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Re: Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit [Re: Ace1928]
    #19331723 - 12/27/13 04:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well at least you found a way to potentially make money off the time and hardwork of others posting in the forum. 

Also I don't think that anyone who can't master drilling some holes in a tub should be growing in the first place. :shrug:

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It is a self regulated mushroom environment.



For the climate and conditions that you are in.  I have to adjust my fruiting chambers/rooms depending on time of year and location.  Throw in growing edibles and having a fit all solution really doesn't make any sense.


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Re: Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit [Re: CMOS]
    #19331843 - 12/27/13 06:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Temperature can be regulated, if necessary, using something similar to an aquarium ballast tank.
Why should someone not be allowed to grow fungi if they don't have the time or skill to go through grain inoculation, sterile procedures and correct substrate preparation?

A fit all solution is not hard to do. Which is why I have done it.
As for profiting off of other peoples knowledge on the forum? Most of this I have figured out myself. In fact majority of how the thing works is how "it cannot work" according to so many people on here. Yet it does.

For a community about growing mushrooms there are an awful lot of close minded individuals.


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Re: Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit [Re: Ace1928]
    #19331891 - 12/27/13 06:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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A fit all solution is not hard to do. Which is why I have done it.



It would not fit me.....and I doubt it would fit anyone who did the slightest bit of research, granted that research they did was of good updated info.

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As for profiting off of other peoples knowledge on the forum? Most of this I have figured out myself. In fact majority of how the thing works is how "it cannot work" according to so many people on here. Yet it does.

For a community about growing mushrooms there are an awful lot of close minded individuals.



It's not us that are being closed minded.....there are many good reasons that have been given on why your setup is a little "wacky".
....we tell people to heat the room and NOT the chamber for a reason.....heating the chamber can screw up the humidity.


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Re: Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit [Re: PussyFart]
    #19331951 - 12/27/13 07:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Just gonna point out one more time
These kits are not for drug cultivation. AT ALL. EVER. EVER.

Now alot of people who DO NOT LIKE DRUGS will not look at this site for information on how to grow mushrooms because "Magic Mushrooms Demystified" immediately sounds like a drug site. People run away from it.

This site however is essentially the internets treasure trove of myco knowledge. So when people run away from it they are never going to learn. They miss out.

SO to save them the hassle i've built the kit and tested the kit and ensured the kit works for a multitude of species.

They don't have to think (people don't seem to like doing that) and they get to eat tasty gourmet NON PSYCHOACTIVE mushrooms that are either expensive at their local shop or inaccessible.

That is the niche market. That is why it is profitable. THAT is why I already have interest.

Are you people incapable of viewing things from an alternate perspective to your own?

I understand what you guys are all saying. I did what you guys are all saying. I built my own tubs etc. It was fantastic. But I'm also not put off by the whole drug use side of this site. However I did and still do have to continuously hide it from those close to me because the site APPEARS BAD.

So to accommodate all of those people out there, such as my relatives and young cousins, who may wish to grow tasty mushrooms but are anti-drug, I made the kits.

They work. They produce good yields. They are a tidy neat little package and they will look even more modern and artistic once the injection molding commences


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Re: Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit [Re: Ace1928]
    #19331955 - 12/27/13 07:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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For a community about growing mushrooms there are an awful lot of close minded individuals.





gee , i would have said.....
" too experienced to feel the need for it"

and hey, ya market a tobacco pipe, and someone is gonna put pot in it.
besides, your asking on a exotics growers forum.
i dont blame ya for that, as we are some of the best growers on the planet.............but really, you asked.........here.

i dont think these guys are trying to be mean here.
ya wanna see mean, see any thread i frequent.

i think were simply saying we dont need an insta grow neon shroom,
what we really need is skill, good teks, and education....
and a sense of grow learning.
were not convinced we need this in our supply chain.

the whole world can grow now, if they want,
and most have the supplies nearby and cheap.
yet, many do not.
a plastic toadstool just isnt the catalyst to world shrooming.


