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NJ police may carry chemical to counteract heroin and other opioid drugs * 1
    #19332061 - 12/27/13 08:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Friday December 27, 2013, 8:52 AM
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NEWARK, N.J. (AP) — Police in four New Jersey counties may start carrying canisters of an aerosol that counteracts the effects of heroin and other opioid drugs.

The Star-Ledger reports that police departments in Camden, Cape May, Hunterdon and Ocean Counties are considering giving officers Narcan, the brand name for naloxone, to administer to people suffering from overdoses.

They say it can buy time to get victims to hospitals and could prevent the number of deadly overdoses. Those who are given the chemical would still need further medical attention.

Until earlier this year, the chemical was illegal for anyone in New Jersey except hospital staff.

But under a state law aimed at protecting those who help overdose victims, it is now legal.





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Re: NJ police may carry chemical to counteract heroin and other opioid drugs [Re: vinsue]
    #19332074 - 12/27/13 08:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Disgusting! Now they can enforce sobriety before they enforce "laws". Wouldn't want anything clouding your mind when the officer is speaking.

Remember it's for your own good


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Re: NJ police may carry chemical to counteract heroin and other opioid drugs [Re: vinsue]
    #19332075 - 12/27/13 08:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

That's cool. They should also carry grapefruit juice boxes, in case they encounter the opposite scenario.


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Re: NJ police may carry chemical to counteract heroin and other opioid drugs [Re: Joker Flash]
    #19332092 - 12/27/13 08:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Joker Flash said:
Disgusting! Now they can enforce sobriety before they enforce "laws". Wouldn't want anything clouding your mind when the officer is speaking.

Remember it's for your own good





They're likely carrying intranasal naloxone, so when they encounter someone comatosed from a heroin overdose they can administer it and save their life.

So yes, most view this as for an individuals own good.


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Re: NJ police may carry chemical to counteract heroin and other opioid drugs [Re: vinsue]
    #19332168 - 12/27/13 08:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

This sounds good, like good Samaritan laws


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Re: NJ police may carry chemical to counteract heroin and other opioid drugs [Re: badchad]
    #19332219 - 12/27/13 09:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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badchad said:
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Joker Flash said:
Disgusting! Now they can enforce sobriety before they enforce "laws". Wouldn't want anything clouding your mind when the officer is speaking.

Remember it's for your own good





They're likely carrying intranasal naloxone, so when they encounter someone comatosed from a heroin overdose they can administer it and save their life.

So yes, most view this as for an individuals own good.




While I generally agree, I'm uncomfortable with the prospect of giving police officers the right to administer drugs to suspects.


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Re: NJ police may carry chemical to counteract heroin and other opioid drugs [Re: badchad]
    #19332220 - 12/27/13 09:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I don't doubt it will save lives at all, and I'm glad for that.

But the cops abuse many other of the tools they have, such as tazers. How many times have you heard of grandmas getting tazed and having heart attacks? I know it isn't the same scenario at all, but the fact remains they will more than likely abuse this tool every chance they get as well.

I don't think it is right and I believe they should leave medical issues to medical personnel.


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Re: NJ police may carry chemical to counteract heroin and other opioid drugs [Re: Joker Flash]
    #19332417 - 12/27/13 10:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I really like this.

And hey, I'd like a can of that stuff for when I get wayyy too high and then need to drive somewhere.


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Re: NJ police may carry chemical to counteract heroin and other opioid drugs [Re: Joker Flash]
    #19332433 - 12/27/13 10:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I always kept a Suboxone around for this purpose.  If someone is OD'ing I figured I would crush up my pill and inject it into them.  Its not pure naloxone but it would save their life at least.

Luckily in my years of Heroin use,  I never seen anyone OD.


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Re: NJ police may carry chemical to counteract heroin and other opioid drugs [Re: Ritual]
    #19332498 - 12/27/13 10:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Ritual said:
I always kept a Suboxone around for this purpose.  If someone is OD'ing I figured I would crush up my pill and inject it into them.  Its not pure naloxone but it would save their life at least.

Luckily in my years of Heroin use,  I never seen anyone OD.



Really? I always thought combining suboxone and heroin was a bad idea?

At least I always thought that was what made my fathers friend stop breathing when he OD'd. taking stuff to quick after a suboxone or something like that.


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Re: NJ police may carry chemical to counteract heroin and other opioid drugs [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19332520 - 12/27/13 10:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Street Prices
OxyContin $1.00 per mg,  Suboxone $2.50 per mg.

