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Liver damage from mushrooms
    #19331714 - 12/27/13 04:20 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So my room mate has pretty bad liver problems and he says its from mushrooms. He also told me how he ate a whole ounce once and was throwing up blood and was hospitalized. Something about dying and being brought back from liver failure.


Ive heard about alot of deaths but only know cubes and such as medicine for the body, mind, and spirit. Death doesnt even enter my mind when thinking of shrooms. But OD seems possible.

If there are such damages occurring would milk thistle reverse the damage or prevent damage if taken while dosing?

I was also wondering If I brewed mushroom tea with milk thistle would i get effects from both as much as I would if I brewed them separate?

Hoping some crazy expert on here can lay down some gnarly info for me thats concrete.

Thanks for the help!:thumbup:


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Re: Liver damage from mushrooms [Re: Adustus]
    #19331722 - 12/27/13 04:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Did you mate grow the shrooms or pick them from the wild? I'd guess that he might of had a few UN-identifyed mushrooms in his mix


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Re: Liver damage from mushrooms [Re: Adustus]
    #19331728 - 12/27/13 04:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Are you worried about any potential damage to yourself in the future, or wondering about your room mate's story?
I can tell you that P. cubensis does not contain any toxins damaging to the liver. Extreme usage may put some strain on it, but it alone would not do any lasting damage.
Your roommate likely had liver problems unrelated to mushrooms, and eating an ounce of mushrooms would definitely be a challenge for the stomach. If he's a drinker, that would explain both the damaged stomach and liver . Mushrooms only brought it to light.
You don't have to worry about liver damage at all if you don't have any previous known liver issues, and there is no need to take milk thistle with mushrooms. Although with our current lifestyle, and the strain we put on our livers, milk thistle should be a common supplement.


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Re: Liver damage from mushrooms [Re: Tangich]
    #19331748 - 12/27/13 04:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Are you worried about any potential damage to yourself in the future, or wondering about your room mate's story?
I can tell you that P. cubensis does not contain any toxins damaging to the liver. Extreme usage may put some strain on it, but it alone would not do any lasting damage.
Your roommate likely had liver problems unrelated to mushrooms, and eating an ounce of mushrooms would definitely be a challenge for the stomach. If he's a drinker, that would explain both the damaged stomach and liver . Mushrooms only brought it to light.
You don't have to worry about liver damage at all if you don't have any previous known liver issues, and there is no need to take milk thistle with mushrooms. Although with our current lifestyle, and the strain we put on our livers, milk thistle should be a common supplement.




Tangich Ive been getting alot of good info from you man. So I know when I see you pop up I got some good stuff:thumbup: Thanks.

He is quite the drinker and they were cubes. So Id assume that he was suffering from mixing things he shouldnt have. Ill speak with him about it more.

This was merely for my own personal reference for future doses. When Im away and this sort of thing is a legal medicinal practice I intend to offer it as a method of healing to people. Anything that can reverse brain damage must be good. I just didnt want to harm people unknowingly. Though I assume Im far from helping people and still very much learning.

Thanks for the info guys:thumbup:


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Re: Liver damage from mushrooms [Re: Adustus]
    #19331760 - 12/27/13 05:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

They weren't cubes if he ended up in the hospital with liver failure.


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Re: Liver damage from mushrooms [Re: Adustus]
    #19331871 - 12/27/13 06:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Milk thistle is supposed to be helpful against amatoxins found predominantly in the Amanita genus. There is to my knowledge never been amatoxins found in any psilocybe. One thing to remember is not all mushrooms are created equal, there are mushrooms that will downright destroy your liver, then there are mushrooms you could eat evveryday for the rest of your life and likely see improvement in liver function. 

Your friend is likely mistaken, if they were in fact cubensis then there should be no damage to the liver even in conjunction with alcohol. It is either a different mushroom or the liver damage came from excessive drinking. Alcohol is far more toxic than psychedelic mushrooms. Alcohol is one of the only drugs where withdrawal can actually kill you.  There are many things including over the counter pain meds such as acetaminophen (Tylenol) that when mixed with alcohol can seriously mess your liver up, but psilocybes are not one of them.

If he landed himself in the hospital you might want to talk to him about his drinking, something certainly isn't right here and its not the mushrooms. Also I don't think that eating a whole ounce of (dry) psilocybin mushrooms is advisable, not due to toxic effects but rather the impact they will have on ones psyche.


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Re: Liver damage from mushrooms [Re: Adustus]
    #19331883 - 12/27/13 06:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Adustus said:
So my room mate has pretty bad liver problems and he says its from mushrooms. He also told me how he ate a whole ounce once and was throwing up blood and was hospitalized. Something about dying and being brought back from liver failure.




I can pretty much guarantee you that your friend ate an ounce of assorted field-picked mushrooms, some of which were cubes and some of which were poisonous. It's either that or excessive consumption of alcohol, both of which is pretty stupid (but the alcoholism I can forgive because addiction is a bitch). There's no way just cubes screwed up his liver.

Milk Thistle helps with damage from mushrooms in the Amanita species. The toxins are in some other species aswell. However, I can tell you that 1oz of Amanita muscaria is not toxic. I have eaten that myself. Other mushrooms in the Amanita species, yes quite certainly (like the Death Cap).


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Re: Liver damage from mushrooms [Re: Adustus]
    #19331917 - 12/27/13 06:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

While I'm not a doctor and I have no idea about the severity of your buddies drinking problem--I have struggled with alcohol problems in the past and know that blaming innocent things to avoid acknowledging that I had a drinking problem, or that it was even bad--is a big part of the addiction. I drank fifth's of Whiskey 4 nights a week for about a decade and even polished off 1/2 gallon's a few nights. The day-after big binges--when I had stomach pain, chest pain, liver, etc. I would always skip right past my best friend of alcohol while searching for something to point the finger at.

Luckily, I had another life scare that made me change my ways and broke out of many bad habits before severe damage occurred.


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Re: Liver damage from mushrooms [Re: nooneman]
    #19332021 - 12/27/13 07:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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They weren't cubes if he ended up in the hospital with liver failure.




This.

There are poisonous mushrooms that are known to cause liver failure. The doc probably told him that they damage the liver so he wouldn't take mushrooms again. Lol.

You can't believe anyone, people are always trying to manipulate people.


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Re: Liver damage from mushrooms [Re: Adustus]
    #19332693 - 12/27/13 11:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

^ Yep, many mushrooms are completely harmless.

Many are also poisonous.


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Re: Liver damage from mushrooms [Re: Into The Woods]
    #19332712 - 12/27/13 11:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Many are also poisonous.



Less then 50 species in all the world, out of about 15,000 total is deadly toxic. Maybe 10 of those contain amatoxins that cause liver failure.


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Re: Liver damage from mushrooms [Re: Tangich]
    #19332736 - 12/27/13 11:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I stand corrected


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Re: Liver damage from mushrooms [Re: Into The Woods]
    #19332749 - 12/27/13 12:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You were right, but I just wanted to clarify, it's not as many as people think. Folk tales and mycophobia common amongst general public would make it seem that at least 50% of mushrooms are deadly.
Maybe an additional couple hundred species will make you temporarily sick without leaving any lasting consequences. (which includes psychoactive mushrooms as well, because psilocybin is regarded as a toxin from this standpoint)


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Re: Liver damage from mushrooms [Re: Tangich]
    #19332770 - 12/27/13 12:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well, you learn something new everyday


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Re: Liver damage from mushrooms [Re: Into The Woods]
    #19332788 - 12/27/13 12:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

He's right, very few are poisonous. Still not worth the risk unless you can get a positive ID, ha.


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