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Re: Does the universe continue on with or without us? [Re: Into The Woods]
    #19330361 - 12/26/13 08:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

questions, sentences, fuck i'm not even making sense to myself anymore

What am I doing in a PSP thread on acid anyway


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Re: Does the universe continue on with or without us? [Re: Into The Woods]
    #19330434 - 12/26/13 08:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

saving lives.. that's what we do here and dont you forget it :lahey:


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Re: Does the universe continue on with or without us? [Re: LittleDipster]
    #19331493 - 12/27/13 02:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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LittleDipster said:
theres like video cameras and stuff



The recording's existence and its contents can only be verified if someone looks at it, though. :shrug:

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quinn said:
devil's advocate's advocate - how do you know you have a mind?



I don't really claim to have a mind, I'm only speaking in the commonly used sense of the word, meaning "sense perception/consciousness." If you want to look at the literal meaning of it, the very idea of "having a mind" is contradictory. What am I, if not my mind? And if I am my mind, then how can I have a mind?

Either way, those questions are less ontological and more related to defining personal identity. Call it "my mind" or call it "the raw sense data which makes up the world and is indistinguishable from the physical world," what I deny is simply a separation between mind and matter.


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Re: Does the universe continue on with or without us? [Re: NetDiver]
    #19333878 - 12/27/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i agree Samurai that fundamentally there is no separation between mind and matter.

and i feel fundamentally when most distinctions are scrutinized they become shapeless things.

in a context of talking personality, intentions, thoughts, ideas etc the concept of mind can be useful. when talking about physics and the way the observable world interacts, matter can be useful.

i feel if you explore from either point of departure the ideas will change, matter will become less firm say when you get into quantum mechanics, mind might seem much less obvious in the context of broader society.

i feel that the social aspect of mind is often neglected in related discussions and can lead to solipsistic or nihilistic perspectives. it's like
'here i am with this mind filled with sensory stuff' like some isolated capsule of experience.

while we are all separate and live within our own unique worlds, our worlds are also informed by those around us, the world collectively created by the people before us, a culture, a language, tools we use to navigate and transform not only the physical but social world. we are both biological beings and players in a collective game and without that game we would be nothing at all imo.


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Re: Does the universe continue on with or without us? [Re: bombnigeria]
    #19333925 - 12/27/13 06:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I wonder the post was deleted, it is a good question imo.

It questions the role of the observer and there have been multiple versions/interpretations of qm because of it.

IE; Copenhagen, Bohm and Many Worlds.


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