They make the claim they are combating opiates when in reality they are profiting off opiates.


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Re: NJ police may carry chemical to counteract heroin and other opioid drugs [Re: downlowfunk]
    #19332567 - 12/27/13 11:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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downlowfunk said:
Street Prices
OxyContin $1.00 per mg,  Suboxone $2.50 per mg.

They make the claim they are combating opiates when in reality they are profiting off opiates.



haha, wow. Is that really the real figure for the prices?

That's some funny shit. Not really, but its the same with the DUI industry. So many people make SOO much money off of that shit. It's straight-up criminal.


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Re: NJ police may carry chemical to counteract heroin and other opioid drugs [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19332589 - 12/27/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Making money is criminal?


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Re: NJ police may carry chemical to counteract heroin and other opioid drugs [Re: badchad]
    #19332822 - 12/27/13 12:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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badchad said:


They're likely carrying intranasal naloxone, so when they encounter someone comatosed from a heroin overdose they can administer it and save their life.

So yes, most view this as for an individuals own good.





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Re: NJ police may carry chemical to counteract heroin and other opioid drugs [Re: Ritual]
    #19332832 - 12/27/13 12:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Joker Flash said:
Disgusting! Now they can enforce sobriety before they enforce "laws". Wouldn't want anything clouding your mind when the officer is speaking.

Remember it's for your own good





I completely disagree. Naloxone is almost 100% effective in stopping opiate overdoses; its a complete and direct opiate antagonist. I'm pretty sure saving people from dying isnt disgusting. Also, I've never taken heroin, but I also believe you'd probably want to be sober to attempt to get out of whatever trouble you're in when dealing with the cops, not nodding off and unresponsive.

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Ritual said:
I always kept a Suboxone around for this purpose.  If someone is OD'ing I figured I would crush up my pill and inject it into them.  Its not pure naloxone but it would save their life at least.

Luckily in my years of Heroin use,  I never seen anyone OD.




I had a cousin who used to get high off of Suboxone since it's a semi-synthetic opiate. Does it really antagonize opiate receptors?


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Re: NJ police may carry chemical to counteract heroin and other opioid drugs [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #19332971 - 12/27/13 01:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'd rather not have the cops spraying chemicals on people. While it will be a good tool for overdoses I feel like it won't be used in just that context. I'd rather have somebody with medical training apply medication than somebody who carries a baton to hit people with.

If the cops can make it to a scene in time, so can the emt's. The emt's are trained to deal with medical situations, while cops are law enforcement. They're polar opposites. While they say they're still public servants I don't believe that's the case, they have specific jobs and I believe this oversteps their bounds.

I feel like the aerosol is going to be just another tool used to keep people in line. If they catch you nodding they're more than likely still going to charge you, it won't matter if you keep your high or not.

Maybe the grandmother example wasn't the best way to illustrate my point; My point was if you hear of something as radical as using a potentially lethal weapon on the elderly, when they could easily be cuffed, why wouldn't the cops abuse this new, nonlethal medication?

Just because it's nonlethal doesn't mean it's morally just to use on everybody you can. Medication should be used for treatment, not punishment. I don't think the cops should be the ones deciding whether or not to administer medication.

It should be widely available to safety personnel, but I don't believe police are the people qualified to handle it. This is just how I feel and ultimately it doesn't matter how I feel because that won't affect shit :laugh:


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Re: NJ police may carry chemical to counteract heroin and other opioid drugs [Re: vinsue]
    #19333018 - 12/27/13 01:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I remember a doc I saw where a dude was going around providing clean works and vials of Narcan for shooting galleries and homeless camps. I think it would be much more comforting to all concerned parties to have den mother pull a person back from a nod too far than to have some rude ass cop jamming a spike up the person's arm or spraying anything in their face. And you sure as fuck don't wanna be that cat gets maced while crashing out because the cop put the narc spritz where the mace is supposed to go and vice versa.


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Re: NJ police may carry chemical to counteract heroin and other opioid drugs [Re: Camwritesgonzo]
    #19333031 - 12/27/13 01:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

to be honest if i was a cop I wouldn't arrest anyone i'd just go around getting people sober. the ultimate prank


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Re: NJ police may carry chemical to counteract heroin and other opioid drugs [Re: Camwritesgonzo]
    #19333046 - 12/27/13 01:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You guys crack me up.

I imagine the both of you would be quite content to have a cop save your lives if you were ODing.


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Re: NJ police may carry chemical to counteract heroin and other opioid drugs [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19333068 - 12/27/13 01:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds like forced treatment to me.


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