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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Jaegar]
    #19320819 - 12/24/13 12:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I have my suspicions your gas tank and Kraptom and just more shields. A feeling of heroic bravery I myself utilize.

A safe procrastination.





Of course they are. Everything is imo.  But the Kratom is a fun one.


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #19320837 - 12/24/13 12:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I've been doing a lot of research into alternative cancer treatments due to a family members cancer.  There are a handful of alternative treatments that are working for a decent percentage of people who commit to them.  That's not easy for a lot of people because they have to change a lot of things rather than just showing up for a chemo appointment and then going home sicker than a dog.  Due to the differences in body chemistry and other factors no one treatment will work for everyone.  So some cancers will be cured but not all, ever imo.


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Libertin]
    #19321353 - 12/24/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't believe cancer is genetic...




It certainly is genetic, damaged genes are exactly what causes cancer. And carcinogens damage genes, this is how lifestyle factors contribute to cancer.

I guess you mean it's not always hereditary. Some people are genetically predisposed to certain types of cancer, they are born with certain mutations which may or may not lead to the formation of cancers - but the fact they have these mutations already means their potentially cancerous cells have a head-start. We all have the potential to develop cancer, it's just a case of being exposed to enough carcinogens to sufficiently damage your DNA, i.e. living long enough. These carcinogens exist throughout nature, although it seems evident that we're being exposed to more of them and new man-made ones in advanced industrial societies.

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Eventually we'll take every disease and disorder out of the human genome. So I think that you're right in a way, but that the way in which you're right will become irrelevant over time.




I agree. The manipulation of the human genome will eliminate the threat of cancer. It would be foolish to bet against this happening eventually imo.




no, no, no and no. I do not mean it is hereditary. This is the problem with modern science: they have gotten lazy and their experiments are now based on inductive reasoning rather than deductive reasoning.

inductive reasoning can be useful, but at best only finds correlation. As a scientist, correlation is useless.

The problem with genetics is that it is hard to find test subjects that share genetics and don't share a thousand other variables. if the last 4 generations of mothers in your family had breast cancer, it doesn't automatically mean that it has to be genetics. Maybe the last 4 generations of your family has lived in the same shit-hole town that has toxic dump sites.

I get that the fundamental concept of cancer is a genetic mutation within a cell. So it seems that the next logical step is that it has to be genetic. but look at it like this... your DNA is basically a list of protocol.  DNA is probably one of the most elegant and nearly infallible protocols ever written but every protocol is at the mercy of not being written in the future- meaning unknowns can pop up and create a situational dichotomy.
If a cell's actions are dictated by this protocol and a dichotomy presents itself all the safeguards (lymph nodes) and redundant systems break down. Now you have a rogue cell that believes it is doing its job, but in fact it is doing more bad than good.

It is like that movie Crimson Tide, with denzell washington aboard a nuclear submarine. They had strict protocol with tons of redundant devices and safeguards yet one extremely implausible scenario presented itself which created a dichotomy within the protocol. The protocol was designed to give one explicit answer for any circumstance, but because of an unforeseen problem, the protocol is now giving 2 explicit and contradicting conclusions.

that is how cancer can be a genetic problem, but not exactly a problem solved through fixing genetics. The proper term would be Epigenetic.
Like i said before, i do not know what the individual cause of cancer is, but the data shows that it is becoming more rampant than 100 years ago.
It could be that we are living longer and our "protocol" was never written with the idea that we would live to be 60. or it is GMO's, or a 10,000% increase of various waves passing through our body. hell it could be a fundamental change in the sun or fucking magnetic poles changing.... I leave that to real scientists to deduce.
but we need to start understanding that what passes for science in modern times, is not science. It is no better than me standing on a soapbox in the shroomery rattling off a theory. We have all heard how mothers who smoke have a X% higher chance of having a kid with ADHD and we think that "well it must be the cigarette smoke that does it", rather than think "a test group of women who smoke during their pregnancies probably have a lot more in common than just smoking... like they are shitty people/parents and live in shitty conditions and have sub-par intelligence".

so no... cancer is a by-product of a sick world, and at best it is the latent DNA's reaction to something we collectively fucked up and at worst the beginning of a self-termination program.


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #19324776 - 12/25/13 08:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I believe that in some cases cancer can be cured by a mixture of Baking soda and maple syrup, concentrated cannabis oil, Chagga mushrooms and reishi mushrooms.


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19325698 - 12/25/13 02:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not going into detail with this. I lost my dad to cancer. I know what the cure is. It's actually, the removal of things. Processed foods, pesticides, chemicals etc. Wonder why cancer wasn't so big 100 years ago and suddenly tripled in death count since the 80's or so?

