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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Atrium] 1
#19330435 - 12/26/13 08:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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'All natural' coffee enemas FTW.
Controversy arose over McQueen's Mexican trip, because McQueen sought a non-traditional cancer treatment that used coffee enemas, frequent washing with shampoos, daily injections of fluid containing live cells from cows and sheep, massage and laetrile, a supposedly "natural" anti-cancer drug available in Mexico, but not approved by the US Food and Drug Administration. McQueen paid for these unconventional medical treatments by himself in cash payments which was said to have cost an upwards of $40,000 per month during his three-month stay in Mexico. McQueen was treated by William Donald Kelley, whose only medical license had been (until revoked in 1976) for orthodontics.[65] Kelley's methods created a sensation in the traditional and tabloid press when it was known that McQueen was a patient.[66][67] McQueen returned to the US in early October. Despite metastasis of the cancer through McQueen's body, Kelley publicly announced that McQueen would be completely cured and return to normal life. McQueen's condition soon worsened and "huge" tumors developed in his abdomen.[65] In late October 1980, McQueen flew to Ciudad Juárez, Chihuahua, Mexico to have an abdominal tumor on his liver (weighing around five pounds) removed, despite warnings from his US doctors that the tumor was inoperable and his heart could not withstand the surgery.[65][68] McQueen checked into a Juarez clinic under the assumed name of "Sam Shepard" where the doctors and staff at the small, low-income clinic were unaware of his actual identity. On November 7, 1980, Steve McQueen died at the age of 50 at the Juárez clinic following the surgical operation to remove or reduce several metastatic tumors in his neck and abdomen.[68] He had in fact died of cardiac arrest at 3:45 am in his hospital bed more than 12 hours after the surgery to remove the tumors. An article in the El Paso Times noted that before his death he awoke in his hospital bed and asked the nurse for some ice water and then died.
Fruit and vegetable juicing FTW.
After audiences were shocked by his gaunt appearance during January 1984 performances, Kaufman acknowledged that he had an unspecified illness which he hoped to cure with "natural medicine" including a diet of all fruits and vegetables, among other measures. Kaufman received palliative radiotherapy, but by then the cancer had rapidly spread from his lungs to his brain. His last resort was "psychic surgery," a New Age procedure performed in Baguio, Philippines, in March 1984. Kaufman died at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in West Hollywood, California on May 16, 1984 of kidney failure caused by metastasized large-cell lung carcinoma, and his body was interred in the Beth David Cemetery in Elmont, New York, (Long Island). He was 35 years old.
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What's your point? How do you determine what would have happened had they gone another route?
I can post that same shit about my brother in law's traditional cancer treatment. The chemo has destroyed the nerves in his feet and hands. He can no longer walk as he's lost feeling in his feet. And the doctors told him it was due to the treatments although they hardly mentioned it as something he should be concerned about when they began chemo treatments. He's a barely living mess now and was out playing hard until the treatments. He went in for a mild heart attack and and they found the cancer. They told him it was not in his bones yet because they had caught it early. Then he had some bone pain and they tested again a couple of weeks later and said the first scans were incorrect and it was all over in his bones. I'm just giving you a taste of the crap they've been dishing out to him to the tunes of hundreds of thousands of dollars. And guess what. He's not cured and now they're saying it doesn't look so good. When he went in just a few months ago they said he really didn't have hardly any cancer and a recovery was very likely indeed. They've given him enough ct scans and xrays to make Fukushima look like a cakewalk. 
Well there's one born everyday as they say.
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OrgoneConclusion said: 'All natural' coffee enemas FTW.
