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Is the multiverse a fractal?
    #19329272 - 12/26/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Get ready buckle up, buster. We're gonna tackle some next-level shit.

Lately on acid, I've been thinking a lot of stuff, and one of the topics is the multiverse. To me, I see it as there's either just one universe or an infinite number of universes, because why would it stop at 7? or 700? or 70667? That's just not how it would work, I don't think.

It has to be all or nothing. Which got me thinking, if it's an infinite number of universes, would that mean they fractal outwards/inwards? It would also kind of explain why the universe is finite but ever-expanding.

What are you thoughts on this? Sorry if what I wrote is disorganised.


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Re: Is the multiverse a fractal? [Re: bombnigeria]
    #19329276 - 12/26/13 03:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

string theory might have the answer for you

it predicts at least a finite number of universes that is very large

if you have a better idea, make a contribution :wink:

but unless your idea can be tested it is pointless really, just mental abstractions
what in everyday life makes you think we have infinite dimensions/universes, and how would you test it?
does infinite universes/dimensions fit into your life experience?

if you can answer these questions you might be onto something


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Re: Is the multiverse a fractal? [Re: lessismore]
    #19329301 - 12/26/13 03:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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mio said:

what in everyday life makes you think we have infinite dimensions/universes, and how would you test it?
does infinite universes/dimensions fit into your life experience?

if you can answer these questions you might be onto something





Hmm, well my mind trails off a lot (I'm not mad I swear! haha) so that's how I think about infinite dimensions and universes, but I dunno how you'd test it, they're all occurring outside of our universe, something that bounds us.


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Re: Is the multiverse a fractal? [Re: bombnigeria]
    #19329317 - 12/26/13 03:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

often mad peoples minds trail off a lot :wink:

I like to just observe/sit in nature and observe, everything is clear during and afterwards

there wont even be any doubt, and not any need to know things that are irrelevant, only things that are relevant :-)

personally I dont think a higher spiritual reality is unlikely, and this reality/physical being a subset of it
but that is just my personal faith


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Re: Is the multiverse a fractal? [Re: bombnigeria]
    #19329493 - 12/26/13 04:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Mio is right -- at this point the Multiverse concept is religion, not science.  Totally untestable.

That said, I very much subscribe to it.  My ideas sort of come together into the multiverse, I don't really know how to explain why I feel this way so I'm not going to try.

But, for anyone who's interested, I did come up with a little thought experiment that I would like to share (very brief, elementary version):

If Psi (the vertical axis of the quantum mechanical wavefunction, which gives a probability of finding a particle in some quantum state), is somehow made to change its value, then one no longer equals itself. 

In other words, if someone were to somehow dilate psi values (psi means other things too), one could equal other numbers than itself.  One could equal zero.

One could equal infinity -- which would reveal the multiverse!  (This would mean that the one universe (ours) is equivalent to an infinite number of universes.  In other words, a Level II multiverse.)

This is very abstract, not mathematically rigorous and wholly metaphorical.  But... I think valid, on some level.


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Re: Is the multiverse a fractal? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #19329506 - 12/26/13 04:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Those idiots that call themselves physisists have been walking around the porrige for qn eternity.. you gotto know everything at once, including nothing.. which is actually many things..


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And thus begins the  reverse-fusing of our one-dimentional understanding, and adds ever-expanding perspectives, in depth and number; splitting our perception, and in so doing, seemingly irrationally, creates yet more one-ness, with all that ever was, is and will ever be, streching across the infinite, inunderstood concept of everything, percievable and not.


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Re: Is the multiverse a fractal? [Re: Icyus]
    #19331050 - 12/26/13 11:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Does the multiverse theory include consciousness and biotic life, or just abiotic dust and gas and matter and stuff.?


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Re: Is the multiverse a fractal? [Re: Altered]
    #19331569 - 12/27/13 03:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yes I did another question that I should have posted here.
That means you'd get universes with different amounts of consciousness and some universes with no consciousness at all.

Maybe universes with no consciousness exist anyway, but there'd be no way of knowing. Because whether the universe exists outside our own mind we will never know.


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Re: Is the multiverse a fractal? [Re: bombnigeria]
    #19331847 - 12/27/13 06:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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bombnigeria said:
Yes I did another question that I should have posted here.
That means you'd get universes with different amounts of consciousness and some universes with no consciousness at all.

Maybe universes with no consciousness exist anyway, but there'd be no way of knowing. Because whether the universe exists outside our own mind we will never know.



If everything I am is a wave, there might be a wave somewhere just like me

a clone of me ;-)

maybe in another dimension, maybe in these dimensions

but if dimensions are just extensions of these dimensions, then just call the new dimensions new universes

picture dimensions like waves on a string with a certain frequency

tune into altered dimensions and universes

change base frequency of the mind

mind is the universe (buddhism)


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Re: Is the multiverse a fractal? [Re: bombnigeria]
    #19332106 - 12/27/13 08:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I dunno but i bought this at the supermarket this afternoon, it grows out of the ground



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Re: Is the multiverse a fractal? [Re: Chronic7]
    #19337973 - 12/28/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The Chronic said:
I dunno but i bought this at the supermarket this afternoon, it grows out of the ground






That looks trippy as fuck. Patterns in nature are incredible.. Why do people wanna fuck it all up with gene re-sequencing?


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