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Can hallucinogens make you see things that aren't there?
    #19332218 - 12/27/13 09:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Obviously they can change your perspective of time, distance, objects and so on. But can they actually make you see things that aren't real? I've heard stories about people believing they're flying through the universe, or that oranges with metal teeth are chasing them and I'm skeptical. Anyone here actually see something like that, or is it all just perception distortion? :um:


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Re: Can hallucinogens make you see things that aren't there? [Re: Purple_Ergot]
    #19332254 - 12/27/13 09:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Very much so. But it take a good bit to get real vivid "is that really there" images I've closed my eyes laying down and fell though the couch into the sky and flew it was amazing one of those moments that makes u want to never quit


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Re: Can hallucinogens make you see things that aren't there? [Re: dpomalia]
    #19332264 - 12/27/13 09:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

OP, what do you think "hallucination" means? :lol:


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Re: Can hallucinogens make you see things that aren't there? [Re: dpomalia]
    #19332274 - 12/27/13 09:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

During my first k-hole experience I legitimately thought I was a cat walking around in the Grand Canyon.


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Re: Can hallucinogens make you see things that aren't there? [Re: Into The Woods]
    #19332280 - 12/27/13 09:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Into The Woods said:
OP, what do you think "hallucination" means? :lol:




Point taken, I only started having doubts after I watched this:


But I guess taking DMT into account, of course you can see stuff that isn't "real". :tongue:


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Re: Can hallucinogens make you see things that aren't there? [Re: Purple_Ergot]
    #19332284 - 12/27/13 09:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Basically at high doses they distort reality so hard that it gives the appearance of being somewhere else or seeing things that aren't there. But unlike dissociatives where you straight up hallucinate stuff out of your imagination, psychedelics mostly play on scrambling your senses. For example... Coming up on a high dose of ayahuasca for me starts like every trip. Distortion of space. Gradually building patterns out of the textures in the room. Those patterns become more and more complex to where they start rotating and aligning to form extra dimensional entities. Once you get to the realm of breaking through its pretty hard to tell what's what, but I'd assume it's the same concept. Just stacking layers of after images and kaleidoscope vision to create the visions you see.

So to answer your question, sort of. You definitely see very very very complex worlds/beings/etc... But it's not just popping up out of nowhere the way you might expect on a dissociative of delerient. And it takes very high doses to achieve that


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Re: Can hallucinogens make you see things that aren't there? [Re: Purple_Ergot]
    #19333056 - 12/27/13 01:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Purple_Ergot said:
Obviously they can change your perspective of time, distance, objects and so on. But can they actually make you see things that aren't real? I've heard stories about people believing they're flying through the universe, or that oranges with metal teeth are chasing them and I'm skeptical. Anyone here actually see something like that, or is it all just perception distortion? :um:




Certainly you can see things that aren't there.  That's what a HALLUCINOGEN does. :lol:

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Re: Can hallucinogens make you see things that aren't there? [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19333155 - 12/27/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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JacksonMetaller said:
Basically at high doses they distort reality so hard that it gives the appearance of being somewhere else or seeing things that aren't there. But unlike dissociatives where you straight up hallucinate stuff out of your imagination, psychedelics mostly play on scrambling your senses. For example... Coming up on a high dose of ayahuasca for me starts like every trip. Distortion of space. Gradually building patterns out of the textures in the room. Those patterns become more and more complex to where they start rotating and aligning to form extra dimensional entities. Once you get to the realm of breaking through its pretty hard to tell what's what, but I'd assume it's the same concept. Just stacking layers of after images and kaleidoscope vision to create the visions you see.

So to answer your question, sort of. You definitely see very very very complex worlds/beings/etc... But it's not just popping up out of nowhere the way you might expect on a dissociative of delerient. And it takes very high doses to achieve that




^^this

High doses might often make you see things that are clearly not "real" - but these
visions will very often be of such an other-wordly appearance that you are rarely
fooled to think this is indeed happening in physical reality, even if the experience
is vivid and intense enough. You are still tripping and usually aware of that, even
if you think you're dying continually.


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Re: Can hallucinogens make you see things that aren't there? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #19334242 - 12/27/13 07:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I agree with those posting above, who've expressed their answers very well.

