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ferrel_human
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Big L said: I wasn't meaning any disrespect. I know a guy who is autistic, so it's cool.  

 My wife works with the psychotics. Autistic included. I dont think she is autistic, maybe ADHD but not autistic.
Anywyas her methods are very unorthodox. Really fast real quick? Its like an infomercial. For as much as people knock it, the ones on here that are new aand looking to get "high" would definitly buy this setup. I can hear it now,
"Hey man this chick on the shroomery said if I buy $1000 of dollars worth of equipment I can grow 100 peyote buttons every month we can eat. Its gonna be so rad" said the college student growing In a closet.
Anyways I dont think she has ever mentioned eating it but no one grows like that just to grow like that. Maybe a survival method or apocalypse in mind.
Hey anne, why dont you do a different genus? And why dont you add some stronger lights?
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anne halonium
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the ones on here that are new aand looking to get "high" would definitly buy this setup.
Hey anne, why dont you do a different genus? And why dont you add some stronger lights?
concept is intended for cloners. and breeders needing high output of any type cacti.
dual use for hedonism would be up to practioners.
may not appeal to noobs, as it requires some skill. otherwise , half the whiners on this thread would have done it already.
so let me get this straight, cuz the tek is so dramatic, it may draw peeps that want high output farms?
 i would never have guessed. how awful. i cant imagine this compliant happening to you guys.
you guys are reaching.
as or the lights? do ya have any clue what LED 7500k+ @ 1 foot @ 150+W does to a plant? i do. in a day or 2, were gonna show outdoor vs indoor pereskiopsis. then youll know also.
stay tuned, im in and out, more to come.
Edited by anne halonium (12/30/13 01:37 PM)
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Re: anne halonium X HTTL [Re: Big L]
#19346344 - 12/30/13 01:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Big L said:

The picture on the left is etiolated and the picture on the right is a part of the tap root. They have nothing to do with each other. Putting them into one image with red lines, will not change that. I am sure you have an ad hominem about why I am wrong.
I would say a substantial portion of what is between those two lines in the 'natural' pic is actually underground stem tissue rather than root tissue (the part that is more uniformly conical.) It's certainly possible to grow them fatter than that under different lighting regimens though as we all know. I've seen other pics of Anne's where plants with a much flatter traditional looking aesthetic were grown under mostly blue light. Personally I prefer the fatter aesthetic but I can see the appeal of columnar style growth somewhat from a propagation perspective. A columnar growth habit may (?) result in more areoles per gram of biomass, and each areole is a potential new growing tip.
IMO a lot boils down to preference and individual circumstance. LED has potential to be very power efficient because you're not wasting energy on useless parts of the spectrum, but you have to weigh the power savings against the relatively high initial cost. I'm not convinced it's right for my needs at this time personally, but I would certainly be interested to try it out when I can spare the cash. There are also a lot of shitty products on the market from what I gather.
The deep water culture thing seems finicky for my neglectful growing style but I can see the potential for packing a lot of scions into a given space. With the seedling trays I use there is a lot of wasted space. A 2" grid means they can grow to that diameter before they touch, but for the bulk of the time they're on the grafts they are nowhere near that size. In a shared soil space they can be packed to arbitrary density but then transplanting is a hassle when they get big enough. I can definitely see the appeal of just drilling holes at arbitrary spacing in the lid of a plastic container.
Substrate mass is something that you may or may not give a fuck about depending on your circumstances. With a flood and drain type setup you may not have to move your plants much at all so the weight is kind of immaterial. Someday I'd love to have a fully automated flood and drain setup for cacti but it's also not in my budget right now. I do things manually so the weight is a big factor.
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anne halonium
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Re: anne halonium X HTTL [Re: psi]
#19346347 - 12/30/13 01:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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the voice of an experienced scale graft grower.
your always a favorite psi.
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ferrel_human
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ferrel_human said:
the ones on here that are new aand looking to get "high" would definitly buy this setup.
Hey anne, why dont you do a different genus? And why dont you add some stronger lights?
concept is intended for cloners. and breeders needing high output of any type cacti.
dual use for hedonism would be up to practioners.
may not appeal to noobs, as it requires some skill. otherwise , half the whiners on this thread would have done it already.
so let me get this straight, cuz the tek is so dramatic, it may draw peeps that want high out put farms?

you guys are reaching.
as or the lights? do ya have any clue what 7500k+ @ 1 foot @ 150+W does to a plant? i do. in a day or 2, were gonna show outdoor vs indoor pereskiopsis. then youll know also.
stay tuned, im in and out, more to come.
Other genus too are in high demand. Maybe ariocarpus or astrophytum. You would definitly win with aztekium.
You should do hydro but outside under a shade cloth. I bet you would get extreme size with a bit more natural look. Fuck, I may even try this, I like the speed but the way they look under them crazy lights is not my cup of tea.
