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Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner)
    #19330027 - 12/26/13 06:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Alright, so a few months ago, my first two monotubs went great, no problems at all.
I had a few extra jars of colonized WBS in the fridge, so I decided to do a few more recently.
Pasteurized sub, mixed in spawn, taped up the holes, let it colonize, and then put into fruiting...
Sadly, I forgot one of the most important steps, the trashbag liner. Oh, and to make it worse, I have another tub going without a liner as well... Once these pins mature, how on earth should I harvest them?



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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: blackglass6219]
    #19330065 - 12/26/13 06:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: cronicr]
    #19330129 - 12/26/13 07:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

that looks like a fuck ton of knots on your surface:crazy:


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: cronicr]
    #19330150 - 12/26/13 07:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

you should be able to just tip the tub and the colonized block will fall out...should stay together while you harvest the sides and bottom....:jah:


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: jboredone]
    #19330158 - 12/26/13 07:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

if you try slaps i may suggest laying down some bubble wrap over the top first, i wouldn't wanna damage too much those knots are awesome lol


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: cronicr]
    #19330208 - 12/26/13 07:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18059736:shrug:



that would work pretty well also....:awethumb:


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: jboredone]
    #19330263 - 12/26/13 07:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

yeah this one has a crazy amount of knots, can't wait until first harvest  :chew:
thanks guys, I'm going to try the double tub thing when the time comes


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: blackglass6219]
    #19330269 - 12/26/13 07:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:thumbup:
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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: cronicr]
    #19330341 - 12/26/13 07:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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shit works great for me.  side pins are a bitch and ugly as hell, but damn I got a bunch that were huuuge...

just take care to be as gentle as you can, and obviously you gotta pick the whole top of the tub as you're gonna crush anything on the surface


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: westthebest]
    #19330633 - 12/26/13 09:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

What stops the pins from growing on the sides? I guess the trashbags deflect light, I would say but thats just a guess.


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: kepty]
    #19330644 - 12/26/13 09:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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What stops the pins from growing on the sides? I guess the trashbags deflect light, I would say but thats just a guess.



the bags stop fresh air from getting to the sides and bottom....when the substrate contracts it sucks the trash bag liner against it....:shrug:


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: jboredone]
    #19330728 - 12/26/13 09:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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What stops the pins from growing on the sides? I guess the trashbags deflect light, I would say but thats just a guess.



the bags stop fresh air from getting to the sides and bottom....when the substrate contracts it sucks the trash bag liner against it....:shrug:




Good reason, Also for good disposing of the substrate after the last flush or a contam.


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: kepty]
    #19330788 - 12/26/13 09:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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What stops the pins from growing on the sides? I guess the trashbags deflect light, I would say but thats just a guess.



the bags stop fresh air from getting to the sides and bottom....when the substrate contracts it sucks the trash bag liner against it....:shrug:




Good reason, Also for good disposing of the substrate after the last flush or a contam.



if the weather is right you should bury your spent substrate....be surprised how much you can get outside from spent tubs....:jah:


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: jboredone]
    #19334743 - 12/27/13 10:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

do you guys think 12 hours from now will be too late to pick these three? without the cap flattening, I mean



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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: blackglass6219]
    #19334760 - 12/27/13 10:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

you should be ok. the veil will likely tear but I doubt it will completely flatten out


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19336243 - 12/28/13 09:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The cap flattening isn't a horrible thing anyway.


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: bEelzeBosS]
    #19336644 - 12/28/13 11:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

those are some fatties, the only thing that sucks about not using a liner, is sub shrinkage then condensation running down tub walls and creating perfect micro climate for A MILLION SIDE PINS that fucking suck to harvest


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: twistedty]
    #19337065 - 12/28/13 01:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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when I get lots of side pins I just pop my sub out of it's tub and fruit it like a cake. its those fucking bottom pins that piss me off. I don't recommend this if RH is an issue for you as the sub will dry out more quickly.


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19338368 - 12/28/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I am getting ready to do my first monotub. I was wondering I have got black plastic tub. Would it be better to use it or a clear tub with a liner or would it not make a difference?


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: Chimaira]
    #19338375 - 12/28/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

if you can get light from the top, go for it:cool:


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: cronicr]
    #19338498 - 12/28/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Why not just put something like aluminum foil on the bottom around the outside? Same deal, really. After you harvest of course.


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: DebuteMachine]
    #19338535 - 12/28/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Why not just put something like aluminum foil on the bottom around the outside? Same deal, really. After you harvest of course.