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Re: Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit [Re: Ace1928]
    #19331956 - 12/27/13 07:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Not one person in this thread(besides you) mentioned anything about drugs.....and you call us close minded.

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A refill is essentially your species of choice in a cylindrical package that you put into the middle of the colonising chamber to start your next grow. It is the spawn that is pre colonised and contam free.




So we put the already colonized spawn inside of a colonization chamber and not spawn it.......got it......I'm sold....you obviously know what you're talking about.


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Re: Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit [Re: PussyFart]
    #19331968 - 12/27/13 07:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

drugs? you mean people use fungi as an inebriant?
this is news to me......

next thing ya know,, peeps will be injecting cactus for a fix also.

where do you guys get these wild ideas?


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Re: Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit [Re: anne halonium]
    #19331977 - 12/27/13 07:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not saying you guys are mean. And this is also a forum for edible mushrooms as much as anything else. There are tonnes of edible growers on here.

And yes you guys are right. Your skill is beyond the need for this device. But think way back to your noob days. If you had the option of knowing you were going to succeed time and time again and it wasnt going to cost you a substantial amount of money would you have risked all of the failures and time and money and effort involved in getting where you are now?

back then you may have taken the easy way out or you may not have. That is purely based on the kind of person you are. But MOST people like convenience and simplicity. Growing mushrooms following any of the teks on this site is neither convenient NOR somple FOR A BEGINNER or someone who doesnt have the time.

Think of a business man who loves gardening and growing his own food but he also loves mushrooms. He may have a family and long work hours. He doesn't have the time to invest into getting a correct and functional set up going on.

Think of uni students who are studying hard and might live in a small apartment. They dont care about drugs (surprise surprise not all college students/uni students do) so they dont come on sites like this that appear like drug cultivation sites but they love to garden. They cant garden in their uni/apartment but with a kit like this they could grow as many mushrooms as they wanted and it would not impact on their study habits or social life.

What about elderly people? They may no longer be as capable or willing to put in so much effort to make a proper set up and keep everything running smoothly. With this kit they would simply do a few very easy and quick steps and they would still be able to grow their own mushrooms.

The kit is about ease of use, accessibility, simplicity, convenience, cost effectiveness, recycling, "set and forget". It is NOT targeted at professional/semi-pro growers. You guys do whatever makes you happy.

If you look at it from an ease of use perspective then you can appreciate it for what it is. Its an environmental chamber capable of being easily and quickly adjusted for a multitude of species taht runs itself simply enough that you plug it in and walk away.
Or if you wanna be full eco you get a solar kit and set it up on your veranda and walk away.

The refill is the spawn that colonizes the rest of the substrate. Think about a dowel plug going into a tree stump. Same principal. And guess what! it works too :o

I'm most definitely not the first to mention drugs... read earlier posts. Some of the first criticisms were drug related.


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Re: Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit [Re: Ace1928]
    #19331984 - 12/27/13 07:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

ya almost had me going till this part.......

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Think of uni students who are studying hard and might live in a small apartment. They dont care about drugs (surprise surprise not all college students/uni students do)





i went to a major private art school.
i cant imagine those things filled with oysters in the dorms......

i can easily imagine them being BANNED from dorms though.

my major objection is how the thing looks.
if it was in a head shop,
it would draw heads like fungal gnats.

could ya at least make the thing not SCREAM,
" hey mon, funky shrooms, lift the lid"?????????


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Re: Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit [Re: anne halonium]
    #19332005 - 12/27/13 07:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So don't grow it in dorms?
Not every college/uni kid lives on campus. Heaps of them do not.
In fact I would say majority do not. Over here at least.
And so what? One of the demographics i pointed out may not fit perfectly. There will still be many people who are interested in it.

The number of unskilled people who WANT organic food. who WANT gourmet food. who WANT to grow their own mushrooms far outweighs the number of skilled people who want the same.


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Re: Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit [Re: anne halonium]
    #19332011 - 12/27/13 07:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Think of uni students who are studying hard and might live in a small apartment. They dont care about drugs (surprise surprise not all college students/uni students do)





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Re: Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit [Re: Aero]
    #19332015 - 12/27/13 07:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

aero was my dorm mate, til i got evicted for wild science in the room.:heart:


" so dont grow in dorms"
thats kinda funny..........