I think I would do a solution with more phosphorus.
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anne halonium
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we actually have other ones on the blog. ( link below) not really interested in other types, one type is good to test variations in concept with clones.
were essentially equal growth indoors under LED now. we have grown outside. forests are attacked by pests in hours. and it negates the indoor advantage of stealth.
as with all DWC , solution is tricky. there may well be better nute mixes. i have a post planned on this.
ATM we concentrate on proof of concept, and practical usage with minimal easy supplies.
im sure as time goes on, it will become a nute contest.
this is not " oh , evolve into dirt / clay pots in a window." bzzzzzzt. annie knows that one. this is, " grow fast, grow now, minimal supplies, no prisoners"
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ferrel_human
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..were essentially equal growth indoors under LED now. we have grown outside. forests are attacked by pests in hours. and it negates the indoor advantage of stealth. ....
I dont think you equal the growth of outdoors because it's slower. You mean you speed it up. Anyways I think you should visit www.xerohpilia.ro and download the stone eaters pdf. Wonderful insight into how nature works. I wrote up a thread too. Your "forests of plants" get decimated because they grow weak. Do you add anything to strengthen the immune sytems of said plants? Any hormones?
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theMallacht
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I too would like to know the end game of merely cloning the same lophs over and over by grafting/regrafting pups endlessly, and having a bunch of water-filled lophs that are gigantic but have very little dry substance to them at all, very little genetic diversity, all for what?
To have the most lophs, visually? I mean visually because I guarantee if one were to dehydrate all of ferrel's lophs, or anyone else's here for that matter, and compare it to the entirety of all of the lophs you've got, your dry weight would be dwarfed in comparison.
I'm honestly not trying to flame or anything here, but these HTTL threads are beginning to seem like a desperate ploy for attention. All of the holier than thou talk, condescending anyone who disagrees with anything you say has just been spread from forum to forum now. All with the same result: people disagree, you condescend and talk about "team annie this" and all of your other self-indulgent terminologies you personally invented, people get pissed and you act like you're being attacked. I've watched this happen like some sort of insane cyclical event, over and over. What's that old phrase about insanity, trying the same thing twice and expecting different results, right?
There's an old saying, goes something like "If you think everyone in the world is an asshole, you're the asshole"
I'll leave you with this:
“A truly strong person does not need the approval of others any more than a lion needs the approval of sheep.” Vernon Howard
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anne halonium
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indoor dirt and rock wool forests are lost because of pests and environmentals. fact is , some of the forests , were lost by size alone. this is why we developed this tek....to avoid all that, and still get output.
i havent seen a HTTL forest collapse. greatest danger, is heads breaking from size and handling.
HTTL forests arent lost easily unless ya fuck up the water. thats the point.
done right, peres can last years in water.
not interested in stones in the least, those interested in experiments beyond my work, best of luck. i do what i do, and report. if it exceeds a frame of reference, what can i say.?
i grow hormone free. its a skill ,NPK , light, and water game here.
in case anyone misses the side point here, and before i continue, i challenge anyone to the exceed system as presented, for speed, biomass, sub size/ weight/ power consumption and sustainability..........
should be easy guys, seeing as how im telling ya how i do it with pics even.
more to come, and details. i still consider this the " opener" and, youll need to understand this, before i teach ya the latest tek......." aerophora", wich actually, blows this tek down IMO.
in the new age.
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theMallacht said: I too would like to know the end game of merely cloning the same lophs over and over by grafting/regrafting pups endlessly, and having a bunch of water-filled lophs that are gigantic but have very little dry substance to them at all, very little genetic diversity, all for what?
^yawn.

they are no more hydrated than a fully hydrated loph. and they are quite dense. the water balloon myth was exploded a while back. what , ya dont think i ever dried any? or ran an A/B?...lol
as for clones? maybe your world works like that, mine doesnt. we have over 30 clones types , selected from over 20k seeds over 15 yrs. some have been cloned and re cloned , and re rooted over years, with no apparent genetic loss.
i clone alot, for crop consistancy. no rule says anyone can random seed a phorest. thats another option in the new age.
oh, and as for insanity, i think your talking about everyone else replicating old teks, and trying to fantasize, they out run HTLL. something possible , only for those who havent tried it.
if anything mallacht,your here for the attention. im presenting a tek, your not.
ive noticed the fungi peeps do that alot also.
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ferrel_human
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I am not being confrontational, I just want to discredit " your" method. All In a civilized manner.
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anne halonium
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good luck, youll need more experience first. cant discredit, what ya dont understand, .....or cant do.
this tek is almost a decade old. im sorta shocked ya all didnt give up the fantasy long ago.
once again, beat it, and prove it. its a cold challenge.
someone eventually will sooner or later. pry wont be you ferrel.
