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Air pump with perlite TEK
    #19332193 - 12/27/13 09:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I am going to try a perlite with air pump terrarium.

Basically I have drilled a few holes an inch from the bottom of the box for co2 extraction,  Glued the bottom half of a coke bottle inside the box, punched a hole and fed a hose through the box and bottle sealing up holes with silicone.  I will then add water to the bottle with h2o2 mixed in and pump air through it.  I will add 2 inches of wet perlite to the tub and I think this will work.

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Re: Air pump with perlite TEK [Re: Edmunter]
    #19332227 - 12/27/13 09:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Your opening up a can of worms, you have no idea. I don't want to sound like an asshole, but find a tek that suites you.

If your just starting out, PF Tek all the way. If your knowledgeable in mycology, try a monotub.

Your idea sounds like a PMP. its in the mush cult forum, boxes sub-forum. Its been archived.


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Re: Air pump with perlite TEK [Re: Edmunter]
    #19332302 - 12/27/13 09:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I am going to try a perlite with air pump terrarium.

Basically I have drilled a few holes an inch from the bottom of the box for co2 extraction,  Glued the bottom half of a coke bottle inside the box, punched a hole and fed a hose through the box and bottle sealing up holes with silicone.  I will then add water to the bottle with h2o2 mixed in and pump air through it.  I will add 2 inches of wet perlite to the tub and I think this will work.

Please discuss



You have a lot to learn buddy.

Co2 will not "Drain" out the bottom....it does not sink, it rises to the top of the chamber riding the heat and humidity currents.

Peroxide is useless as fruiting is not a sterile procedure......

If you do not have holes in the very bottom of the tub, having perlite in there is pointless.....air must flow up thru it in order to  evaporate the water on it....that is why we only use perlite in SGFCs that have 1/4" holes drilled 2" apart ON ALL 6 SIDES....so the chamber has proper and constant airflow, which should mean constant water evaporating, which means constant high humidity.

JUst build a SGFC for cakes, or a monotub for bulk....no pumps, no humidifiers, no hygrometers.....just perlite and the proper holes for a SGFC for cakes, or polyfill and a few stuffed holes for a monotub for bulk.

Adding electronic things like pumps is just not needed.

You want constant passive FAE so there is constant evaporation.


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Re: Air pump with perlite TEK [Re: PussyFart]
    #19332361 - 12/27/13 09:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So firstly I would need holes in the top of the box.  How could I get enough humidity?  I would like this to be a zero effort terrarium.

I have been using shotgun for ages and its fine but I want to learn another method just as an experiment.

Is there anyway u could see this working and what, if u had to, do to change things to make it work.

I know I have a lot to learn by the way, that's why I'm on here. The hydroxide was just as a precaution to deter contams.  As the bubbles burst small amounts of h2o2 are released into the atmosphere.  But if u feel I dont need this then I dont need the air to go through water in the first place.


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Re: Air pump with perlite TEK [Re: Edmunter]
    #19332425 - 12/27/13 10:20 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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So firstly I would need holes in the top of the box.


 
You would need 1/4" holes every 2" on all 6 sides......not just any one or 2 sides....all 6 sides of the cube in a grid pattern.
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How could I get enough humidity? 



Have lots of evaporation happening(lots of FAE).


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I would like this to be a zero effort terrarium..



Never gonna happen if you want decent results with cakes....the cakes will have to be manually misted a couple times a day and the chamber will need to be fanned out each time to make room for evaporation of the water you just misted.

You want water constantly evaporating off the cakes.

And with lots of FAE, you will need to mist them for this to happen.

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I have been using shotgun for ages and its fine but I want to learn another method just as an experiment.



Ok well experiment away.

I am just letting you know how this stuff actually works.

Just my advice, take it or leave it....but I'm not just pulling this info out of my ass.

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The hydroxide peroxide was just as a precaution to deter contams.  As the bubbles burst small amounts of h2o2 are released into the atmosphere. 



The peroxide will degrade in a matter of hours, meaning you will have just wasted your time.

You could continually replace it as needed, but that will get unnecessarily expensive.

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But if u feel I dont need this then I dont need the air to go through water in the first place.