I'd only add that when I've been in such states, I had little ability or interest in using my body; I was pretty much confined to lying down and witnessing the experience.  Psychedelics only do this at very high doses; the kind of doses that come up very quickly and make it quite clear that one should not be engaging with the world.  On the doses most people take, psychedelics do not make things appear that are not present.  Psychedelics have never fooled me into thinking something was actually present that was not; they either play variations on the theme of what's actually present (e.g. flowing wood-grain visuals, dancing trees) or they create an all-consuming dream vision that's obviously not real (e.g. CEV's on 3+ strong hits of LSD).

On a deleriant, you can see all kinds of bizarre things that aren't real but appear to be, all while feeling active and able to engage the world with your body.  That is very dangerous because you may try to interact with something that isn't actually present.


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Re: Can hallucinogens make you see things that aren't there? [Re: Into The Woods]
    #19334261 - 12/27/13 07:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Into The Woods said:
OP, what do you think "hallucination" means? :lol:



common sense isn't so common.....:sheepfucker:


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Re: Can hallucinogens make you see things that aren't there? [Re: jboredone]
    #19334434 - 12/27/13 08:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

DMT and salvia are extreme examples of this. In short, yes, oh yes.


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Re: Can hallucinogens make you see things that aren't there? [Re: lurkmode]
    #19334533 - 12/27/13 09:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I like to believe that it makes things previously understood as "unimaginable" happen--instead of distorting our sensory comprehension of it happening.
Falling trees make noise when we're not around, and they also tell really good stories when we chose to sit down and tune-in.  :tongue:


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Re: Can hallucinogens make you see things that aren't there? [Re: flipcode]
    #19334646 - 12/27/13 09:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

so basically, yes, and that's the point


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Re: Can hallucinogens make you see things that aren't there? [Re: Big_Dave]
    #19334984 - 12/27/13 11:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Depends what hallucinogen. Anticholinergics like datura make you vividly see things that aren't there. People can have long conversations with people that aren't actually there. Meth/sleep deprivation induced psychosis can produce true hallucinations too. As for believing you're flying through the universe, I'd say salvia or dissociatives can do that but it'd be more like flying through a parallel universe.


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Re: Can hallucinogens make you see things that aren't there? [Re: FrogWarrior]
    #19335059 - 12/28/13 12:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

In terms of seeing things that "aren't there" I'll rule out substances like DMT and Salvia because you're so far gone anyways that you're pretty much unconscious and in another dimension entirely.

The only time I've had true hallucinations was actually during my first LSA/Morning Glory experience. I would see people in my peripheral vision that weren't actually there and as soon as I would look at them directly they would vanish. For some reason I wasn't scared but it was pretty freaky and interesting stuff. Definitely made me a true believer in the psychedelic properties of LSA because in some ways it was stronger than my strongest LSD trips.

For example, I was in a forest and see people running at me in a full-out sprint in my peripherals only to look at them and they were gone. Later during that same trip I was looking out my window staring at a tree and people in my direct upper peripherals were dashing and walking across the street but there weren't actually any people.

Now that I recall I actually had another true hallucination on what I originally believed to be LSD but in hindsight I think it was a research chemical like DOC or DOA. I saw a house in a forest that wasn't there and kept copying itself as I walked down the trail. Essentially, the house was always there through the trees. Pretty amazing if you ask me.

Other than that, all my trips that involved "hallucinations" were just extreme distortions of what was already there, although very extreme nonetheless. On my first LSD trip I watch a tree shrink and regrow and blossom all its branches and about 30 minutes later I watched the sky and the side of my house in my peripherals and as an imaginary curtain kept opening and closing in my window in the middle of the night I watched the sky turn to pure daylight and the sun rising, to the moon rising and resetting to darkness, almost like a time lapse. So I suppose you could consider these true hallucinations as well but they weren't as "convincing" as the previously mentioned hallucinations. Ah LSD, how I love you so much :heart:


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Re: Can hallucinogens make you see things that aren't there? [Re: Nihon_Hyperspace]
    #19335426 - 12/28/13 03:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

yeah its totally possible. on my first breakthrough with DMT, i saw people wearing elf costumes and weird cities and landscapes.


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