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Ace1928
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Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit
#19327725 - 12/26/13 05:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey guys,
Been working on making a kit style set up that can be sold retail for mushroom cultivation. Have finally finished the prototype. Have tested the proof of concept for all other stages. Now to just put it all together and document it start to finish before launching it on kickstarter in the new year.


The larger mushroom house looking thing is the fruiting chamber. And the smaller one is the colonising chamber. The smallest part is the insert that will be colonised by the myeclium.

Next to a garbage bin for an idea of scale

Little bit of decoration :P
Here are some pictures of the prototype. It is a rough draft. The final product will look much more flash.
It is a self regulated mushroom environment. Built in FAE for fruiting and a second chamber with GE for colonisation. Also built to take "refills" and either recycle any and all biodegradable waste products (after appropriate treatment, included in kit instructions) or use standard straw/compost (depending on species) using the appropriate treatment process again.
Let me know what you all think. Can't reveal TOO much information about it all because that would defeat the purpose of commercialising it :P
Cheers guys
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Re: Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit [Re: Ace1928]
#19327742 - 12/26/13 05:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Looks like you have a lot to learn.
How the product looks is irrelevant.....does it function well is the key.
What do you mean by "built in FAE"? A pump?
How much do you plan on charging, and why would I buy your product versus a few $5 tubs and/or some perlite?
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Edited by PussyFart (12/26/13 05:55 AM)
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Re: Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit [Re: PussyFart]
#19327761 - 12/26/13 06:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: Looks like you have a lot to learn.
How the product looks is irrelevant.....does it function well is the key.
What do you mean by "built in FAE"? A pump?
How much do you plan on charging, and why would I buy your product versus a few $5 tubs and/or some perlite?
it could have been far worse. At least he's trying.
OP: You have like, investors and stuff? Like is this actually going to be a thing?
Or is this just a pretty bucket with holes in it?
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Re: Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit [Re: Psilosopherr]
#19327781 - 12/26/13 06:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I meant no offense, but if he wants to take this product to market those things need to be considered.
I would rather spend my money on a system that looks like shit but works flawlessly than one that looks like a pretty mushroom but is really just a high dollar PMP.
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Re: Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit [Re: PussyFart]
#19327792 - 12/26/13 06:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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and maybe making something that doesn't look like your growing magic mushrooms would feel better for folks in country's where it isn't allowed...
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Re: Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit [Re: forrest]
#19328006 - 12/26/13 08:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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not into it.....sorry 
this is what ya do, make those things bigger, and a large hole on one side, add a a small pillow, and house cats will love it.
use the profits to develop a serious grow for yourself.
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Edited by anne halonium (12/26/13 01:42 PM)
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Ace1928
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Re: Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit [Re: anne halonium]
#19329350 - 12/26/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just so everyone knows it has been tested and does work flawlessly. As for the whole color scheme not looking appealing to you all because it looks like magic mushrooms there is actually a plan for it where different graphic designers and artists get the opportunity to put their artworks on the lids of the largeer and smaller units. Thereby increasing the aesthetic value of the unit itself (making it an ornament essentially) and also giving the designer/artist huge amounts of public exposure.
I have some investors interested in it atm yes and will be launching it on kickstarter soon.
Why would you buy this rather than some $5 tubs? Because this is guaranteed to work and requires no ingenuity or set up from the user. It doesn't require perlite. It doesn't require the drilling of holes. It doesnt require polyfill. As "childish" as this prototype looks it is in fact the culmination of about 2.5 years work.
Sure I have not posted a HUGE amount on here but I have been using the site for a long time and researching and experimenting the whole time too.
Yes built in FAE. A pump. A pump with enough FAE that even oyster mushrooms love it. And the FAE system provides the moisture and humidity as well. The whole system is built to work in synergy. Every part of the system is necessary for the other parts to function.
And the size of the system is enough to produce about 1.5 - 2kg over 3 flushes. That has also been verified earlier with much worse looking prototypes.
As for the people here who don't like it. What could be done to make it more appealing to you? I'm completely open to suggestions as to how to improve it all. And remember. It is completely 100% functional so if that is all you are worried about then don't. All of the kits will come with a guarantee of functionality, 12 month warranties and customer support will be provided if difficulties arise.
