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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: Mescalean]
    #19328050 - 12/26/13 09:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I second the JFk assassination conspiracy.


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: robbyberto]
    #19328076 - 12/26/13 09:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:notsureif:


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: JonnyBtreed]
    #19328105 - 12/26/13 09:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The ability to legally destroy citizens right's under the guise of The Patriot Act.





um... what? maybe you should expand on this because I've not seen it to be the case


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19328239 - 12/26/13 10:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Mostly the fourth amendment. IF you are suspected of being a terrorist the government can essentially do whatever they want to you. Hold you without trial, search your person and home, tap your calls, invade your privacy to an even greater extent than they already do to the average American. Where do you draw the line on what is or is not considered a threat to America? You know damn well you and I are both on that list right now. Just because of the way we feel about handguns and the 2nd amendment. If and when they decide to round up guns across the country, people outspoken against gun control are going to become the new "terrorists" and threat to our government. And you know damn well they will use those Patriot act and ND(fill in the blank) bills against all that threaten to stop them.

It's a modern day witch hunt. Based on the accusation of another they could potentially come in and destroy your life and hold you without any proof of terrorist activity. If you are a threat to somebody in a very high profile position this is the perfect way to silence somebody and put them away for life. This couldn't of been done very easily before 911. Now they can throw you in a cell and not let you speak to anybody until your trial which isn't to be expected anytime soon and will be done in private anyway.

What about the implementation of the TSA? Are you telling me they don't step over their bounds constitutionally speaking? I know you'll probably come back come back saying "if you want to fly on their planes, then you have to abide by their rules" which is fine and justifiable to an extent. But like any federal program I'm sure it will just keep growing until you are searched at train stations, bus stations, you name it. Which is essentially the whole purpose of the fourth amendment was put in place to begin with. I would consider than "unreasonable".


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: JonnyBtreed]
    #19328292 - 12/26/13 10:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Simple solution: don't be a terrorist and the government will leave you alone.  Seems pretty straight-forward and simple to me. :shrug:


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: mpd]
    #19328293 - 12/26/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Simple solution: don't be a terrorist and the government will leave you alone.  Seems pretty straight-forward and simple to me. :shrug:





lol. that's pretty naive.


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: JonnyBtreed]
    #19328390 - 12/26/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Mostly the fourth amendment. IF you are suspected of being a terrorist the government can essentially do whatever they want to you. Hold you without trial, search your person and home, tap your calls, invade your privacy to an even greater extent than they already do to the average American.




except for one thing, that's false. a terry stop allows for a search of
someone's person, it's a weapons check that allows them to pat you down for
their safety, it's been in effect for decades, NYC is catching a lot of
controversy for the same thing only it's called 'stop and frisk'

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If and when they decide to round up guns across the country, people outspoken against gun control are going to become the new "terrorists" and threat to our government. And you know damn well they will use those Patriot act and ND(fill in the blank) bills against all that threaten to stop them.




except that it's not going to happen and the patriot act doesnt allow for it

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It's a modern day witch hunt. Based on the accusation of another they could potentially come in and destroy your life and hold you without any proof of terrorist activity. If you are a threat to somebody in a very high profile position this is the perfect way to silence somebody and put them away for life. This couldn't of been done very easily before 911. Now they can throw you in a cell and not let you speak to anybody until your trial which isn't to be expected anytime soon and will be done in private anyway.




again, a load of falsehoods based on hearsay

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What about the implementation of the TSA? Are you telling me they don't step over their bounds constitutionally speaking? I know you'll probably come back come back saying "if you want to fly on their planes, then you have to abide by their rules" which is fine and justifiable to an extent. But like any federal program I'm sure it will just keep growing until you are searched at train stations, bus stations, you name it. Which is essentially the whole purpose of the fourth amendment was put in place to begin with. I would consider than "unreasonable".





the beauty of air transportation, you dont have to fly and if you dont fly
you dont have to be subjected to the TSA searches, you agree to them when
you buy a plane ticket so what you've done is relinquished to right to not
have your person and carry on luggage checked before boarding a flight, I
dont fly because I wont support public funds providing private security for
air ports. none of it is unconstitutional and you have no right to travel
by any particular means such as air


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: skatealex2]
    #19328566 - 12/26/13 12:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Personally I think the idea that the Government delibaretly caused 9/11 is bs.  Now I do think blowback may have a had a big effect and may have possibly been the Government's actions that set it in motion, but I don't think Government agents hijacked planes on 9/11 and made it happen.  Also if that were the case I think some more evidence would possibly have come out by now.

That said, Tower 7 collapsing was pretty shady and it seems to have been ignored largely by the mainstream media.




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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: MisterSandman]
    #19328578 - 12/26/13 12:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The Government would never stage terrorist attacks in order to garner public support to go to war, I mean that's just absurd.......oh wait




No oh wait...  You act as though Operation Northwoods happened.  It didnt.  It was made up by a military man and it was not surprisingly rejected by the civilian government.  Your evidence supports the opposite of your point.  Operation Northwoods is evidence that our civilian government can and does reject military false flag  operations.


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: s240779]
    #19328583 - 12/26/13 12:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Oh, I recently saw that there's a conspiracy theory in regard to the Boston Bombing. I hadn't heard that one before.

Indisputable Photo Evidence That the Boston Marathon Bombing Was Staged


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: s240779]
    #19328599 - 12/26/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

As far as false flags go The Bay of Tonkin incident was confirmed to be a false flag in the wikileaks documents.  Thats pretty much why congress OK'd the go to Vietnam. 
I don't think it's that outrageous that the government could have done something like that again.


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: s240779]
    #19328625 - 12/26/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Oh, I recently saw that there's a conspiracy theory in regard to the Boston Bombing. I hadn't heard that one before.

Indisputable Photo Evidence That the Boston Marathon Bombing Was Staged



Any bad event that makes it to the media is considered by some conspiracy theorist to be staged, it's like they can't comprehend that bad people exist who don't work for their blame man of choice.


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: s240779]
    #19328646 - 12/26/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think something suspicious did go down on 9\11, and I am a conservative we also thought 911 pessimists were unpatriotic scumbags. Something just doesn't add up tho..





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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: Magicman69]
    #19328763 - 12/26/13 12:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I would love to hear Enlil's response to the fact that the wrong engine was found for the flight they claim that hit the towers. (4:50 into video) Also, the flight manifest released doesn't show these guys names as passengers, or any other arab names. Something suspicious here for sure

This is a good, thanks da2ra





My response is that its not true
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Anders Lindman said:
7th May 2011, 01:57 PM
http://opendb.com/images/wtc_engine2.jpg

It's a Pratt & Whitney JT9D-7R4D:

http://opendb.com/images/wtc_engine3.jpg

ETA: ... which is one of the standard 767 engines: http://www.tavansaz.com/JT9D_E.htm

But this looks different:

http://i53.tinypic.com/2wei8hg.jpg

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aircraft_engine_IP%26W_JT9D.jpg



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But this looks different:

http://i53.tinypic.com/2wei8hg.jpg

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aircraft_engine_IP%26W_JT9D.jpg

Nope, not different; just a different angle. The other photo shows fairly clearly the part found on Murray St.: the compressor and front of the combustor section. It's near the center of this diagram:

http://www.aircraftenginedesign.com/pictures/JT9D.gif




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