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Re: Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit [Re: anne halonium]
    #19332030 - 12/27/13 07:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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aero was my dorm mate, til i got evicted for wild science in the room.:heart:





we went so wild, like for a few days i thought im anne and anne thought she is me
that was right after a twister party, when we consumed some dorm-grown pleurotus ostreatus


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Re: Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit [Re: PussyFart]
    #19332031 - 12/27/13 07:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Why would you buy this rather than some $5 tubs? Because this is guaranteed to work and requires no ingenuity or set up from the user. It doesn't require perlite. It doesn't require the drilling of holes. It doesnt require polyfill.
As "childish" as this prototype looks it is in fact the culmination of about 2.5 years work.



It's a monotub with a pump.....





Oh my god.  If you put that on kickstarter I will make sure you don't raise a single dollar that I don't first take 90 cents from!

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19058333

All jokes aside. Your only market is going to be new growers that see your product on kickstarter before they find the shroomery boards.

No everyone wants 2 KG of mushrooms. Plenty of people are happy with a few little cakes that they can get started with for $30 USD.

That being said, if it seriously works as promised then I guess 'why not' go for it and see what happens.  I don't see how you can promise such large flushes since I'm assuming you're not selling people substrate that's pre-inocualated with an isolate.  Since people are going to be buying spores from all over the genetics will be equally all over the place.  What's going to happen when someone get's a crap syringe and complains that they only got 10 grams of mushrooms?  Are you going to comp them fresh substrate / refills?

Will your investors want to invest in something that obviously is going to be used for illegal operations?

If you're the one selling syringes and substrate at the same time then you're kinda guilty of conspiracy to grow an illegal substance.  But if you're not selling the inoculation tools then you have no control over genetics and can't make any guarantees.


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Re: Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit [Re: anne halonium]
    #19332032 - 12/27/13 07:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Do any of you guys wear glasses?
Because if you don't then that would essentially mean that you don't need glasses (obviously).

So does that make glasses stupid and unnecessary just because you don't need them? No?

Well holy shit. Just cause YOU don't need this kit for YOURSELF does not mean that other people will feel exactly the same.


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Re: Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit [Re: Ace1928]
    #19332041 - 12/27/13 07:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Do any of you guys wear glasses?
Because if you don't then that would essentially mean that you don't need glasses (obviously).

So does that make glasses stupid and unnecessary just because you don't need them? No?

Well holy shit. Just cause YOU don't need this kit for YOURSELF does not mean that other people will feel exactly the same.




there are many cheaper grow kits out there
12-15dollar and the happy urban organic i grow my own food hipster hippy can grow his own edibles


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Re: Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19332042 - 12/27/13 07:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

gee elastic, that was a thoughtful post with some good points.:thumbup:

how bout this, design one thats discreet looking.
then at least ya can capture the stealth vote.


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Re: Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit [Re: Ace1928]
    #19332054 - 12/27/13 07:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Actually i am selling substrate that is pre inoculated with an isolate. that is the purpose of the refill cartridges. that is also why i can guarantee it works and why i can guarantee flushes.

Kinda the point of the whole thing.

Ok so if i sell you a garden pot that makes me conspiring to sell tools for growing weed?
yeh good logic there guys. big thumbs up.

Selling edible cultures is not illegal. Selling colonized refills of edible cultures is not illegal. In fact the kits themselves would be DIFFICULT to modify quickly into an illegal grow set up. They are not designed for that at all and for most illegal mushrooms would not be easy to modify to work that way.

And if you are going to that effort to modify it for illegals then of course you are going to buy tubs. Good for you. Good for me. I dont want you growing illegals in the damn thing.

In fact a vast majority of the population does not want to grow illegal mushrooms either.