The only water should be in the water bottle you use to mist....other than that there should be no other water needed....just water to mist on the cakes as they dry off.


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Re: Air pump with perlite TEK [Re: Edmunter]
    #19332460 - 12/27/13 10:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So when I add h2o2 to my mister it deteriorates and I need to add more?  Ive never heard this before, thanks. 

I may just turn this into a shotgun with a pump.

I use rye seed with a casing layer


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Re: Air pump with perlite TEK [Re: Edmunter]
    #19332476 - 12/27/13 10:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

don't add h202....period.
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Re: Air pump with perlite TEK [Re: cronicr]
    #19332482 - 12/27/13 10:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I may just turn this into a shotgun with a pump.



A SGFC works off the natural currents in a room...mess with these currents(fans, pumps, etc) and the humidity will drop.

Try it....but you will mess with how the chamber is supposed to function.

There is no need to reinvent the wheel here.

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Re: Air pump with perlite TEK [Re: cronicr]
    #19332499 - 12/27/13 10:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Why?  Many experts say use h2o2 with your mister to fight of contams as its harmless to Mycelium.  Whats your take on this?


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Re: Air pump with perlite TEK [Re: Edmunter]
    #19332508 - 12/27/13 10:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

it's only good to fight cobweb mold and it's not harmless so i don't know who these"experts are" but perlite doesn't contam because it's a rock and h202 is good for cobweb mold:thumbup:


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Re: Air pump with perlite TEK [Re: cronicr]
    #19332525 - 12/27/13 10:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

One of the experts is RR

http://www.mycomasters.com/

Are u sure u know what you are talking about?


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Re: Air pump with perlite TEK [Re: Edmunter]
    #19332533 - 12/27/13 10:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:smbfacepalm:
thats not rr bud!

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I've read some mixed reviews on how much and when to use H202.

Using a bit of H202 in the perlite water seems standard.  Is there a viable use of H202 in dunking or misting? 

Some people say it inhibits growth, which makes me want to avoid direct contact with cakes, and just leave it in the FC bottom.




The only use for peroxide in mycology is for spraying a substrate that has cobweb mold on the surface.  Don't use it in the perlite, and for damn sure, don't add it to the dunk water.  Peroxide is toxic to fungi, and that includes mushroom mycelium.
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Re: Air pump with perlite TEK [Re: Edmunter]
    #19332546 - 12/27/13 10:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Why?  Many experts say use h2o2 with your mister to fight of contams as its harmless to Mycelium.



What experts?

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peroxide = toxic to myc 



http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16520610#16520610

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Fully colonized and consolidated
cakes are fairly contaminate prone and you do not need to EVER bring them
in contact with bleach, hydrogen peroxide or other chemicals.



http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13813681#13813681

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Never use peroxide as a preventative, because it will cause more harm than good by damaging healthy mycelium, thus weakening it.  If you get a cobweb outbreak due to lack of fresh air exchange, you can use 3% peroxide to nuke it.  It won't work with other molds such as trichoderma.
RR



http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16714352#16714352

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The only time I would ever use peroxide is if there's a cobweb outbreak on a cased bulk substrate.  The peroxide will melt the cobweb mold on contact.  It also damages the mushroom mycelium it touches, but the cobweb would destroy it outright if left unchecked.

Peroxide is useless on any other contaminant during the growing process.
RR



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Re: Air pump with perlite TEK [Re: Edmunter]
    #19332569 - 12/27/13 11:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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One of the experts is RR

http://www.mycomasters.com/

Are u sure u know what you are talking about?



for future reference his name is mark not wayne and don't listen to that crap lol


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Re: Air pump with perlite TEK [Re: cronicr]
    #19332576 - 12/27/13 11:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Odd I've been successful with it for years.  Maybe I should switch.  I've even used it in a dunk.  That link was by  R.R. Wayne, Ph.D.  Maybe hes a different guy.


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Re: Air pump with perlite TEK [Re: Edmunter]
    #19332579 - 12/27/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Ok u sound like u know ur stuff.  What mono tub Tek would you advised me to use


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Re: Air pump with perlite TEK [Re: Edmunter]
    #19332583 - 12/27/13 11:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Click on Franks and TL's teks in my signature......


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