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anne halonium X HTTL * 3
    #19333431 - 12/27/13 03:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

im anne halonium.
some know me some dont...............

presented is my XHTTL.
(extreme hydro test tube lophophora)
based on my previous HTTL works.
it requires its own thread.

its rather simple and direct.
observe.



PP5 cups, are lid drilled 1/2 inch x4.
hydro pereskiopsis , started in 10-10-10 NPK.
when the pereskiopsis are good and vibrant, graft.

in this case , clones were used.
as you can see, they grow fast.
seeds? , works the same........

hydro water, changed about every 10 days.
lights?
LED 5400K and LLE 7500k 150 W combo.
side chip lights for color flavor on lower leaves. 450 nm and 680 nm.

100 or so days for pereskiopsis, about 75 days for largest grafts.

the key to this kind of thing, is hyper power pereskiopsis.


auntie anne-itty says......
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Re: anne halonium X HTTL [Re: anne halonium]
    #19333830 - 12/27/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Dang woman,those have got to be the healthiest Pereskiopsis I've ever seen,and the Lophs ain't half bad either:awethumb:


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Re: anne halonium X HTTL [Re: anne halonium]
    #19333896 - 12/27/13 06:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Nice to see this written up in its own thread. :thumbup:

What's the fertiliser ratio? Half? Quarter strength?

Might do up a test hydro pot and try it out under my stone age fluorescents....:tongue2:


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Re: anne halonium X HTTL [Re: anne halonium]
    #19333954 - 12/27/13 06:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Looking good Anne. The holes in the lids thing looks like a good system.


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Re: anne halonium X HTTL [Re: psi] * 7
    #19334032 - 12/27/13 06:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Is it only me, or do the scions look mostly undeveloped?  After 75 days under "subpar" normal florescent or MH/HPS there should be at least 2-3 row of ribs developed.  These only appear extremely bloated (as we see with overwatering similar graphs in soil), and do not actually appear to be growing that well to me.  I guess we'll see after a few more months...

Edit:  I would also like to add that none of these are ascetically pleasing to me... in the least.  I am not trying to belittle your style, and think experimentation like this is great.  I'm just still not sold yet...


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Re: anne halonium X HTTL [Re: karode13]
    #19335514 - 12/28/13 04:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Great thread, Anne. :thumbup:


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Re: anne halonium X HTTL [Re: hookahhead] * 4
    #19335567 - 12/28/13 04:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

hookahhead said:
Is it only me, or do the scions look mostly undeveloped?  After 75 days under "subpar" normal florescent or MH/HPS there should be at least 2-3 row of ribs developed.  These only appear extremely bloated (as we see with overwatering similar graphs in soil), and do not actually appear to be growing that well to me.  I guess we'll see after a few more months...

Edit:  I would also like to add that none of these are ascetically pleasing to me... in the least.  I am not trying to belittle your style, and think experimentation like this is great.  I'm just still not sold yet...




For comparison, this is 75 days growth after grafting from seed, under CFL, zero leaves left on the pereskiopsis, and it is in soil.



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Re: anne halonium X HTTL [Re: Mostly_Harmless] * 1
    #19336102 - 12/28/13 08:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Exactly... Looks similar or slightly better (my opinion) than Anne's and hers was from a pup not seed...


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Re: anne halonium X HTTL [Re: hookahhead]
    #19336574 - 12/28/13 11:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hi anne. Nice work. Taking a seat on this one. I wish I had some peres to graft on


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Re: anne halonium X HTTL [Re: tizoc4u]
    #19337092 - 12/28/13 01:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Great stuff Anne :thumbup:

Keep up the good work


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Re: anne halonium X HTTL [Re: anne halonium]
    #19337143 - 12/28/13 01:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:popcorn:


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Re: anne halonium X HTTL [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #19337439 - 12/28/13 03:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Mm mm mm Lophy-pops........


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Re: anne halonium X HTTL [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #19337479 - 12/28/13 03:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Would be very nice to got large numbers of similar grafted plants.. I'm just think are these good if I'm on the road long time and no one care plants?
One reason why I am no much into hydro-pereskiopsis is maintenance of them.

I'm just very lazy to even grow cannabis or any similar plants in hydro.:lol:
Once I tried hydro cannabis, never again! Just too much work for one plant.. :eek:

Seems you have enough enthusiasm to grow peyote with pereskiopsis.
How long it takes from seed to flower? (I'm interested of growing some seeds from own plants with pereskiopsis grafting)

Would be fun to try for serious but I am too lazy with watering or maintenance of watering and fertilizing.

I'm not expert of pereskiopsis at all so I would ask can you left these alone for long time without care..? How long is too much for hydro-pereskiopsis before stock plant dies to drought, can loph scion help to keep pereskiopsis stock alive longer time compared to same size pereskiopsis without no scion?

Only I know about drought and pereskiopsis I succeed to keep alive pot of pereskiopsis plants by leaving the pot sit above the tray of water before I left from home. Also one survivor was preskiopsis with loph scion on it. Rest of pereskiopsis was died to drought.. I suspect loph scion have something to do because everything was same except one had scion attached on it.

Annie is this possibe? can lophophora scion improve pereskiopsis dry tolerance or do I had some luck?

I'm just curious, how long these can tolerate drought at growing season?

