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What would 800µg be like?
    #19327702 - 12/26/13 05:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So, I have roughly 1200µg of acid.  Most acid I've ever done at once was 5 hits.  Not quite sure on the potency of the 5 hits however.  It was street acid, but real acid none the less.  Anywho, the blotters I have are confirmed to be real LSD and within 10µg of 200µg, up or down. 

Has anyone here ever done an 800µg trip?  For me that'll be 4 hits each.  I'm almost positive I can handle it.  I've always been an extremely high doser with anything I've done.  Especially the first time.  Granted not so much with acid... However with shrooms; I took 8grams my first time.  All at once; boy was that insane!  It was an awfully bad trip too.  But I managed to keep my shit.  I've gotten a lot of experience since then as well.

Anywho, back on topic.  I've done acid numerous amounts of times though, about once a month.  Twice a month if it's offered to me and I don't go out of my way to buy it.  Every time I've inched up the dose.  First time ever, I started off with 2 tabs (unknown µg level), then kept inching my way up and leveled out at 5.  Highest µg dose that I KNOW of, would be about..  600µg-ish?  Anywho, just asking what 800µg would be like!  I really want to become one with myself, and experience the beautiful weather outside, on this rare occasion!


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Re: What would 800µg be like? [Re: ZippyDoozy]
    #19327800 - 12/26/13 07:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Here you go:

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20 mics- threshold, and some people see visuals, some dont. I personally do very easily.

30 mics- threshold, same

40 mics- obviously tripping a little bit but again, some people wouldnt see visuals.

60 mics- = The typical low quality blotter. Tripping, but in my opinion nothing like even one gram of shrooms. It makes for a good time though. Lasts longer than a gram of shrooms.

90 mics- This is where it starts getting weird, because it is most certainly more intense for some people than a gram of mushrooms.

110 mics- like a gram and a half of mushrooms. A hit of some really good lsd.

150 mics-For alot of people this is quite amazing and intense. Obvious and interesting for anyone who is not a vegetable.
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(incraments I mention will stay the same but the effects of upping it 50 mics becomes more intense than above the line.

200 mics- equal to about an 8th of mushrooms, (or more for some people).

250 mics- scares the living daylights out of some people, yet some people handle it really well, much like an 8th of mushrooms. This is the dose at which I have witnessed someone become very confused. He could "see" but he didnt know where he was(in his best friends driveway). When the comedown started, he was fine, and he became a rockstar. It was one of the best experiences of his life. (thats what I get for tripping with people around for the first time in a long while) Me and one friend had to talk this guy down for about a half hour.

300 mics- your getting into heavy territory. Still not considered by most to be a heavy dose, but thats only because they know where most people including themselves draw the line if they are experienced. Its alot like 250 mics though.

400 mics- most people would never take this much unless they knew the acid they have in their possesion and really wanted to get pretty far out there.
This is why you dont see 200+ mic hits around.

500 mics- pretty much where even some of the most experienced people draw the line. Your vision is almost completely enveloped by fractal patterns, and if you were to stare at some pavement or something, it looks like you can see to the end of eternity. Miles and miles of visual depth.

700 mics- most people who talk of taking a ten strip usually dont have very potent acid(though it is good), so 550 to 700 is where they end up. This is also where "more acid" becomes less important because the effects are very similar to an even higher dose.

1000 mics- Most people will never go there. If you had a "two hits and you are floored" type of lsd, or 100 mics and up hits, this is where a ten strip would put you. You basically cant see anything but visuals, your mind as a whole is infinately connected with its self and your external environment. Amazing things happen on this dose no matter what. It would scare most people shitless. Some people will think they are dieing. Many would end up dialing 911 if they were alone and could read the numbers on the phone.