Controversy arose over McQueen's Mexican trip, because McQueen sought a non-traditional cancer treatment that used coffee enemas, frequent washing with shampoos, daily injections of fluid containing live cells from cows and sheep, massage and laetrile, a supposedly "natural" anti-cancer drug available in Mexico, but not approved by the US Food and Drug Administration. McQueen paid for these unconventional medical treatments by himself in cash payments which was said to have cost an upwards of $40,000 per month during his three-month stay in Mexico. McQueen was treated by William Donald Kelley, whose only medical license had been (until revoked in 1976) for orthodontics.[65] Kelley's methods created a sensation in the traditional and tabloid press when it was known that McQueen was a patient.[66][67] McQueen returned to the US in early October. Despite metastasis of the cancer through McQueen's body, Kelley publicly announced that McQueen would be completely cured and return to normal life. McQueen's condition soon worsened and "huge" tumors developed in his abdomen.[65] In late October 1980, McQueen flew to Ciudad Juárez, Chihuahua, Mexico to have an abdominal tumor on his liver (weighing around five pounds) removed, despite warnings from his US doctors that the tumor was inoperable and his heart could not withstand the surgery.[65][68] McQueen checked into a Juarez clinic under the assumed name of "Sam Shepard" where the doctors and staff at the small, low-income clinic were unaware of his actual identity. On November 7, 1980, Steve McQueen died at the age of 50 at the Juárez clinic following the surgical operation to remove or reduce several metastatic tumors in his neck and abdomen.[68] He had in fact died of cardiac arrest at 3:45 am in his hospital bed more than 12 hours after the surgery to remove the tumors. An article in the El Paso Times noted that before his death he awoke in his hospital bed and asked the nurse for some ice water and then died.
Fruit and vegetable juicing FTW.
After audiences were shocked by his gaunt appearance during January 1984 performances, Kaufman acknowledged that he had an unspecified illness which he hoped to cure with "natural medicine" including a diet of all fruits and vegetables, among other measures. Kaufman received palliative radiotherapy, but by then the cancer had rapidly spread from his lungs to his brain. His last resort was "psychic surgery," a New Age procedure performed in Baguio, Philippines, in March 1984. Kaufman died at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in West Hollywood, California on May 16, 1984 of kidney failure caused by metastasized large-cell lung carcinoma, and his body was interred in the Beth David Cemetery in Elmont, New York, (Long Island). He was 35 years old.
chemotherapy FTW.
(just imagine that I listed a few million stories like the one above)...
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: SneezingPenis] 1
#19330623 - 12/26/13 09:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah medical science can give me some good opiates for the pain and benzos for the anxiety, and I will welcome surgery to remove cancer tissue but I will pass on the chemo and radiation.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Icelander]
#19330693 - 12/26/13 09:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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What's your point? How do you determine what would have happened had they gone another route?
You post an anecdote and I post an anecdote. See how that works?
How do you determine what would have happened had they gone another route with your BIL?
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Moonshoe]
#19330730 - 12/26/13 09:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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my grandmother led a normal life with breast cancer (double mastectomy) for 12 years leading a healthy life and a complete macrobiotic diet. Then a new wonder treatment called chemotherapy was showing promise. Her quality of life went from being a normal person with no pain to a bed-ridden, withered, shell of a person in 6 months. chemo killed her, not cancer. I can't imagine any scenario in which her quality of life would have been worse sans chemo. The worst part is this bullshit hope that chemo gives people. some of them actually welcome the vomiting, hair loss and weakness because they smile through it and think it is some penance for getting better.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19331809 - 12/27/13 05:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I hope ny canabis prevention therapy will work out. If I really catch cancer one day, I will think about treatment with hemp oil.
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What's your point? How do you determine what would have happened had they gone another route?
You post an anecdote and I post an anecdote. See how that works?
How do you determine what would have happened had they gone another route with your BIL?
I pretty much can give you two things. One there would have been some benefit. Two nothing.
With the medical profession there is a third and it is by far the most prevalent when it comes to cancer from what I'm seeing.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19331870 - 12/27/13 06:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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SneezingPenis said: my grandmother led a normal life with breast cancer (double mastectomy) for 12 years leading a healthy life and a complete macrobiotic diet. Then a new wonder treatment called chemotherapy was showing promise. Her quality of life went from being a normal person with no pain to a bed-ridden, withered, shell of a person in 6 months. chemo killed her, not cancer. I can't imagine any scenario in which her quality of life would have been worse sans chemo. The worst part is this bullshit hope that chemo gives people. some of them actually welcome the vomiting, hair loss and weakness because they smile through it and think it is some penance for getting better.
