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When did you realize the fact that someday you will cease to be?
    #19328586 - 12/26/13 12:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

As a child and even in my later youth, I really thought I'd never die :lol:

The idea never dawned on me until these past couple years with the introduction of psychedelics, DA and the misc philosophy that interests me.
...I musta thought I was quite special.

The topic of death is quite fascinating to me because it seems so real.
The only thing that seems to be more real is the fact we seem to be living beings.

So when did you realize someday you won't be? (In this form at least)


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Re: When did you realize the fact that someday you will cease to be? [Re: cez]
    #19328620 - 12/26/13 12:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe I never even was. No more me seems fine in every sense. Life, death, sex, smoking a tomahawk pipe, or washing my armpits in a taco bell bathroom. Did I do all that? Well fuck what for? Zombie apocalypse looks like the adulterer that broke jail in old Sodom and Gommorah. Maybe it never was. Maybe I've got a strong suspicion that I'm not the man that was advertised, never was. "Who's there?" I don't know. Jonah in the belly of a whale? Thats an honest man, running away, running from life and running from death, a fugitive. The doors of convict cells are never locked from without but from within, or are they?


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Re: When did you realize the fact that someday you will cease to be? [Re: cez]
    #19328622 - 12/26/13 12:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Uhh..probably like 5 years old.


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Re: When did you realize the fact that someday you will cease to be? [Re: Eminence]
    #19328697 - 12/26/13 12:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I still don't really believe that I'll die one day.

Honestly.


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Re: When did you realize the fact that someday you will cease to be? [Re: deCypher]
    #19328759 - 12/26/13 12:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I still don't really believe that I'll die one day.

Honestly.



Same.

It's not something I think about at all or wish to think about. The thought scared me when I was really young, but since then I stopped fearing the inevitable and I'm in this mindset where I feel like I'm not going to face death. I still feel like I'm going to live forever at times.

The thought also comes up briefly during/after a near death experience, but I don't have those quite often. My mind is too occupied on other things to ponder about it really.


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Re: When did you realize the fact that someday you will cease to be? [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19328859 - 12/26/13 01:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Ellis Dee said:
Maybe I never even was. No more me seems fine in every sense. Life, death, sex, smoking a tomahawk pipe, or washing my armpits in a taco bell bathroom. Did I do all that? Well fuck what for? Zombie apocalypse looks like the adulterer that broke jail in old Sodom and Gommorah. Maybe it never was. Maybe I've got a strong suspicion that I'm not the man that was advertised, never was. "Who's there?" I don't know. Jonah in the belly of a whale? Thats an honest man, running away, running from life and running from death, a fugitive. The doors of convict cells are never locked from without but from within, or are they?





Something similar has crossed my mind. :satansmoking:


For most of my life I didn't really believe in death for myself.  Now that I have serious health issues that belief is starting to erode.


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Re: When did you realize the fact that someday you will cease to be? [Re: Icelander]
    #19328992 - 12/26/13 01:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Icelander said:

Something similar has crossed my mind. :satansmoking:


For most of my life I didn't really believe in death for myself.  Now that I have serious health issues that belief is starting to erode.




Where do you think this concept of immortality arose from, for you?

For my generation I suspect video games, cartoons, and intellectually stunted parents :evil:


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Re: When did you realize the fact that someday you will cease to be? [Re: Khancious]
    #19329001 - 12/26/13 01:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It arose from DA imo. My mind effectively shut out the knowledge of my impermanence using cultural beliefs and it's doings.  It worked great for awhile.


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Re: When did you realize the fact that someday you will cease to be? [Re: Icelander]
    #19329080 - 12/26/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

What is DA?

Dopamine? The district attorney?


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Re: When did you realize the fact that someday you will cease to be? [Re: Khancious]
    #19329148 - 12/26/13 02:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Khancious said:Where do you think this concept of immortality arose from?



Fear. Fear of nonexistance. Fear of death. Fear.


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Re: When did you realize the fact that someday you will cease to be? [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19329151 - 12/26/13 02:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I cease to be every moment, dead from my expression and born anew.