Before I start even think anything like this I would want to know can I grow these like normal cacti and hit the road without care of watering.
Do annie have tested (or have any information) about how long drought pereskiopsis with scion can endure before stock die? Can scion as "water storage" keep the pereskiopsis stock alive longer time compared to pereskiopisis without scion? :tongue2:

Do you have any other lophs? ...fricii, koehresii, diffusa? pics from flowering season?
:dancer:

Nice job, you have really put money and effort to grow peyote :thumbup: ...I'm too lazy for growing like that but would be fun to observe your work.


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Re: anne halonium X HTTL [Re: intelligentlife]
    #19342194 - 12/29/13 03:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

hmmmmm..........




i dont think their is alot of doubt,
that  annie can grow big ones in dirt, or hydro DWC, or rockwool,
under CFL. LED / or tube flouros, or sun,
clones, seeds, re roots or naturals.
even forests full......scale.
and ,that we have rulers.



this is all, old teks to us,
and not the point of this exercise.
this exercise is about hyper crop efficiency.

we present,
the idea of small rapid bio mass hydro hyper gardens,
using water, NPK, PP5 and LED light.



we suspect max speed is about 2 cm month.
once ya hit that, it becomes about efficiency/ biomass/ space/ energy/ weight/ lights.
thats the point  for this thread..
we routinely clip along 1.7+. cm.
if were beat by a day and a percent, we wont die.
were into crop averages, and clones differences.

testing the old teks to their limits in general,
we realized things needed juiced up to annie speed.

observe.......



the typical dirt pereskiopsis.note the roots.
the roots, and the leaves........
this is baking under about 340W tube t-8 flouro 6500k.
they grow fast, but heat, light and space, make it a joke.
and the peres dont get fat.



note the tubs, thats about as dense as ya can get em.
and note the weeds.....lol.
you think you wont get weeds on a sustainable large dense crop?
lol.


a way around this is rockwool......note density



ya still have the same light issues though.....
and those that dont understand rockwool nuances, are in for nasty surprises.
it works, but has issues fer sure...



tubes get around all the soil issues.
but, limit root size, and ya have handling and light issues remain.



flasks are fantastic, but poor surface area, and height/ space issues.
they beat the root size issues though.



as you can see , alot of commonly used teks,
clearly have size, weight, space, power, handling, contam, , sustainable crop issues.


the answer, is obviously PP5 cup with drilled lid,
handling, safety, good root set , and allows for versatility in lighting.

next 2 pics....
LED hydro cup garden and dirt garden with tubes.



dirt garden weighs 3x, uses 2x electric, double heat, has all its dirt issues, and can only do about 60% capacity of PP5 cups in same a footprint 1.5x!

translation, team annie way= less space, way less weight, way less power, way less heat way more lophs .....+/- known max speeds.



so guys , should be obvious.
want lots fast on a shelf? thats how ya do it.


if ya want one in a clay pot languishing,
or a few grafts in your potted collection,
ignore this tek.

alot of teks enable you to grow lophs.
this tek is aimed at those that want alot of lophs fast on a shelf.

note also.......
cuttings from XHTTL , youll note they are quite dense, and very thick skinned.
fully hydrated, but no more than a fully hydrated natural.
and very chloro green.

 

i suspect were as true to form as we need to be,
re root one of them to the top red line,
hibernate a season in a clay pot, and most would think its.........

in the new age, you can do these things.




note : hookah......
grow some hydro, well talk.
im not too concerned with your aesthetics otherwise.


Edited by anne halonium (12/29/13 05:11 PM)


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Re: anne halonium X HTTL [Re: anne halonium]
    #19342269 - 12/29/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I have never in my life:awesurprise:


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Re: anne halonium X HTTL [Re: anne halonium]
    #19342273 - 12/29/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Anne, do you notice a significant difference in scion growth speed on Pereskiopsis with full set of leaves, compared to those without any? I've always wondered how much impact would removing the leaves and areoles have.


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Re: anne halonium X HTTL [Re: Tangich]
    #19342318 - 12/29/13 04:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:awesurprise: is a team annie cornerstone.

allow me once again........



as for leaves......
ill suggest you can do good without, but its better if ya have em.



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Re: anne halonium X HTTL [Re: anne halonium] * 4
    #19342808 - 12/29/13 05:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

All this crazy talk is making my penis soft.:angrykidface:


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Re: anne halonium X HTTL [Re: ferrel_human]
    #19342914 - 12/29/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

variations of lighting  color and lighting angles,
can create shapes , and shows strain variations.




or.....



you can just generate lots of little re roots in a pot.



it works....
lots fast, with low power, low heat, low weight subs, and durable easy handle containers, custom shapes , custom sizes,
stealthy , mobile, affordable and reliable,
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Re: anne halonium X HTTL [Re: anne halonium]
    #19343019 - 12/29/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

anne halonium said:
variations of lighting  color and lighting angles,
can create shapes , and shows strain variations.




or.....



you can just generate lots of little re roots in a pot.



it works....
lots fast, with low power, low heat, low weight subs, and durable easy handle containers, custom shapes , custom sizes,
stealthy , mobile, affordable and reliable,
in the new age.




:awewtf:

Hey, what is supposed to be the end result or are have you just gone mad?


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