1500 mics- is almost exactly like 1700 mics. 1700 mics being the most I have ever done. Very few people have used this much lsd.
It is VERY psychologically dangerous for some people to do this. You can no longer really see your own hand in front of your face. Your cognition and vision are both bathed in the same light. Some people forget to breath frequently, and id imagine alot of people would pass out. You will loose your ego, but you will meet many organizers of human cognition in this egoless place. They are much smarter than human beings. "they" *are self conscious neurology.
They are the mathematicians behind consciousness and even the visuals themselves.
A dose 700 mics and above will show anyone some very profound things. Doses like 500 mics and above have changed many lives in both positive and negative ways. Still, it is no more threatening than mushrooms. So dont get me wrong.




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Re: What would 800µg be like? [Re: Into The Woods]
    #19327816 - 12/26/13 07:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

How much would one need for a lethal dose? Not stop breathing, but from the lsd itslef?


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Re: What would 800µg be like? [Re: Icyus]
    #19327856 - 12/26/13 07:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well, people have taken thumbprints,  which is thousands of doses and they've not died.

There's only ever been one reported death from LSD when a man who also happened to be a junkie injected 320,000mcg and even his death can't be ruled as a direct cause of LSD because he had other drugs in his system.

There is a LD50 for animals, but humans are a completely different matter all together. Nobody knows what, or even if, there is a LD50 for LSD in humans and if there is, it's quite likely more than you'd ever see in your lifetime.

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The toxicity of LSD has been determined in various animal species. A standard for the toxicity of a substance is the LD50, or the median lethal dose, that is, the dose with which 50 percent of the treated animals die. In general it fluctuates broadly, according to the animal species, and so it is with LSD. The LD50 for the mouse amounts to 50-60 mg/kg. i.v. (that is, 50 to 60 thousandths of a gram of LSD per kilogram of animal weight upon injection of an LSD solution into the veins). In the rat the LD50 drops to 16.5 mg/kg, and in rabbits to 0.3 mg/kg. One elephant given 0.297 g of LSD died after a few minutes. The weight of this animal was determined to be 5,000 kg, which corresponds to a lethal dose of 0.06 mg/kg (0.06 thousandths of a gram per kilogram of body weight). Because this involves only a single case, this value cannot be generalized, but we can at least deduce from it that the largest land animal reacts proportionally very sensitively to LSD, since the lethal dose in elephants must be some 1,000 times lower than in the mouse. Most animals die from a lethal dose of LSD by respiratory arrest.

The minute doses that cause death in animal experiments may give the impression that LSD is a very toxic substance. However, if one compares the lethal dose in animals with the effective dose in human beings, which is 0.0003-0.001 mg/kg (0.0003 to 0.001 thousandths of a gram per kilogram of body weight), this shows an extraordinarily low toxicity for LSD. Only a 300- to 600-fold overdose of LSD, compared to the lethal dose in rabbits, or fully a 50,000- to 100,000fold overdose, in comparison to the toxicity in the mouse, would have fatal results in human beings. These comparisons of relative toxicity are, to be sure, only understandable as estimates of orders of magnitude, for the determination of the therapeutic index (that is, the ratio between the effective and the lethal dose) is only meaningful within a given species. Such a procedure is not possible in this case because the lethal dose of LSD for humans is not known. To my knowledge, there have not as yet occurred any casualties that are a direct consequence of LSD poisoning. Numerous episodes of fatal consequences attributed to LSD ingestion have indeed been recorded, but these were accidents, even suicides, that may be attributed to the mentally disoriented condition of LSD intoxication. The danger of LSD lies not in its toxicity, but rather in the unpredictability of its psychic effects.




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LD-50's for animals mean nothing when talking about LSD.
As my professor Dr. David Nichols(www.heffter.org.) said they are completly worthless. The neurological differences between different animal species and humans makes testing LSD on animals unreliable. A mouse can consume a amount of LSD that will kill an elephant. Also it seems that some of these studies were done giving the LSD by IV. By giving LSD IV you then have to calculate what that amount is in terms of an oral dosage because taking 5mg. by injection is vastly different than 5mg. oraly in bioavailability.

