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OfflineAlan RockefellerM
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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19335148 - 12/28/13 12:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Psilocybin mushrooms will never be legalized because they occasionally make people go temporarily batshit insane. 

Almost always younger people.  It's a low percentage of total users, but their behavior is remarkable enough that there is no way the drug will ever be accepted.

It is possible that some progress can be made with the legal status, maybe one day they will be a misdemeanor rather than a felony.


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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19335257 - 12/28/13 01:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

My psychiatrist, a really liberal female, said that Psilocybin is being used in a lot of psychiatric research now.  my gut feeling was that it she thinks it is beneficial.  I told her i like tripping on mescaline, and she didnt cut off my adderall.  She just asked how it made me feel.


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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: Alan Rockefeller] * 1
    #19335466 - 12/28/13 03:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Psilocybin mushrooms will never be legalized because they occasionally make people go temporarily batshit insane. 

Almost always younger people.  It's a low percentage of total users, but their behavior is remarkable enough that there is no way the drug will ever be accepted.





The percent of people who go bat shit insane is very low, not even close to the number of drunks getting violent on a friday night. We don't take beer away from the responsible 85 percent of drinkers so why should we ban mushrooms for the responsible 99 percent? The media way over report on mushroom horror stories and under report on alcohol ones. I don't see why bias like that should be a reason to continue prohibition. I agree with you the very rare horror stories are often pretty horrific. Those stories get exploited by media and the police. The parents of the dead kid are convinced to become anti drug warriors. Debating grieving parents just sucks no matter how good you are.
There was a kid in toronto in the 1980s who drowned on LSD. During the inquest into his death there were over a 100 kids who died in alcohol related mishaps. None of them got inquests. One death resulted in a huge law enforcement operation against street sales of LSD. They just used it as an excuse it's not like they cared about dead kids, if they did their efforts would have been directed to booze, the real kiler.   

I bet hard drugs get legal before Pyschedelics, those people make a nuisance of themselves and legalizing their drugs will make the addict community less of a bunch of thieves and hobos and the term working addict can be used more often. To Joe average who dosen't take mushroms there is little advantage for him in a law change, why should he care? Junkies not breaking into his car is something he cares about. Huge expense in war on pot he cares about, plus he probably smokes it. People stop caring about acid and mushrooms the day after they quit, alot of ex users actually hate these drugs and want them banned. Despite mushrooms being probably number two most tried illegal drug after pot, and sort of a common sense 2nd to be legal, I don't think they will be 2nd.


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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: my3rdeye]
    #19335558 - 12/28/13 04:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Once marijuana becomes legal in most places I'd think mushrooms would have a chance at becoming legal.

I think the biggest problem is that we are all taught from a young age that all these substances are "bad" for us so the average Joe is always going to be against it.

I doubt we will see legality of Psilocybin in our lifetimes though :frown:
as much as I'd like to see it.


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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19335590 - 12/28/13 04:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition???




Every user should become a grower who not just gives away shrooms freely to their friends but also teaches them how to grow.


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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: Asante]
    #19335605 - 12/28/13 05:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Claim it and use it as part of your religion.


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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: Ritual]
    #19335606 - 12/28/13 05:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

See if that holds up in court.


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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: Asante]
    #19336772 - 12/28/13 12:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition???




Every user should become a grower who not just gives away shrooms freely to their friends but also teaches them how to grow.



that really is all I can do. Teaching the people who are willing to be taught. Allowing people to have mystical experiences which may turn them to our side. Then telling them how incredibly easy it is to grow

Why do we have to live in a world where having freedom over your own mind is not an achievable goal :nonono:


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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19336805 - 12/28/13 12:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Mushrooms haven't become a cultural norm such has marijuana and alcohol. I really don't see them legalized in my lifetime


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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: Pureless]
    #19336819 - 12/28/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Mushrooms haven't become a cultural norm such has marijuana and alcohol. I really don't see them legalized in my lifetime



mainly because they can't really be used daily.

I'll just focus on education. If the public one day accepts it as religious, who knows.


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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19336923 - 12/28/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i remember my first year of college, i met a kid who was interested to try shrooms. he had connects, so he gave me my first shrooms. i gave him his first dmt.

when i brought up the topic of acid, he immediatley recoiled.

he mentioned permanent damage, holes in the brain, something about it staying in your spine (what??), all that nonsense.

he said he didn't want to end up in france with a top hat riding a unicycle


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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: Envix]
    #19336937 - 12/28/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Envix said:
i remember my first year of college, i met a kid who was interested to try shrooms. he had connects, so he gave me my first shrooms. i gave him his first dmt.

when i brought up the topic of acid, he immediatley recoiled.

he mentioned permanent damage, holes in the brain, something about it staying in your spine (what??), all that nonsense.

he said he didn't want to end up in france with a top hat riding a unicycle



wow, thats fucking sad.


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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19336957 - 12/28/13 12:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Envix said:
i remember my first year of college, i met a kid who was interested to try shrooms. he had connects, so he gave me my first shrooms. i gave him his first dmt.

when i brought up the topic of acid, he immediatley recoiled.

he mentioned permanent damage, holes in the brain, something about it staying in your spine (what??), all that nonsense.

he said he didn't want to end up in france with a top hat riding a unicycle



wow, thats fucking sad.



this is the fucked up part. a year later, his best friend since childhood (who only smoked weed, thought other psychedelics were evil) recapitulated these biases. he was given a cigarette laced with acid, and he didn't know about it. he ended up freaking out and was sent to the hospital. he had a total maniacal meltdown while on campus.


ahhhahahaha. so tragic


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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: Asante]
    #19337015 - 12/28/13 01:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

1. Legalize them for medicinal purposes first.  They hold real medical value for treating cluster headaches.  It worked for marijuana.  People really are suffering because they don't have access to psilocybin. Get it for them first then we've got our foot in the door.

2. Legalize them for religious purposes. Why do people of one heritage get to practice their religion but not us?

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Claim it and use it as part of your religion.



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See if that holds up in court.




Why wouldn't it? That's the honest truth and freedom of religion is in our bill of rights that applies to all citizens not just native Americans.


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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: searching]
    #19337049 - 12/28/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0985555130/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Not sure if this book would help you win your case but it does have some good info in it


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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: searching]
    #19337327 - 12/28/13 02:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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1. Legalize them for medicinal purposes first.  They hold real medical value for treating cluster headaches.  It worked for marijuana.  People really are suffering because they don't have access to psilocybin. Get it for them first then we've got our foot in the door.

2. Legalize them for religious purposes. Why do people of one heritage get to practice their religion but not us?

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Ritual said:
Claim it and use it as part of your religion.



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Wiccan_Seeker said:
See if that holds up in court.




Why wouldn't it? That's the honest truth and freedom of religion is in our bill of rights that applies to all citizens not just native Americans.



you try getting caught with mushrooms and see how they take your religious plee :lol:

the legal system doesn't care about that stuff


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Re: What can we do as individuals to help end psilocybin prohibition??? [Re: chutney]
    #19338132 - 12/28/13 06:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Edit: see your PM




The PM did not go through.


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