A few reasons why to not use Aluminum foil:

I don't think it would shrink as easily as trash bag liners.  So as the substrate shrinks, it would potentially move away from the foil and allow for side-pins

Another thing that comes to mind is that aluminum does not last long around cubes.  It is accepted fact that they will SOMEHOW eat through aluminum quickly.  I don't know the specifics, but I have read that it has something to do with enzyme production.

Trash bags work great for a few reasons.  The biggest one in my world is that after your bulk is finished, you can lift it out by the liner.


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
    #19338609 - 12/28/13 08:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

There are a lot of reasons to use a trash bag & not foil:

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What stops the pins from growing on the sides? I guess the trashbags deflect light, I would say but thats just a guess.



the bags stop fresh air from getting to the sides and bottom....when the substrate contracts it sucks the trash bag liner against it....:shrug:




Good reason, Also for good disposing of the substrate after the last flush or a contam.




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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: kepty]
    #19338620 - 12/28/13 08:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I've personnel y using bubble wrap lately


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: cronicr]
    #19338646 - 12/28/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I've personnel y using bubble wrap lately




b-b-bubble wrap?



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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: kepty]
    #19338671 - 12/28/13 08:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

no pics in a tub yet but here i peeled it back om my hanging laundry basket, the myc just runs through all the little gaps and hold extremely tight to it


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: cronicr]
    #19338688 - 12/28/13 08:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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no pics in a tub yet but here i peeled it back om my hanging laundry basket, the myc just runs through all the little gaps and hold extremely tight to it





:like:  oooo...any differences using wraps & bags? I ask because I gotta surplus of bubble wrap from work.


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: kepty]
    #19338702 - 12/28/13 08:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

well even though the bw is clear i never got bottom/side pins:thumbup: i don't see much of a diffrence other then some plastic bags don't work as well as otheres, i've only used the bw a handfull of times right now but i like it so far:thumbup:


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: cronicr]
    #19338727 - 12/28/13 08:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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well even though the bw is clear i never got bottom/side pins:thumbup: i don't see much of a diffrence other then some plastic bags don't work as well as otheres, i've only used the bw a handfull of times right now but i like it so far:thumbup:




ah, Well I'm sure you can reuse them as much as you like. If you have a rip tape it back up. Bw is strong compare to trash bags & if the bubbles are facing the ground. The sub won't touch the ground. Thanks for showing me. :thumbup:


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: kepty]
    #19338749 - 12/28/13 08:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i treid that way it worked better with the bubbles touching the sub:thumbup:


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: Chimaira]
    #19340694 - 12/29/13 08:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I am getting ready to do my first monotub. I was wondering I have got black plastic tub. Would it be better to use it or a clear tub with a liner or would it not make a difference?



the colour of your tub doesn't matter. the liner is there to prevent air from getting between the sub and the tub walls. if you don't wont side pins use one . I don't care where my fruits grow so I don't bother


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19340696 - 12/29/13 08:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You could use a clear liner, which would still stop side pinning, but would also allow the substrate to derive more energy from the light, on the sides.


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    #19341311 - 12/29/13 12:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I thought the liner was for blocking light?


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: DebuteMachine]
    #19341334 - 12/29/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

No the liner shrinks with the substrate, preventing the ideal side microclimate from forming. This prevents side pins from occuring.


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19341437 - 12/29/13 01:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

light is beneficial at all stages of growth. 100% colonization, fresh air and evaporation are what cause pins to form.


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19342118 - 12/29/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I forgot to take pics before harvesting since I was in a rush, but all 4 tiers of my dehydrator are packed, and I had another 645g I threw in the fridge  :mushroom: :mushroom: :mushroom:
I've never really done a proper second flush with monotubs, can I just let it go again without a dunk?
Last time I tried dunking one, it ended up with a huge bacterial infection from undrained water in the liner


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: blackglass6219]
    #19342136 - 12/29/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I dunk mine but only for six hours.


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19342144 - 12/29/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I use small bulk tubs in a GH though, not a mono.


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19342461 - 12/29/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I usually don't bother with dunking monos until after the third flush.


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19342498 - 12/29/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I usually don't bother with dunking monos until after the third flush.




That depends on the person and what kind of strain you cultivating, like cyan grain dunking before spawning to bulk...But not for cubes. Like you said after the second or third flush.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17616982/fpart/1/vc/1


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: kepty]
    #19342507 - 12/29/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

both cyan and cubes worked fucking great after dunking the spawn


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: kepty]
    #19342524 - 12/29/13 04:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I usually don't bother with dunking monos until after the third flush.




