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Meacher: "Both wars were planned in advance before 9/11"
    #1933165 - 09/19/03 06:40 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Meacher: "Both Wars were planned in advance before 9/11"

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In an exlusive cooperation, GlobalFreePress arranged an Interview with former British Minister Michael Meacher, which will be broadcasted by INN News Report on Friday, 6PM EST on U.S. Television.
Meacher explained, that both Wars against Iraq and Afghanistan were planned in Advance before 9/11; he spoke about the role of PNAC, Oil and Cheney's controversial Energy Task Force in 2001.

The Interview will be broadcasted on Friday at 6PM EST, 9415 dish network (Free Speech TV) and Public Access Channels (i.e. in New York on MNN, Cable #34)

New York/Boston, INN Report/GFP -September 19th, 2003

On Thursday, GFP has learned, that former British Environment Minister Michael Meacher, was invited in Boston to speak at the Coolidge Room in Ballou Hall, Tufts University, Medford, a few miles away from Boston.

Obviously, Meacher was already invited a while ago, to talk about U.S. and European trade conflicts over genetically modified food.

We called University Assistant Siobhan Houton and got an okay in the late afternoon.

Lenny Charles, Producer of New York's INN News Report, took off on Thursday morning and arrived in time at 5PM, when Meacher was happy to give him an exclusive TV-Interview.

Two weeks ago, Meacher claimed in British Paper Guardian, that the US government knew in advance about the September 11 attacks but, for strategic reasons, chose not to act on the warnings: "At least 11 countries provided advance warning" (Guardian 09/06),

With only one exception by Orlando Sentinel, the U.S. Media ignored completely the story of Meacher.


In Charles' interview, Meacher mentioned the important role of NeoCon Think Tank PNAC, around current U.S. Government Members Richard Perle, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz (Rumsfeld's deputy), Jeb Bush (George Bush's younger brother) and Lewis Libby (Cheney's chief of staff), who were thinking about a war in Iraq already years before the September 11th attacks.

Meacher said, he found most of their documents in public domain and reviews on that in mainstream outlets.

One of their documents, entitled Rebuilding America's Defences, was already written in September 2000.

The plan shows Bush's cabinet intended to take military control of the Gulf region whether or not Saddam Hussein was in power. It says "while the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein."

It also pinpoints North Korea, Syria and Iran as dangerous regimes, and says their existence justifies the creation of a "worldwide command and control system"

This blueprint furthermore states that the process of transforming the US into "tomorrow's dominant force" is likely to be a long one in the absence of "some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor".

In a Guardian article from September 6th, he furthermore debunked the so called Incompetence Theory as Bogus.

He said, that it was "clear the US authorities did little or nothing to pre-empt the events of 9/11. It is known that at least 11 countries provided advance warning to the US of the 9/11 attacks."

He also found a BBC article, which expressed, that "Fifteen of the 9/11 hijackers obtained their visas in Saudi Arabia.
Michael Springman, the former head of the American visa bureau in Jeddah, has stated that since 1987 the CIA had been illicitly issuing visas to unqualified applicants from the Middle East and bringing them to the US for training in terrorism for the Afghan war in collaboration with Bin Laden.

INN News Report asked Meacher also about the role of Dick Cheney, who established an Energy Task Force in early 2001.

Already on April 19th, 2001, Rep. Waxman and Rep. Dingell expressed their concern and wrote to to Andrew Lundquist, the executive director of the White House's energy task force, asking for information on the task force's operations.

President Bush established the task force in January 2001 under the Vice President's leadership, and entrusted it with the task of developing a national energy policy. Also on April 19, Reps. Waxman and Dingell wrote to the General Accounting Office (GAO), the investigative arm of Congress, asking it to investigate the conduct, operations, and funding of the task force.

But Cheney refused to talk about the content of the meetings.

Meacher responded on Charles question, that Cheney's ignorance was very disturbing to him, too.

The congressional investigation of the task force was prompted by news reports that the task force had met privately with major campaign contributors, such as Kenneth Lay, the CEO of Enron, to discuss energy policy.

According to these reports, major Republican contributors attended private sessions with Vice President Cheney and the task force met secretly with other contributors in formulating the President's National Energy Policy.

Meacher decided to look deeper into this case and read in a BBC Report, that also the War against Afghanistan was planned before the U.S. had any reason to "retaliate".

During his research, he found out, that already in at a meeting in Berlin in mid-July 2001, Niaz Niak, a former Pakistan foreign secretary, was told by senior American officials, that "military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October".