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Re: When did you realize the fact that someday you will cease to be? [Re: Ellis Dee] * 1
    #19329177 - 12/26/13 02:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Fear. Fear of nonexistance. Fear of death. Fear.




Or awareness and clarity........

People may choose to deny their heritage but the physical world at some point becomes undenyable to the observer. Unless you get hit by a bus or something, get snuffed out early.

Injury, illness and age will make the physical world undenyable. You can  choose to observe it now, however.


*** edit I'm sorry I thought this was aimed at icelander's comment for some reason, but I see i'm mistaken. I agree, much denialism is fear based.


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Re: When did you realize the fact that someday you will cease to be? [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19329210 - 12/26/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Khancious said:Where do you think this concept of immortality arose from?



Fear. Fear of nonexistance. Fear of death. Fear.




Maybe.

Or hope for a better future.  A future without old age, or death.  A future that with the advent of biotechnology and science, we can quite possibly achieve.

In other words, immortality is at our fingertips.  And it's our choice whether we let fear/superstition/religion hold us back from reaching out and grabbing it.  :sun:


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Re: When did you realize the fact that someday you will cease to be? [Re: deCypher]
    #19329229 - 12/26/13 02:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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In other words, immortality is at our fingertips.  And it's our choice whether we let fear/superstition/religion hold us back from reaching out and grabbing it.  :sun:





OK, so why don't you choose to be immortal then? When you say "our" what do you mean? I do not know how to choose immortality.

This sounds like rhetoric grounded in fear. Why not embrace the fact you are going to die? Use this knowledge to inform how you are going to live your limited life. Don't fuck around with pseudo scientific hope, because it's a hard drug that when abused, will keep you from using your time wisely.


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Re: When did you realize the fact that someday you will cease to be? [Re: deCypher]
    #19329237 - 12/26/13 03:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Maybe.

Or hope for a better future.  A future without old age, or death.  A future that with the advent of biotechnology and science, we can quite possibly achieve.

In other words, immortality is at our fingertips.  And it's our choice whether we let fear/superstition/religion hold us back from reaching out and grabbing it.  :sun:



Is hope an adjective for delusion?


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Re: When did you realize the fact that someday you will cease to be? [Re: Roger Wilco]
    #19329243 - 12/26/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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In other words, immortality is at our fingertips.  And it's our choice whether we let fear/superstition/religion hold us back from reaching out and grabbing it.  :sun:





OK, so why don't you choose to be immortal then? When you say "our" what do you mean? I do not know how to choose immortality.

This sounds like rhetoric grounded in fear. Why not embrace the fact you are going to die? Use this knowledge to inform how you are going to live your limited life. Don't fuck around with pseudo scientific hope, because it's a hard drug that when abused, will keep you from using your time wisely.




"Pseudo scientific hope"?  :lol:

Maybe I'm overly optimistic, but already we've discovered that old age is caused by shortening telomeres.  I see old age as nothing more than a defect in our genetic machinery, that given enough time and enough brain power, can be overcome.

If you feel otherwise, please elaborate.  Maybe it won't happen in my lifetime, but if you see any impossibility in the eventual advancement of medical science in so far as to cure aging, I'd be interested in hearing it.


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Re: When did you realize the fact that someday you will cease to be? [Re: deCypher]
    #19329351 - 12/26/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Maybe I'm overly optimistic, but already we've discovered that old age is caused by shortening telomeres.  I see old age as nothing more than a defect in our genetic machinery, that given enough time and enough brain power, can be overcome.






What do you mean by we? What studies have you been involved with?

Are you an expert on genetics or telomeres? Here is a recent articles talking about telomere studies from UCSF. It appears they are suggesting that telomeres are lengthenend from being healthy. ARTICLE

You are suggesting that somehow "genetically" we can lengthen someones telomeres to make them healthy. This is confusing correlation and causation. The cause of lengthened telomeres is being attentive to your health, and this is nothing new. We've known for a long time about the effects of diet sleep etc. have on aging.

