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OfflinebiscoHead
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DMT Secretion at Death?
    #19332849 - 12/27/13 12:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I know a lot of people believe that DMT is secreted from your pineal gland at birth and at death, but what about the people who die crazy deaths like being incinerated in a plane crash or being blown to shreds by a grenade. Obviously their brains are gone right away.

I dunno, I'm just high and thinking. :confused:

Any ideas or feedback?


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Re: DMT Secretion at Death? [Re: biscoHead]
    #19333166 - 12/27/13 02:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Of course we're all guessing (and of course no one should "explore" this)...  but I suspect the death moment is blissful for all who experience it.  The "lead-in" can be dreadful, but the final moment, I suspect, is always blissful.

Nature is beneficent.  It takes a wide angle internal "camera" to capture that reality, but nature is beneficent.


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Re: DMT Secretion at Death? [Re: all this beauty]
    #19336879 - 12/28/13 12:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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all this beauty said:
Of course we're all guessing (and of course no one should "explore" this)...  but I suspect the death moment is blissful for all who experience it.




What about those who die too quickly to even experience a 'death moment'?  Say, by getting incinerated in a nuclear blast?


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Re: DMT Secretion at Death? [Re: deCypher]
    #19337053 - 12/28/13 01:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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deCypher said:
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all this beauty said:
Of course we're all guessing (and of course no one should "explore" this)...  but I suspect the death moment is blissful for all who experience it.




What about those who die too quickly to even experience a 'death moment'?  Say, by getting incinerated in a nuclear blast?



Hmm...  Yes.

I have an answer for that, too.  :wink:

Perhaps even then there is a friendly reminder from God, Dao, nature, whatever you want to call it, that you were safe before you were nuked and are now, re-merged with the Mother Ship, still safe.

In the words of Zhuangzi, an early Daoist philosopher and extremely extremely holy man...

"Where could I be sent that would not be all right?"


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Re: DMT Secretion at Death? [Re: biscoHead]
    #19337094 - 12/28/13 01:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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biscoHead said:
I know a lot of people believe that DMT is secreted from your pineal gland at birth and at death




I hear this idea all the time but have never found even the slightest piece of evidence for the claim that DMT is released in the brain in connection with death.  I've searched the scientific literature and mostly found unrelated material and case studies of people or animals dying after ingesting DMT-related mixtures that contained bufotenine.

I think Rick Straussman mentions in his book on DMT that he suspects it might be released in connection with death because of the similarity between near death experiences and DMT experiences, but he didn't publish any actual research or evidence of such a thing happening.

I don't believe anybody has the slightest clue whether DMT is released at the time of death. :shrug:


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Re: DMT Secretion at Death? [Re: hmmn]
    #19337153 - 12/28/13 01:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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hmmn said:
I don't believe anybody has the slightest clue whether DMT is released at the time of death. :shrug:




You're absolutely right, but that doesn't stop anyone from believing it.  :lol:


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Re: DMT Secretion at Death? [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19340258 - 12/29/13 04:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I don't buy the DMT cop-out for everything. I'd like to believe there are far more complex processes at hand when we dream, have near death experiences, etc. Whatever is going on is likely NMDA Antagonism related. A study found that out of People who died & were resuscitated, the ones who had near death experiences had higher blood levels of carbon dioxide. If you know anything about Carbogen or Meduna's Mixture you'll know that carbon dioxide can create K-hole like effects, even when administered with levels of oxygen that prevent the Carbon Dioxide from doing brain damage. I'm trying to track down the links I read about this shit from since it's been so long but Erowid isn't loading & I'm certain that's where I read about this. I personally find the theory that rising levels of carbon dioxide triggers an endogenous NMDA-receptor antagonist to block receptors to prevent the ensuing brain damage from a flood of glutamate to be more interesting than the DMT suggestion. It would make more sense too because anybody whose died & had an NDE would have had to have had a suffocation related type death to have been able to be revived. I'll see about posting links when I can find them.


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