"Until July 2001 the US government saw the Taliban regime as a source of stability in Central Asia that would enable the construction of hydrocarbon pipelines from the oil and gas fields in Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, through Afghanistan and Pakistan, to the Indian Ocean.

But, confronted with the Taliban's refusal to accept US conditions, the US representatives told them "either you accept our offer of a carpet of gold, or we bury you under a carpet of bombs" (Inter Press Service, November 15 2001).

For INN News Report, Meacher explained that the U.S. Government needed a Cover-up for their real Interest about Oil.

Already mentioned in Guardian, the PNAC document considered to develop biological weapons "that can target specific genotypes [and] may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool".

As we learned, the U.S. later claimed, that Saddam Hussein had a huge stock of Weapons of Mass Destraction, which was denied by the former Iraqi Leader.

In fact, the WMD haven't been found yet and a recent draft report from Wednesday on the search for WMD provided no solid evidence that Iraq had any when the United States invaded in March.

This was also supported by former U.N. Inspector Hans Blix, who said this week, that Iraq destroyed its weapons 10 years ago and that intelligence agencies were wrong in their weapons assessment that led to war.

Meacher said, that the U.S. was "a prisoner of its energy dilemma".

They needed a reason to start this war.

Iraq remained for the U.S. a destabilising influence to... "the flow of oil to international markets from the Middle East".
Submitted to Vice-President Cheney's energy task group, one report recommended that because this was an unacceptable risk to the US, "military intervention" was necessary.

The full Interview with Michael Meacher will be broadcasted on Friday at 6PM, 9415 dish network (Free Speech TV) and Public Access Channels (i.e. in New York on MNN, Cable #34).




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Re: Meacher: "Both wars were planned in advance before 9/11" [Re: Learyfan]
    #1933202 - 09/19/03 06:51 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Project for a New American Century (PNAC)

This is a set of documents from 1997, by a think-tank in Washington that propsed that since America is the only superpower, they should act like it (as in expanding the American Empire). They outline they're entire strategy, including "rolling back" Saddam Hussein and the need for a "new Pearl-Harbor". Most of these plans have now been implemented by the Bush Administration.

Who was a part of this think-tank? Paul Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Kissinger, William Kristol, Jeb Bush, Frank Gaffney..... ALL of these people are now major players in the Bush 2 admin. The war in Iraq was planned LOOOOONG before Sept 11.


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Re: Meacher: "Both wars were planned in advance before 9/11" [Re: SquattingMarmot]
    #1933211 - 09/19/03 06:55 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I can't believe that website is still up, it's so blatant. I'd half expected it to have been 'vanished' by now.


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Re: Meacher: "Both wars were planned in advance before 9/11" [Re: Edame]
    #1934019 - 09/20/03 12:57 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

wow

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Re: Meacher: "Both wars were planned in advance before 9/11" [Re: Learyfan]
    #18805382 - 09/05/13 11:53 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Damn son. 















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Re: Meacher: "Both wars were planned in advance before 9/11" [Re: Learyfan]
    #18807002 - 09/06/13 01:12 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

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This data is based on 33,249 database entries from the beginning of the war to 18 Jun 2013. The most recent weeks are always in the process of compilation and will rise further. The current range contains 11,421–11,875 deaths (10.0%–9.5%, a portion which may rise or fall over time) based on single-sourced reports. Graphs are based on the higher number in our totals. Gaps in recording and reporting suggest that even our highest totals to date may be missing many civilian deaths from violence. See Recent Events for as yet unpublished incidents, and read About IBC for a better description of the project's scope and limitations.




They say it is in the 115,000 to 125,000 range, the vast majority of which were killed by the people we were fighting.  Your source is crap and a liar.


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Re: Meacher: "Both wars were planned in advance before 9/11" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18808051 - 09/06/13 06:22 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

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This data is based on 33,249 database entries from the beginning of the war to 18 Jun 2013. The most recent weeks are always in the process of compilation and will rise further. The current range contains 11,421–11,875 deaths (10.0%–9.5%, a portion which may rise or fall over time) based on single-sourced reports. Graphs are based on the higher number in our totals. Gaps in recording and reporting suggest that even our highest totals to date may be missing many civilian deaths from violence. See Recent Events for as yet unpublished incidents, and read About IBC for a better description of the project's scope and limitations.




They say it is in the 115,000 to 125,000 range, the vast majority of which were killed by the people we were fighting.  Your source is crap and a liar.