There are a lot of futurists that say a lot of things. That doesn't ground these things in reality or make then tangible, accessible to me or the people around me. The bridge between science fiction and reality grows, but I've seen nothing but hype and rhetoric regarding ever lasting life. "Future-ism" predominately uses "ism" in the dogmatic sense.

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If you feel otherwise, please elaborate.  Maybe it won't happen in my lifetime, but if you see any impossibility in the eventual advancement of medical science in so far as to cure aging, I'd be interested in hearing it.






The notion that you can cure aging is a fallacious. Aging isn't something that needs curing. It isn't a disease. It isn't a parasite. It is not a problem. It's your body working properly. If you want to avoid having a rough time with aging, be attentive to your sleep, diet, space concerns, exercise, and knowledge, among other things. Start this attentive process as soon as possible.


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Re: When did you realize the fact that someday you will cease to be? [Re: Roger Wilco]
    #19329436 - 12/26/13 04:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, give these poor depressed excuses for beings immortality... then it will all get better..


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Re: When did you realize the fact that someday you will cease to be? [Re: Roger Wilco]
    #19329781 - 12/26/13 05:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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What is DA?

Dopamine? The district attorney?





That and so much more. 


DA-Death Anxiety.


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Re: When did you realize the fact that someday you will cease to be? [Re: deCypher]
    #19329803 - 12/26/13 05:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Khancious said:Where do you think this concept of immortality arose from?



Fear. Fear of nonexistance. Fear of death. Fear.




Maybe.

Or hope for a better future.  A future without old age, or death.  A future that with the advent of biotechnology and science, we can quite possibly achieve.

In other words, immortality is at our fingertips.  And it's our choice whether we let fear/superstition/religion hold us back from reaching out and grabbing it.  :sun:



:lol:  hope springs in youthful folly land.

Death is your ace in the hole laddie. :satansmoking:

Of course I understand it having gone through it.  There is a dream, a dream that we can undo or do over the mistakes of our youth but it's not to be imo.  Would open up a whole new slew of issues most likely anyway.


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Re: When did you realize the fact that someday you will cease to be? [Re: cez]
    #19329837 - 12/26/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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As a child and even in my later youth, I really thought I'd never die :lol:

The idea never dawned on me until these past couple years with the introduction of psychedelics, DA and the misc philosophy that interests me.
...I musta thought I was quite special.

The topic of death is quite fascinating to me because it seems so real.
The only thing that seems to be more real is the fact we seem to be living beings.

So when did you realize someday you won't be? (In this form at least)




One of my first memories. Or at least, potent memories that stuck with me. I must've been around 5. I felt like life was fake and a dream until then. Since then, life feels real that death's real.

I don't really care about achieving immortality through means of science or preservation. It feels to me like it wouldn't be dealing with our impermanence. Even if we did achieve immortality, not only would it be boring, but down the road, we'd still have to deal with our deaths because our universe is finite. It just puts our mortality off into a more distant future. I think that most people think that immortality would make them happy, but I don't think that's what would really make people happy...

I have no clue what would actually make people happy. :tongue:

I try to remind myself daily that life is impermanent so that it's on my mind that I'm going to die. :lol:


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Re: When did you realize the fact that someday you will cease to be? [Re: cez]
    #19331731 - 12/27/13 04:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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cez said:
As a child and even in my later youth, I really thought I'd never die :lol:

The idea never dawned on me until these past couple years with the introduction of psychedelics, DA and the misc philosophy that interests me.
...I musta thought I was quite special.





I think secretly everybody believes this until they get a bit older, and maybe even then, and i don't think its all out of fear of the unknown, fear of death, it's also out of an intuitive sense that we know we are the unknown, the unborn, uncreated, so it's not actually a belief that we as an individual won't die, it's more a knowing that we never existed in the first place

I personally didn't start thinking about death properly until my best friend died out of the blue, but before that it was probably when family pets died


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Re: When did you realize the fact that someday you will cease to be? [Re: cez]
    #19331763 - 12/27/13 05:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's amazing to me that you guys even in adulthood still think you're never going to die. That just blows my mind. Even as a kid, I was very aware that one day I was going to die.