PSI, stands a chance though. hes one of the best growers here. pure genius......... i wish he would show ya all his secret pics.
more to come, im actually in the middle of a party ATM, so , it may take a day till im back with my main hard drives to continue...........happy new yrs BTW.
Edited by anne halonium (12/30/13 05:17 PM)
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theMallacht
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Experience? Lol... Ferrel has more experience growing true cacti in his pointer finger than you have in your entire being.
You know Anne, it's funny how you always completely ignore when others make criticism, albeit constructive or not, towards the outright cocky and arrogant way you conduct yourself. It's almost like you're just one of those people that has a hyper-inflamed sense of self importance, and won't listen to any kind of reason at all.
You would be much easier to handle if you at least weren't a bitch about it, as someone eloquently said above.
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this tek is almost a decade old.
EXACTLY my point! So why are you still trolling around from forum to forum and introducing it like it's the most unreal, new and exciting thing to ever hit gardening/horticulture since the hand trowel?
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we have over 30 clones types , selected from over 20k seeds over 15 yrs.
Who exactly is "We"., I have asked this before as well, and been ignored. Who exactly is "team annie" and these supposed people you've had working for you, doing a menial, pointless, task for 15 years?
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SuperD
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So many questions, so few answers lol.
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anne halonium
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theMallacht said: Experience? Lol... Ferrel has more experience growing true cacti in his pointer finger than you have in your entire being.
let him prove it then, with a grow tek, hes at a loss attacking my tek it seems.
You know Anne, it's funny how you always completely ignore when others make criticism,
i only ignore peeps with no experience with my work who pose from armchairs
You would be much easier to handle if you at least weren't a bitch . you mean easier for you to dominate with your limited experience.
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this tek is almost a decade old.
EXACTLY my point! So why are you still trolling around from forum to forum and introducing it like it's the most unreal, new and exciting thing to ever hit gardening/horticulture since the hand trowel?
it is , with the newset updates
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we have over 30 clones types , selected from over 20k seeds over 15 yrs.
Who exactly is "We"., I have asked this before as well, and been ignored. Who exactly is "team annie" and these supposed people you've had working for you, doing a menial, pointless, task for 15 years?
"We".i credit my research and support team. if you dont creidt yours, its rude...........
mallacht , didnt i dismiss you on that dead topia forum? offer something beyond your take on me, like , um something constructive about the grow for instance.
trying to party here, and you guys are just gonna HAVe to do better.
for those not in fantasy land, more to come, and details also.
oh super D , my least favorite admitted noob troll. your right, you have lots of questions. and no answers........ STFU and learn something.... in a few yrs, ya might be able to grow.
Edited by anne halonium (12/30/13 05:53 PM)
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SuperD
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I'm not here to troll you but I am here to report posts that violate the forum rules. So do exercise a little caution while partying. Happy new years by the way. One of these days you'll pay closer attention and realize I am a grower and have been growing for years now.
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anne halonium
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Re: anne halonium X HTTL [Re: SuperD]
#19347563 - 12/30/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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GOOD. REPORT YOURSELF FOR CRASHING A THREAD OFF TOPIC.
mods, show this zero contribution character super d. the door.
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SuperD said: I am a grower and have been growing for years now.
 your an admitted noob.
last time ya tried this, ya trotted out a sad diseased loph .......... i actually felt bad for ya , and PM'ed a mod, and said i was embarrased for ya. i felt like i shot a kid or something.
i have a party to attend. slander and distort on, ill catch up, the tek has survived several forums and a decade. youll have to do more to to soil this water tek.
stay tuned ........then more details.
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Re: anne halonium X HTTL [Re: SuperD]
#19347594 - 12/30/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I was actually curious as to what the answers to the questions posed above would be. How that is off topic is beyond me.
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Re: anne halonium X HTTL [Re: SuperD]
#19347604 - 12/30/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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observe, as the tek continues, and learn the answers......
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Re: anne halonium X HTTL [Re: SuperD]
#19347612 - 12/30/13 05:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You'll have to refresh my memory on this diseased loph I trotted out. Linking to the post would be most appropriate, if you have time. I have two greenhouses full of lophs small and large and none diseased. I think you may be mistaken in who you were talking to. Party on.
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ferrel_human
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Re: anne halonium X HTTL [Re: SuperD]
#19347652 - 12/30/13 06:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Read the sig lady. From experience only. There is perils and pitfalls. Obviously you are perfect ma'am. Very well gott go hit up the true growers where the lophophora growers unite.
And Maybe I wont discredit it because I wont even bother to try with such a stupid method of growing cacti. WHO GROW IN FUCKING ROCKs. Hello!
A tek brought to you in part by a stupid rough neck. Nuff said. Bye bye jesus christ.
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