That depends on the person and what kind of strain you cultivating, like cyan grain dunking before spawning to bulk...But not for cubes. Like you said after the second or third flush.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17616982/fpart/1/vc/1




I dunk all my grains before spawning, its not really the same as dunking a colonized sub that's put out a flush or two :shrug: As for dunking your grain spawn, I have found that most species appreciate it, especially species that are slow colonizers.


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19342536 - 12/29/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I usually don't bother with dunking monos until after the third flush.




That depends on the person and what kind of strain you cultivating, like cyan grain dunking before spawning to bulk...But not for cubes. Like you said after the second or third flush.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17616982/fpart/1/vc/1




I dunk all my grains before spawning, its not really the same as dunking a colonized sub that's put out a flush or two :shrug: As for dunking your grain spawn, I have found that most species appreciate it, especially species that are slow colonizers.




would you recommend it for my next spawn? wbs & cubes spawning to coir & verm. I'm already soaking in coffee and the results where better with it. plus Im using LQ and the mycelium colonized so fast...


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: kepty]
    #19342551 - 12/29/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If your getting really fast colonization due to using LC then grain dunking is kind of pointless. If you are using G2G as your method of expansion then dunking is a good thing to replace any lost moisture during colonization.


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19342566 - 12/29/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

ahh yeah, I thought so because some jars where pooling (after inc.) in the bottom and the pool turn into pure white myc. If you think about it I'm am giving the grains some nutrients from the corn syrup LQ.


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: kepty]
    #19342833 - 12/29/13 06:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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That depends on the person and what kind of strain you cultivating, like cyan grain dunking before spawning to bulk...But not for cubes.



Pans and cubes are species, not strains.


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: PussyFart]
    #19342845 - 12/29/13 06:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

no pans are a genus cubes are a species...right?


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: cronicr]
    #19342862 - 12/29/13 06:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

No....pans and cubes are 2 different species of mushrooms.....as far as I know.


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: PussyFart]
    #19342875 - 12/29/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

pan cyans and psilo cubes are but pans and psilocybes are diffrent genuses all together...


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19342986 - 12/29/13 06:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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No the liner shrinks with the substrate, preventing the ideal side microclimate from forming. This prevents side pins from occuring.




TIL something very new. Thanks for the science!


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: DebuteMachine]
    #19346749 - 12/30/13 03:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Odd question, but is it safe to use an LC right out of the fridge or should I let it warm up? It's g. lucidum for a few jars of WBS


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: blackglass6219]
    #19346772 - 12/30/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

right out of the fridge


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: blackglass6219]
    #19346773 - 12/30/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Personally I only worry about if the jars are still to warm after PCing them.

I don't have experience so I can't answer you scientifically, but spores survive through the winter so I don't see it being a problem. But waiting 5 to 10 minutes to let it thaw shouldn't hurt either.

But like I said, I'm just using knowledge about different aspects, I've never done exactly the same as you're asking.


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) *DELETED* [Re: DebuteMachine]
    #19358518 - 01/02/14 01:21 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: blackglass6219]
    #19358548 - 01/02/14 01:27 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

woa, thats the great wall of side pins!


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19358684 - 01/02/14 01:55 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

Looks like a pretty good yield regardless!  Good job!

Amazing how so many mushrooms sprouted on the sides and managed to co-exist in such a small area.  Gotta love it!


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: Gorlami]
    #19358693 - 01/02/14 01:56 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

Good... Job...

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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: DebuteMachine]
    #19358921 - 01/02/14 02:48 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

I would cracker dry those side pins, blend them. Awesome tubs m8.
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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: kepty]
    #19359132 - 01/02/14 03:28 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

wow that is beautiful man good job!


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19359137 - 01/02/14 03:29 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

bury it at least:rolleyes:


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: cronicr]
    #19359238 - 01/02/14 03:50 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

I don't think you made a huge mistake at all bro, i think you fuckin' nailed it:thumbup:

You should change the name of this thread to "side pinnin' like a boss"


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: cronicr]
    #19359906 - 01/02/14 05:50 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

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bury it at least:rolleyes:



probably to cold outside....:shrug:


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: jboredone]
    #19359911 - 01/02/14 05:51 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

i doubt it:shrug: toss some straw or foliage over it:thumbup:


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Re: Made a huge mistake (forgot trashbag liner) [Re: 1down5up]
    #19359918 - 01/02/14 05:52 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

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I don't think you made a huge mistake at all bro, i think you fuckin' nailed it:thumbup:

You should change the name of this thread to "side pinnin' like a boss"



QFT!

User Tmethyl had a really good write up on methods that coerced side and bottom pinning from MS grows for the purpose of totally cashing out the substrate in one flush.  He would get basically 360 degrees of mushrooms.  You have done and us proud for sure.


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