And as for the price. On kickstarter it will be $49AUD+P&H for the kit and your first refill. Refills will be $9 on kickstarter and each refill should produce between 1.5 - 2kg.
After kickstarter it will be $79AUD+P&H and the refills will be $19. These prices beat any and all competition that is out there. Most kits are between 20 - 40 dollars and will produce only .5 - 1kg. AND to top that off they are most definitely not guaranteed to work.
|This kit is guaranteed to work as promised, is cheaper in the long run and looks pretty haha.
Plus somewhere like Australia even storage tubs are not that cheap. If you go for a tub in tub set up here you would be looking at approximately 18 - 25 dollars for the tubs, 10 for the perlite, 20 for an air pump (or you have to be manually misting it all the time. Ain't nobody got time for that).
So right there you are looking at $55 for something that looks ugly and you have to assemble yourself.
If something like this had have been available when i started growing gourmetz I would have bought it like a flash
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Re: Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit [Re: Ace1928]
#19329393 - 12/26/13 03:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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i always teach privacy and stealth as number one. even oyster kits are suspect these days.
in 2003 , we had a false alarm hostage crisis here at my condo. i was full assaulted by a swat team. strict stealth, saved me..........
those things........ those things? are helping no one IMO. those things are literally leo lighthouses. only if ya hid a bong behind it, could it be more bait.
sell em as cute cat huts , and get rich, i consider the design , as is, sorta criminally negligent. pun absolutely intended.
even if the thing was invisible, i still take a dim view on kits.
oh , and if ya dont think of leo as a possible surprise guest, he may become your landlord..........
final note, if those things start showing up on the market, are you gonna do tech support? cuz the community really isnt able to support your design.
not trying to be mean... i just watch alot of shark tank.
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Edited by anne halonium (12/26/13 03:53 PM)
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Ace1928
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Re: Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit [Re: anne halonium]
#19329408 - 12/26/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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But none of it is illegal... So it is criminally nothing.
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Re: Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit [Re: anne halonium]
#19329489 - 12/26/13 04:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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anne halonium said: even oyster kits are suspect these days.
i never quote myself, but in this case its only proper.
the question is, wanna explain your cool neon oyster tower to the random donut eater?
this guy radios in, and gets probable cause.
then another one finds your bong friends bong , your holding for them behind the couch..... then like 6 more show up.
      and 2 detectives.( no icons)
you dont have a lawyer.
they are demanding entrance search or warrant in 5 minits.
WHAT ARE YOU HIDING!
they are questioning your GF now..........
im the type of gal, that doesnt have the time for such bullshit.
im sold if its a cat container though.
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Edited by anne halonium (12/26/13 04:27 PM)
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Re: Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit [Re: Ace1928]
#19329550 - 12/26/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ace1928 said: Why would you buy this rather than some $5 tubs? Because this is guaranteed to work and requires no ingenuity or set up from the user. It doesn't require perlite. It doesn't require the drilling of holes. It doesnt require polyfill. As "childish" as this prototype looks it is in fact the culmination of about 2.5 years work.
It's a monotub with a pump.....
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Ace1928 said: Yes built in FAE. A pump. A pump with enough FAE that even oyster mushrooms love it. And the FAE system provides the moisture and humidity as well. The whole system is built to work in synergy. Every part of the system is necessary for the other parts to function.
So it's a glorified monotub.....
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Ace1928 said: And the size of the system is enough to produce about 1.5 - 2kg over 3 flushes. That has also been verified earlier with much worse looking prototypes.
This would all depends on your genetics and moisture content.......
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Ace1928 said: As for the people here who don't like it. What could be done to make it more appealing to you? I'm completely open to suggestions as to how to improve it all. And remember. It is completely 100% functional so if that is all you are worried about then don't. All of the kits will come with a guarantee of functionality, 12 month warranties and customer support will be provided if difficulties arise.
By functionality I meant does it produce good enough to be worth it....not how the parts function.....
If I get shitty yields because the pump dried out my substrate is that covered under the warranty?
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Ace1928 said: And as for the price. On kickstarter it will be $49AUD+P&H for the kit and your first refill. Refills will be $9 on kickstarter and each refill should produce between 1.5 - 2kg.
After kickstarter it will be $79AUD+P&H and the refills will be $19. These prices beat any and all competition that is out there. Most kits are between 20 - 40 dollars and will produce only .5 - 1kg. AND to top that off they are most definitely not guaranteed to work.
