. he had connects, so he gave me my first shrooms. i gave him his first dmt.
when i brought up the topic of acid, he immediatley recoiled.
he mentioned permanent damage, holes in the brain, something about it staying in your spine (what??), all that nonsense.
he said he didn't want to end up in france with a top hat riding a unicycle
wow, thats fucking sad.
this is the fucked up part. a year later, his best friend since childhood (who only smoked weed, thought other psychedelics were evil) recapitulated these biases. he was given a cigarette laced with acid, and he didn't know about it. he ended up freaking out and was sent to the hospital. he had a total maniacal meltdown while on campus.
ahhhahahaha. so tragic
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: Asante]
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1. Legalize them for medicinal purposes first. They hold real medical value for treating cluster headaches. It worked for marijuana. People really are suffering because they don't have access to psilocybin. Get it for them first then we've got our foot in the door.
2. Legalize them for religious purposes. Why do people of one heritage get to practice their religion but not us?
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Wiccan_Seeker said: See if that holds up in court.
Why wouldn't it? That's the honest truth and freedom of religion is in our bill of rights that applies to all citizens not just native Americans.
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: searching]
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0985555130/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: searching]
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searching said: 1. Legalize them for medicinal purposes first. They hold real medical value for treating cluster headaches. It worked for marijuana. People really are suffering because they don't have access to psilocybin. Get it for them first then we've got our foot in the door.
2. Legalize them for religious purposes. Why do people of one heritage get to practice their religion but not us?
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Wiccan_Seeker said: See if that holds up in court.
Why wouldn't it? That's the honest truth and freedom of religion is in our bill of rights that applies to all citizens not just native Americans.
you try getting caught with mushrooms and see how they take your religious plee 
the legal system doesn't care about that stuff
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: chutney]
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chutney said: Edit: see your PM
The PM did not go through.
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