The cure, so to speak, is avoidance of horrible things for the body we are fporced to eat. Pesticides get swallowed up by our vegetation and we eat that. It's unnatural and destroys the body.

A 'cure' would just allow people to continue to eat shit and live unhealthy lives. The cure exists, it's called changing your lifestyle. Were just fed bad things so our insurance and families can foot hefty bills.


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Icelander]
    #19325717 - 12/25/13 02:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I've been doing a lot of research into alternative cancer treatments due to a family members cancer.  There are a handful of alternative treatments that are working for a decent percentage of people who commit to them.  That's not easy for a lot of people because they have to change a lot of things rather than just showing up for a chemo appointment and then going home sicker than a dog.  Due to the differences in body chemistry and other factors no one treatment will work for everyone.  So some cancers will be cured but not all, ever imo.



Step one, avoid anything the doctor says. Their intentions may be there, but the truth is another alien chemical won't help the immune system.


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Atrium]
    #19326540 - 12/25/13 06:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think taking such a black and white approach could be a mistake.  Do your homework.  When it comes to cancer I mostly agree though.


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Icelander]
    #19326707 - 12/25/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The worst that can happen at all by avoidance of a doctors prescription and radiation is death. Only this death won't run up a massive bill or leave the individual without life in their last days. If, somehow they "take a turn for the worst" without chemo, I'd be shocked. The entire system of radiation, chemo, and prescriptions is meant to destroy, not save.


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Atrium]
    #19326995 - 12/25/13 09:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Like I said I generally agree but an operation to remove a large cancerous tumor and then using alternative methods would be something I might consider for myself.  I'd do my homework even there.


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Icelander]
    #19327812 - 12/26/13 07:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

That is all I can advise. Yes, a large malignant tumor would be the exception here but generally, avoid the "science" of oncology.


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Atrium] * 1
    #19328532 - 12/26/13 11:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Instead adopt the science of New Age faddism.


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19328614 - 12/26/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Cancer has already been cured many times, but it doesn't happen enough. [gradient:#00E650,#][/gradient]

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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19328848 - 12/26/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Instead adopt the science of New Age faddism.




I'd rather go that route than medical madness/murder. I'm watching them off my brother in law in the worst ways while robbing him blind. They've turned him into a suffering cripple imo.  The damage that radiation and chemo has done to his life is amazing. While his sister who has steadfastly refused treatment for a similar cancer is in less pain, less physical damage, and looks like is going to live a lot longer before sucumming.  :braindamage:


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Icelander]
    #19328856 - 12/26/13 01:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Kudoz to you then Icelander.. unlike many, you have understood a simple piece of what really is logic.. doing things that will hurt you, will actually hurt you...


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Icyus]
    #19328990 - 12/26/13 01:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm doing my research now on alternative treatments.  I actually have known a few who have had success with alternatives so I'm not believing it's all baloney although I think there's plenty of that also.  I've got about three treatments that I'd try if I got the cancer word and chemo and radiation are OUT.  I'm convinced they don't cure and instead cripple many.  OC can take that route if he chooses should that event come about and I wish him the best of luck of course.


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Icelander]
    #19329696 - 12/26/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Icelander please research chaga mushroom and reishi mushroom as cancer treatments and also the baking soda with maple syrup treatment .


Chaga mushroom is said to be as effective as chemo without the horrible side effects.


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19329704 - 12/26/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yet everything you post is fiction...


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19329724 - 12/26/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Icelander please research chaga mushroom and reishi mushroom as cancer treatments and also the baking soda with maple syrup treatment .


Chaga mushroom is said to be as effective as chemo without the horrible side effects.




Ooga Chaga is supposed to be even better.



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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19329810 - 12/26/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Icelander please research chaga mushroom and reishi mushroom as cancer treatments and also the baking soda with maple syrup treatment .


Chaga mushroom is said to be as effective as chemo without the horrible side effects.




I'll take a look thanks.


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19329838 - 12/26/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Instead adopt the science of New Age faddism.



You only say this because yoiu know not the pain associated with these actions. I'm glad for you. In a sense, you are still a child and therefore innocent and without pain.

Edit:yes the mushroom will be effective. The truth is anything that won't ,make pharma a lot of money is not considered "valid" treatment. There's quite a few unaired treatments but guess who runs politics and media? Rich motherfuckers who want to get richer.


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Edited by Atrium (12/26/13 05:50 PM)


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