As a kid, I used to think that 20 was soooo old that I would surely be dead by then :lol:


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Re: When did you realize the fact that someday you will cease to be? [Re: nooneman]
    #19331936 - 12/27/13 06:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I cant remember ever not fearing death. Even as a very small child, 6 and younger, i had sever death anxiety.

I never feared monsters in the closet or anything, my nightmares were always just simply dieing


Its followed me into my 20s. Like today is my 23rd birthday and my prevailing thoughts as i woke up today were that i was one year closer to death, and that rather than acomplishing anything by now ive only managed to set myself up for a fairly dismal life


The older i get the more and more i feel my fear of death transforming into a sort of half-eagerness. I mean when youre dead theres no worry about money, place to stay, cant get thrown in jail, cant be lonely...etc


Doesnt sound too bad to me :lol:


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Re: When did you realize the fact that someday you will cease to be? [Re: Chuckfinely]
    #19332016 - 12/27/13 07:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I was five and my parents took my sibling and I out into a field away from the city lights to watch a meteor shower. It was so spectacular and intense, I haven't seen once like it since then. Watching the starts drop from the sky made me realize that I am a mortal and one day I will die. I asked me parents if it was true, and they were honest with me. At the time it upset me a great deal. Now I'm okay with it. It's my dying process that I worry about...Will there be someone to take care of me? How long will I be debilitated and miserable before I actually kick the bucket? Will I have the right to choose when and how I die by then, legally, so that when I inevitably get sick I have access to all the right medications to take that will cause a quick, painless, easy crossing over?

These are the things I think about.

By the way. I am patchouli Savage. I am new, I guess. But I am so old, too....


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Re: When did you realize the fact that someday you will cease to be? [Re: cez]
    #19332095 - 12/27/13 08:20 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

No-one has ever realized that one day they will cease to be

Anything anyone has ever found that ceases to be, is ultimately not what they are, it's an idea of themselves

What we are never began, so it can never cease


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Re: When did you realize the fact that someday you will cease to be? [Re: Patchouli_Savage]
    #19332140 - 12/27/13 08:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I was five and my parents took my sibling and I out into a field away from the city lights to watch a meteor shower. It was so spectacular and intense, I haven't seen once like it since then. Watching the starts drop from the sky made me realize that I am a mortal and one day I will die. I asked me parents if it was true, and they were honest with me. At the time it upset me a great deal. Now I'm okay with it. It's my dying process that I worry about...Will there be someone to take care of me? How long will I be debilitated and miserable before I actually kick the bucket? Will I have the right to choose when and how I die by then, legally, so that when I inevitably get sick I have access to all the right medications to take that will cause a quick, painless, easy crossing over?

These are the things I think about.

By the way. I am patchouli Savage. I am new, I guess. But I am so old, too....





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Re: When did you realize the fact that someday you will cease to be? [Re: Chronic7]
    #19333568 - 12/27/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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No-one has ever realized that one day they will cease to be

Anything anyone has ever found that ceases to be, is ultimately not what they are, it's an idea of themselves

What we are never began, so it can never cease





...Or what we are always was and everything attached attains cessation.

Same difference I think but the point in the op was regarding the impermanence of the body/ego.


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Re: When did you realize the fact that someday you will cease to be? [Re: Chuckfinely]
    #19333572 - 12/27/13 04:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I cant remember ever not fearing death. Even as a very small child, 6 and younger, i had sever death anxiety.

I never feared monsters in the closet or anything, my nightmares were always just simply dieing


Its followed me into my 20s. Like today is my 23rd birthday and my prevailing thoughts as i woke up today were that i was one year closer to death, and that rather than acomplishing anything by now ive only managed to set myself up for a fairly dismal life


The older i get the more and more i feel my fear of death transforming into a sort of half-eagerness. I mean when youre dead theres no worry about money, place to stay, cant get thrown in jail, cant be lonely...etc


Doesnt sound too bad to me :lol:





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