As Dr. Hoffman says we just don't know the LD-50 of LSD in humans.
I don't see how we ever will. The one person to die from shooting LSD IV'd 320,000 mcg. ,this is the equivelent of many grams orally. His case can't be considered though becuase he was a junkie and possibly had other drugs in his system.

Also the case about the elephant. The elephant had recieved many different drugs over its life as a test animal. Including a dose of amphetamine some hours before the LSD dose and a massive dose of thorazine after the LSD dose. 




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Re: What would 800µg be like? [Re: Into The Woods]
    #19327901 - 12/26/13 08:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Just got to pick some strawberries and sprinkle a couple tablespoons worth of lsd on them, right? I wonder what it would taste in such enourmous quantities.. maybe make a vanillasauce for the berries too? Now that is a worthy last meal..

A couple tablespoons lsd... must be worth kingdoms..Maybe we could make a statue of pure lsd crystal? Carved...? Like ten feet tall.. and people would go see the statue and its presence would make them fall to the ground in worship..


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Re: What would 800µg be like? [Re: Icyus]
    #19327922 - 12/26/13 08:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Lol

Even then you might still be okay physically, unless you gave yourself a heart attack or something. Nobody knows, really.

You'd never be the same again, though. You'd probably completely re-wire your brain, so to speak.

"Worth kingdoms", that's a fun way of putting it. :lol:

And from all the stories I've read on thumbprints, it would be almost tasteless except for a kind of metallic sensation, like licking a spoon.


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Re: What would 800µg be like? [Re: Into The Woods]
    #19327925 - 12/26/13 08:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

LOL an LSD statue


People come by land, air and sea from all over the world just to kneel before it and lick it, hahaha


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Re: What would 800µg be like? [Re: Into The Woods]
    #19327951 - 12/26/13 08:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Just looking at it would sent them flying..


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Re: What would 800µg be like? [Re: Icyus]
    #19328217 - 12/26/13 10:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

800ug is gonna be pretty fucking nutty.  You're probably gonna be seeing a lot of things that aren't there, like elves behind trees or exploding rainbow bombs in the sky which crazy detail.  Anything can happen on LSD, and taking a high dose is what's up.  Lucy will pull behind the curtains of reality and she'll gently guide through it all.


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Re: What would 800µg be like? [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #19328279 - 12/26/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

My preferred dosage range is 600+, I generally eat a 10 strip the first time out on a new batch and adjust from there. As Into the Woods noted doses can be laid anything from a ten strip is a true mg, to a ten strip is a half mg...

At 800ug you are going to have a very notable ride. At times you will not be able to see the world for the visuals. You may find yourself sitting in one place, vacant from your mind, at one with all that is. You might find yourself losing all thought staring at the carpet, some grass, your ceiling or anything else that catches your eye.

For me, I tend not to thought loop at higher doses but I have known of those who can get into terrible looping on higher doses. So it is individual.

Out of body experiences, ego death, being one with the light of the first bardo, immense mental plays, drastic morphing and melting, all very possible at that dose.

For me there is simply nothing like eating a 10-15 strip of good lucy. I am sure there are those who dislike the thought, but for me McKenna said it best when he advised avoiding psychedelic diddling. If I am to open the doors of my mind I want them blown off the hinges and I am not looking back.

Into The Woods post about doses is a very good generalization. And indeed after a certain point the trip does not change too fundamentally, though it changes a bit based on the person (650-1200 or so). And then at around 1400-1500 it suddenly changes drastically. Thumbprints and large puddles are a whole different beast. I have only done one thumbprint to date but am planning another this summer. I have puddled (25+) more times than I can count.

Into The Woods is right in saying that 800 or so can be terrifying to some people. I used to get it in my head that I ate too much LSD and was not going to come down on high doses. Sometimes I would be afraid I was going to die.

Make sure you are ready for it. Make sure you want to experience it. Then eat those bad boys.