As for the design screaming "funky shrooms" that is the whole point behind the finals having customized artworks or solid colors to fit each individuals style.
Me personally? I would not care if there were psychedelic patterns on it. Cop wants to check it. Go for it. Funnily enough the finals will in fact be a branded product that grows mushrooms. Meaning a cop would most of the time be completely wasting their time.

And, as i said, they are not designed for illegals and would not be very easy to modify to grow illegals.

Youre right. There are cheaper kits. That are single use, dont offer recycling and have no guarantee of working. They require constant misting and monitoring and generally have quite poor output.

Yeh ill buy that inferior product. Sounds great.

Ok ill make dull stealthy products for the tiny tiny market of people cultivating an illegal mushroom. Sounds like solid business practice to focus on a very small group doing illegal activities in the hopes of making a fraction of the money i would otherwise make from the larger target demographics.


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Re: Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit [Re: Ace1928]
    #19332068 - 12/27/13 08:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Actually i am selling substrate that is pre inoculated with an isolate. that is the purpose of the refill cartridges. that is also why i can guarantee it works and why i can guarantee flushes.

Kinda the point of the whole thing.

Ok so if i sell you a garden pot that makes me conspiring to sell tools for growing weed?
yeh good logic there guys. big thumbs up.

Selling edible cultures is not illegal. Selling colonized refills of edible cultures is not illegal. In fact the kits themselves would be DIFFICULT to modify quickly into an illegal grow set up. They are not designed for that at all and for most illegal mushrooms would not be easy to modify to work that way.

And if you are going to that effort to modify it for illegals then of course you are going to buy tubs. Good for you. Good for me. I dont want you growing illegals in the damn thing.

In fact a vast majority of the population does not want to grow illegal mushrooms either.

As for the design screaming "funky shrooms" that is the whole point behind the finals having customized artworks or solid colors to fit each individuals style.
Me personally? I would not care if there were psychedelic patterns on it. Cop wants to check it. Go for it. Funnily enough the finals will in fact be a branded product that grows mushrooms. Meaning a cop would most of the time be completely wasting their time.

And, as i said, they are not designed for illegals and would not be very easy to modify to grow illegals.

Youre right. There are cheaper kits. That are single use, dont offer recycling and have no guarantee of working. They require constant misting and monitoring and generally have quite poor output.

Yeh ill buy that inferior product. Sounds great.

Ok ill make dull stealthy products for the tiny tiny market of people cultivating an illegal mushroom. Sounds like solid business practice to focus on a very small group doing illegal activities in the hopes of making a fraction of the money i would otherwise make from the larger target demographics.




id like to see that happening, if u want people to believe that ur product is 100% reliable,
try to make something that doesnt look like an 8year olds handcraft
u can check those very well designed windowsill growing trays that fit in an urban middle class family house,
colorful mushrooms that reminds everyone to MAGIC MUSHROOMS isnt the best design of choice

check mushboo.com


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Re: Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit [Re: Aero]
    #19332089 - 12/27/13 08:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Ok well this is a PROTOTYPE. you know first physical draft of a product?
The kickstarter is for funding the injection moulding. The proto is to test all of the concepts in kit form rather than as seperate entities at each individual stage.

and as for the mushboo? That system is TINY. I imagine, by looking at that, you would get about 300g total from a refill. for $15 with a $100 outlay?

Yep. Sounds really flash. Hard to compete with. You know not like the product Im offering can do better... Oh wait it does. My bad.
$70 RRP. $20 refill. Up to 2kg of mushrooms. Minimum of 1kg. So effectively equivalent to 2 refills of the mushboo for $10 less.

Yeh hard to compete with.

As for the appearance. Im not sure how many ways it can be said. PROTOTYPE. Artwork will be UNIQUE later on. VARIOUS DESIGNS. NOT ALL PSYCHEDELIC COLORS AND STUFF. PROTOTYPE. PROTOTYPE. PROTOTYPE.

Sinking in at all yet?
APPEARANCE IS UNIMPORTANT ON A PROTOTYPE. I chose that particular color scheme/design FOR MYSELF.
If you want a stealth kit do it yourself. Im not promoting stealthy illegal growing. EVER.


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