What does a refill consist of?
Again, not trying to be mean here, but it just sounds like you are trying to over complicate things.....There is no need for an air pump for bulk substrate...monotubs are already set and forget with no misting required.....I still do not see how this is any better than what we currently have....it just sounds like the same contraption that gets brought up here everyday by noobs....hooking up pumps where they don't need to be.
Please take no offense....this is just my opinion.....but I think if you focused more on the basics and less on aesthetics you would be golden.
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Re: Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit [Re: anne halonium]
#19329561 - 12/26/13 04:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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this is a grower of question, presenting a bounce house for boomers, and the weakest tech support possible. and , with profit motive.
if anyone should be offended , its the community.
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Edited by anne halonium (12/26/13 04:33 PM)
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Ace1928
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Re: Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit [Re: anne halonium]
#19329595 - 12/26/13 04:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Im not taking any offense at all. I want the feedback that you are giving Yes its a glorified monotub. The pumps don't dry out the substrate because the air coming through the system is saturated with moisture. Yes you guys can easily make a monotub etc but what about all the other folk out there who have no idea where to even start?
This is not aimed at people who are ingenious and good at DIY. Not aimed at people who are very good at their mycology. This is aimed for the people out there who would love a way to recycle their waste paper products, for people who love mushrooms but don't have the time to invest into doing it all from scratch. For people who want something that looks nice and can sit on their kitchen bench pumping out mushrooms without it being some storage tubs.
A refill is essentially your species of choice in a cylindrical package that you put into the middle of the colonising chamber to start your next grow. It is the spawn that is pre colonised and contam free.
AS for the legality things if you have nothing illegal in your house than let the cops come say gday. Plus once it is a proper branded product then there will NOT be probable cause. That would be like saying "Hey look at that fungi perfecti oyster mushrooom kit on the table. Obviously drugs"
yes cops are stupid. but they wont waste their time like that on a product that is OBVIOUSLY not for those reasons. But i do understand the cause of the paranoia
And so far results have been as good as any monotub or SGFC that I have seen on here.
Please keep firing questions, suggestions, comments etc. No offense will be taken at all. It gives me more to focus on and helps me figure out ways to fix it up.
Cheers all
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Re: Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit [Re: Ace1928]
#19329632 - 12/26/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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good luck selling that bucket
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Re: Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit [Re: Psilosopherr]
#19329637 - 12/26/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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i like the kits wallmart sells
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Re: Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit [Re: Psilosopherr]
#19329640 - 12/26/13 04:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks. I hope I do well as well. Would be nice to be able to spread the love of mushrooms worldwide. Make it as easy and accessible as gardening
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Re: Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit [Re: Ace1928]
#19329660 - 12/26/13 04:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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sounds good. in theory.
even in a halcyon hipster subrurbia dream, your tek support, is gonna be a legendary nightmare.
annie folds on this one, im out. i cant endorse it. nothing personal.
annie always stands for , modern lab equip, good training, and solid /safe / secure grows.
(shhhhhhh..... im doing you a favor here because i dont like it, at least 10 peeps will endorse it , for a chance to insult me somehow.........watch)
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Edited by anne halonium (12/26/13 04:57 PM)
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Ace1928
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Re: Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit [Re: anne halonium]
#19329682 - 12/26/13 05:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Haha i don't mind if you support it or not. I know there will be plenty of people who do not support the idea. But I'm certain there will be plenty who do as well.
I still appreciate the comments as it does give me additional stuff to think about and all feedback is good feedback if you use it well.
I love the idea of growing things right from scratch too. Following all of the proper procedure but this kit isn't for that. It's for the people who don't have the time or willingness to learn the art of growing mushrooms. Rather than let them miss out I wish to provide a product that is easy to use and has good results so that anyone can grow mushrooms
Call it a wild dream or whatever but I'm positive if i can make something that ticks enough boxes of enough people it will be successful and my dream of easy access mushroom growing will finally start coming into reality
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Re: Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit [Re: Ace1928]
#19330088 - 12/26/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ace1928
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Re: Self regulated Colonisation and Fruiting Chamber Kit [Re: Aero]
#19331539 - 12/27/13 02:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Aero said:

Thanks for the vote of confidence
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