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Re: What would 800µg be like? [Re: Into The Woods]
    #19328435 - 12/26/13 11:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Here you go:

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1500 mics- i You will loose your ego, but you will meet many organizers of human cognition in this egoless place. They are much smarter than human beings. "they" *are self conscious neurology.
They are the mathematicians behind consciousness and even the visuals themselves.




LSD Dosage Effects By Microgram :peace:




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Re: What would 800µg be like? [Re: Lucid Toast]
    #19328473 - 12/26/13 11:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:brainondrugs:


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Re: What would 800µg be like? [Re: Into The Woods]
    #19328494 - 12/26/13 11:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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60 mics- = The typical low quality blotter. Tripping, but in my opinion nothing like even one gram of shrooms. It makes for a good time though. Lasts longer than a gram of shrooms.

90 mics- This is where it starts getting weird, because it is most certainly more intense for some people than a gram of mushrooms.

110 mics- like a gram and a half of mushrooms. A hit of some really good lsd



60ug is definitely at least as strong as an average gram of cubensis, and 110ug is more than 1.5G's worth in intensity I'd think?


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Re: What would 800µg be like? [Re: Sheekle]
    #19328548 - 12/26/13 12:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for all the posts guys! They were all extremely helpful and right on point with what I was looking to get out of this thread!  I've decided I'll either be taking 4 (800µg) or 5 and just knock it up to an even 1000µg.  That'll give me one tab left over to give to a friend!  I can't wait 'till the perfect day comes along!  Where I'm at, I should be getting some decent weather by tomorrow.  All the way up until Tuesday at the latest.  60degree weather, minimal clouds! WOOHOO!  Right now it's just flat out freezing though. :frown:


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Re: What would 800µg be like? [Re: Sheekle]
    #19328553 - 12/26/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Sheeks, what you just said about 110ug was the same thing, haha.

I think the comparison between 60mcg and a gram of mushrooms depends more on the individual and the potency of the mushrooms.
Although personally, I'd say there's not much of a difference to be noted as they're both very low doses and only produce effects slightly above the threshold in most people.



And for the record, I was quoting from the thread that I also linked at the bottom of that post, so those are not my words, but they do paint a good picture of the dose/effects range, which is why I posted it. Somebody else went to the trouble of explaining and typing that out and I don't take credit for it, I shared it here because it's good information. :smile:


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Re: What would 800µg be like? [Re: ZippyDoozy]
    #19328561 - 12/26/13 12:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Thanks for all the posts guys! They were all extremely helpful and right on point with what I was looking to get out of this thread!  I've decided I'll either be taking 4 (800µg) or 5 and just knock it up to an even 1000µg.  That'll give me one tab left over to give to a friend!  I can't wait 'till the perfect day comes along!  Where I'm at, I should be getting some decent weather by tomorrow.  All the way up until Tuesday at the latest.  60degree weather, minimal clouds! WOOHOO!  Right now it's just flat out freezing though. :frown:




Glad to be of help!

You're gonna' be in for quite a ride! :tripping:


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Re: What would 800µg be like? [Re: Darkenshroom]
    #19328581 - 12/26/13 12:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I have only done one thumbprint to date but am planning another this summer. I have puddled (25+) more times than I can count.




Did you write a trip report about your thumbprint dose? I'd be very interested to read it!


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    #19328613 - 12/26/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I would love to hear what Darken has to tell, perhaps he could give The Thumbprint thread one of the best bumps in years with his personal experience and thoughts :grin:


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Re: What would 800µg be like? [Re: Into The Woods]
    #19328875 - 12/26/13 01:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Darken Rahl is killing children again...


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Re: What would 800µg be like? [Re: Into The Woods]
    #19331194 - 12/26/13 11:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I would love to hear what Darken has to tell, perhaps he could give The Thumbprint thread one of the best bumps in years with his personal experience and thoughts :grin:




Ohhh that'd be nice!  I loved reading Chinacats story(s) about his thumbprint dose!


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