This is not an isolated story. CHEMO KILLS and not cancer (although it does kill some cancer cells )but the patient. Anyone invested in so called efficacy of modern medicine on this one is a full on dupe imo. They don't see the criminal intent behind the treatment to gain the dollar and control. Reminds me of the priests in good old days.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: BlueCoyote]
#19331922 - 12/27/13 06:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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BlueCoyote said: I hope ny canabis prevention therapy will work out. If I really catch cancer one day, I will think about treatment with hemp oil.
Maybe you can get some useless Marinol on perscription if you do. I'm sure the gov can figure out yet more ways to make some other useless expensive pills from the plant. Probably add some flavors and other shit to make it toxic. Aspartame! Yes sweeter pills are better pills. Nobody wants to eat that bitter pill.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: LunarEclipse]
#19331928 - 12/27/13 06:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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People need to get it through their sculls the World health organization only wishes to destroy health.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Icyus]
#19331952 - 12/27/13 07:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icyus said: People need to get it through their sculls the World health organization only wishes to destroy health.
My sis had cancer, her hubster found the 40% mortality research project at NIH that managed to even try to get me involved. Let's just say when no informed consent forms are given, and for me to risk my health by getting jacked up with hormones, then have "stem cells" harvested through a blood machine wasn't in the cards. I did my research and came to valid conclusions. When one considers the 0% chance of helping and the 100% chance of hurting in the name of research, the terminal one doesn't give that consideration. They can only see the carrot. Further, I think they completely fudged the supposed 63:1 match just to put more pressure on me to become a guinea pig in their evil scheme. Show me the fucking results gov show me some forms. All driven through Dr. Evil himself.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: LunarEclipse]
#19332043 - 12/27/13 07:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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There is neither good nor evil, really.. but I percieve such people fools in their greed anyway.. good luck with you suffering existance, i would say...
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Icelander]
#19332504 - 12/27/13 10:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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SneezingPenis said: my grandmother led a normal life with breast cancer (double mastectomy) for 12 years leading a healthy life and a complete macrobiotic diet. Then a new wonder treatment called chemotherapy was showing promise. Her quality of life went from being a normal person with no pain to a bed-ridden, withered, shell of a person in 6 months. chemo killed her, not cancer. I can't imagine any scenario in which her quality of life would have been worse sans chemo. The worst part is this bullshit hope that chemo gives people. some of them actually welcome the vomiting, hair loss and weakness because they smile through it and think it is some penance for getting better.
This is not an isolated story. CHEMO KILLS and not cancer (although it does kill some cancer cells )but the patient. Anyone invested in so called efficacy of modern medicine on this one is a full on dupe imo. They don't see the criminal intent behind the treatment to gain the dollar and control. Reminds me of the priests in good old days.
Looks like you have your tinfoil hat on. Conspiracy theorist! 
I totally agree with you.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Icyus]
#19332559 - 12/27/13 11:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icyus said: There is neither good nor evil, really.. but I percieve such people fools in their greed anyway.. good luck with you suffering existance, i would say...
Well you obviously haven't met Dr. Evil, if you had you would realize there is in fact evil.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Moonshoe]
#19332586 - 12/27/13 11:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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SneezingPenis said: my grandmother led a normal life with breast cancer (double mastectomy) for 12 years leading a healthy life and a complete macrobiotic diet. Then a new wonder treatment called chemotherapy was showing promise. Her quality of life went from being a normal person with no pain to a bed-ridden, withered, shell of a person in 6 months. chemo killed her, not cancer. I can't imagine any scenario in which her quality of life would have been worse sans chemo. The worst part is this bullshit hope that chemo gives people. some of them actually welcome the vomiting, hair loss and weakness because they smile through it and think it is some penance for getting better.
This is not an isolated story. CHEMO KILLS and not cancer (although it does kill some cancer cells )but the patient. Anyone invested in so called efficacy of modern medicine on this one is a full on dupe imo. They don't see the criminal intent behind the treatment to gain the dollar and control. Reminds me of the priests in good old days.
Looks like you have your tinfoil hat on. Conspiracy theorist! 
I totally agree with you.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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