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magnesium
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Drying mushrooms question
#19330889 - 12/26/13 10:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I harvested 4 ounces around six weeks ago and did not get a chance to dry them all the way. Theyve been sitting out for 6 weeks (was out of town) and i can bend them but they dont quite snap. Should I put them back in the dryer? Would they be safe to eat? Thanks
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Re: Drying mushrooms question [Re: magnesium]
#19330898 - 12/26/13 10:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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i'd toss 'em in the dehydrator for a few hours and get 'em cracker dry...
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Re: Drying mushrooms question [Re: Paulsage]
#19330919 - 12/26/13 10:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Drying mushrooms question [Re: cronicr]
#19331192 - 12/26/13 11:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is there a significant loss in potency if you dry it by letting it sit in open air?? This thought has been itching me for a while now.
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Re: Drying mushrooms question [Re: toddler273]
#19331221 - 12/26/13 11:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yea I just went over this myself a couple days? Ago. Psilocybin and psilocin deteriorate extremely fast in oxygen but is stable up to 300F. That's why the idea is to get them cracker dry THEN seal them in an airtight container. For longer storage throw some kind of desiccant into the container.
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Re: Drying mushrooms question [Re: magickspore]
#19331227 - 12/27/13 12:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well that's a bummer. Can I use my oven and keep the temp below 200??
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Re: Drying mushrooms question [Re: toddler273]
#19331231 - 12/27/13 12:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I vacuum seal mine once they are cracker dry.
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Re: Drying mushrooms question [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19331246 - 12/27/13 12:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I use a box fan then finish em off with a desiccant chamber.
I actually found this little contraption for absorbing moisture in like closets and basements and bathrooms for a dollar. If it works right it will replace like 15.00 worth of desiccant with 1.00.
Edited by magickspore (12/27/13 12:12 AM)
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Re: Drying mushrooms question [Re: magickspore]
#19331295 - 12/27/13 12:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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magickspore said: I use a box fan then finish em off with a desiccant chamber.
I actually found this little contraption for absorbing moisture in like closets and basements and bathrooms for a dollar. If it works right it will replace like 15.00 worth of desiccant with 1.00.
Yeah but that will get old real fast if you start growing bulk. I would hate to have to use that if you just harvested several monos. Dehydrator FTW. Good idea to have a spare as well, just burned mine out over the holidays.
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Re: Drying mushrooms question [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19331356 - 12/27/13 12:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lol yea it is by no means a permanent method as pasty said. With that said for 4 dollars, dollar for this thing and 3 for a tub, that I already have a bunch of laying around anyways. when your just getting back into the hobby or just learning definitely could hold you off and would be worth the investment of a few dollars
Ps. I know the site says 15 but at a local store its only a buck each. And the desiccant inside is just like damprid or w.e. Just in a cool little container. I could totally make a tote with layers of shrooms built around it. Some chicken wire duct tape, bud, a knife and a MacGyver attitude.
Edited by magickspore (12/27/13 01:02 AM)
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Re: Drying mushrooms question [Re: toddler273]
#19331393 - 12/27/13 01:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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toddler273 said: Is there a significant loss in potency if you dry it by letting it sit in open air?? This thought has been itching me for a while now.
There isn't a significant loss when drying in open air. Psilocin deteriorates when exposed to oxygen, but it's not actually being exposed when it's still inside the mushroom. The blue bruising is what you see when it is exposed. Using a dehydrator will cause more loss in potency then air drying since Psilocybe and Psilocin both deteriorate with a lot of heat. I doubt it would be by enough for you to notice though.
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Stupendous-Yappi said: There isn't a significant loss when drying in open air. Psilocin deteriorates when exposed to oxygen, but it's not actually being exposed when it's still inside the mushroom.
True, the mushroom is just rotting. Probably does wonders for the potency
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Stupendous-Yappi said: The blue bruising is what you see when it is exposed.
Never been proven. . .
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Stupendous-Yappi said: Using a dehydrator will cause more loss in potency then air drying since Psilocybe and Psilocin both deteriorate with a lot of heat.
They do not start to break down from heat until past 300f. Most dehydrators go up to 165f
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Re: Drying mushrooms question [Re: Pastywhyte] 1
#19331490 - 12/27/13 02:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Drying mushrooms question [Re: cronicr]
#19331545 - 12/27/13 02:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Drying mushrooms question [Re: Stromrider]
#19331583 - 12/27/13 03:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you dont want to worry about $ or potency loss, you can pick up some epsom salt, bake that in the oven then just add that drying chamber. or take your heat off your dehydrator and then put the epsom salt in the bottom of the dehydrator
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Re: Drying mushrooms question [Re: NecroMyce]
#19332731 - 12/27/13 11:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for the responses everybody. Is the best way to store them in air tight mason jars? All my jars are full so I've been using ziploc bags. That doesn't work well at all.
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Re: Drying mushrooms question [Re: magnesium]
#19332875 - 12/27/13 12:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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magnesium said: Thanks for the responses everybody. Is the best way to store them in air tight mason jars? All my jars are full so I've been using ziploc bags. That doesn't work well at all.
Mason jars with a desiccant pack. I use the ones that come with sushi seaweed. I've noticed no loss in potency after both weeks and months. My friends don't seem to notice either.
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Re: Drying mushrooms question [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19333403 - 12/27/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: True, the mushroom is just rotting. Probably does wonders for the potency
This is a non-sequitur. I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing. Are you saying when people fan dry with a desiccant that the mushroom will rot? A dehydrator also exposes the mushroom to air.
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Pastywhyte said: They do not start to break down from heat until past 300f. Most dehydrators go up to 165f 
I've been searching but can't find were you get the 300*F from. Have a reference? What I've read so far doesn't match the assertion that break down won't start till 300*F.[1][2]
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Pastywhyte said: True, the mushroom is just rotting. Probably does wonders for the potency
This is a non-sequitur. I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing. Are you saying when people fan dry with a desiccant that the mushroom will rot? A dehydrator also exposes the mushroom to air.
True they are exposed to air during dehydration, but not for near as long
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Stupendous-Yappi said: I've been searching but can't find were you get the 300*F from. Have a reference? What I've read so far doesn't match the assertion that break down won't start till 300*F.[1][2]
https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/psilocybin/psilocybin_chemistry.shtml
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Re: Drying mushrooms question [Re: Pastywhyte] 1
#19334601 - 12/27/13 09:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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this is the third thread iv seen on this subject in the last couple of days. just use a dehydrator, if you are worried about the heat affecting potency get one with an adjustable heat control. I just got one at Walmart for like $50.
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