I've heard 174,000, counting coalition forces, all beligerents, and civilians, which thousands died from many many other events totally unrelated to us, I don't think the US even counted for the most civilian deaths that's for sure. Al Qaeda campaign of terror vs shiia probably accounts for the most civilian deaths, plus the tit for tat attacks between the two rival sects.


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Re: Meacher: "Both wars were planned in advance before 9/11" [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #18808141 - 09/06/13 06:41 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Learyfan has never had much interest in reality


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Re: Meacher: "Both wars were planned in advance before 9/11" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18809084 - 09/06/13 09:53 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Im curious as to what our kill count is for militants, either Moqtada Al Sadr's bunch to the Sunni militants in Anbar province, in several years of war I don't think we could of killed in excess of 50,000 combatants and civilians, Its sad that civilians die, it happens in war, in fact most of the time its civilians who pay the cost.


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Re: Meacher: "Both wars were planned in advance before 9/11" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18809764 - 09/07/13 12:45 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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They say it is in the 115,000 to 125,000 range




Even if it's "only" that amount, then Bush and Co. are still mass murderers and war criminals

















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Re: Meacher: "Both wars were planned in advance before 9/11" [Re: Learyfan]
    #18810836 - 09/07/13 10:56 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Learyfan said:
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zappaisgod said:
They say it is in the 115,000 to 125,000 range




Even if it's "only" that amount, then Bush and Co. are still mass murderers and war criminals





















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Re: Meacher: "Both wars were planned in advance before 9/11" [Re: Learyfan]
    #18810853 - 09/07/13 11:04 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Learyfan said:
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zappaisgod said:
They say it is in the 115,000 to 125,000 range




Even if it's "only" that amount, then Bush and Co. are still mass murderers and war criminals.




ORLY?  Methinks you are utterly ignorant of what a war crime is.  Saddam started the war, we finished it.  By far most of the civilian killing was done by our opponents.  You are not only a liar you are ignorant of law and facts.
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Re: Meacher: "Both wars were planned in advance before 9/11" [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #18811179 - 09/07/13 01:01 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

:rofl2:

thanks learyfan for this older but still interesting article.
watch out though! you don't want to stir up the hive  :sheeplove:


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Re: Meacher: "Both wars were planned in advance before 9/11" [Re: jvm] * 1
    #18815214 - 09/08/13 03:14 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Both wars were planned in advance before 9/11




Of course they were.


And it looks like mainstream media's balls finally dropped:



Rethink 9/11 indeed.


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Re: Meacher: "Both wars were planned in advance before 9/11" [Re: SWEDEN]
    #18815379 - 09/08/13 04:05 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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SWEDEN said:
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Both wars were planned in advance before 9/11




Of course they were.


And it looks like mainstream media's balls finally dropped:



Rethink 9/11 indeed.


Spare me this stupid bullshit.  You don't even know what Clark is talking about and I don't give a shit what some fucking douche says about rethink 9/11.  It's been thought about and thought about and every single idiot theory has had its airing.  Take this stupid shit to where it belongs, the deranged dipshit forum.


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Re: Meacher: "Both wars were planned in advance before 9/11" [Re: jvm]
    #18815386 - 09/08/13 04:06 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

jvm said:
:rofl2:

thanks learyfan for this older but still interesting article.
watch out though! you don't want to stir up the hive  :sheeplove:



It is as false today as it was then.  But you keep enjoying your bubble of ignorance


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Re: Meacher: "Both wars were planned in advance before 9/11" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18816657 - 09/08/13 10:33 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Think about it dude, the reptillians did 9/11 and they are fooling you again, they are taking over everything, including the local quick-e-mart, that guy totally looks like some reptile.


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Re: Meacher: "Both wars were planned in advance before 9/11" [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #18823159 - 09/10/13 02:01 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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stupid bullshit. I don't give a shit what some fucking douche idiot theory this stupid shit to deranged dipshit forum.




:lol:

You should expand your vocabulary.

RT declares 9/11 inside job:

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Re: Meacher: "Both wars were planned in advance before 9/11" [Re: SWEDEN]
    #18823265 - 09/10/13 02:36 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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stupid bullshit. I don't give a shit what some fucking douche idiot theory this stupid shit to deranged dipshit forum.




:lol:

You should expand your vocabulary.




That isn't a quote from me, liar.
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RT declares 9/11 inside job:

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I declare you an inside job.


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Re: Meacher: "Both wars were planned in advance before 9/11" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18824348 - 09/10/13 07:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

My penis was an inside job with your mom


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