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Mushmitch
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No PC Rye lime soak.. UPDATED 1/18/14 1
#19327591 - 12/26/13 03:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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12/26/13!
So I saw somewhere the idea of soaking rye in lime and it got me thinkin if we could get the RYE GRAIN hydrated with high ph water could it stand up to contams
Plan is to use yellow oyster rye spawn
so I am trying out a sawdust lime soak, coffee lime soak and rye soak. gonna see what I can come up with ..
If anyone has any links or info to add on this pls do...
so I soaked coffee grounds for 24 hrs then pressed till field capacity. spawned 4 quarts to about 30 lbs of coffee.
I then accidentally spilled half of the contents on the ground for an out door experiment.
I picked up what I could and put it in a old dirty flower pot....  so I was left with 15 lbs of coffee in a fabric like bag and I have it sitting and colonizing.
Now I'm soaking only a few cups of rye grain in a very high ph water. I am going to soak it for about 17-24 hrs. Then boil till hydrated, let cool and G2G with yellow oyster.
Also trying rye seed tonight just boiling in lime water then cooling and spawn. Will post with results and pics.

first we have the rye grain... then the rye seed.
soaked and boiled/drained. spawned with yellow oyster tonight only boiled/drained spawned 1 qt Yellow oyster to 3 jars
So here is my update..12/29/13
 
This is rye grain and seed only soaked/boiled in lime water. and coffee only soaked in lime water.. 3 DAYS OLD
The mycelium I used for these was partially fermented so I would expect better results..
Although I used a lot of spawn to this coffee 4Quarts to about 20 Quarts. This seems promising.
1/2/13 UPDATE
 Sorry bad pic but mycelium has moved through the jar but is wispy due to too much moisture. Rye grain seemed to stall going to try a again with lower ph.
Lime on coffee seemed to hold back cobweb and green mold long enough to colonize, will update if and when fruits. . Still no contams on rye grain or seed.. going to try drying better after boil... doin new batch now
1/4/13
 Mycelium has moved through the jar but is too wet. No contams even tho it may look like it 

Here is the new rye seed. I allowed this to sit in open air after boiling/straining for 24 hours to let it dry then I put it on a paper towel to absorb extra moisture. I inoculated with same oyster spawn. And here is a pic of the fruits from this mycelium . NOT FRUITS FROM EXPERIMENT.
UPDATE:1/8

only one jar showing growth so far.
Looks to be a success!!!!1/16

 These pics were from 3 days ago. I'm gonna spawn to bag of straw!!
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Edited by Mushmitch (01/18/14 03:21 PM)
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Looking forward to your updates on how your experiment progresses.
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Re: Rye lime soak.. [Re: MObeek]
#19328087 - 12/26/13 09:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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What will you do after the soak?
Just put them in bags or in jars without pc?
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Re: Rye lime soak.. [Re: Ganzig]
#19330212 - 12/26/13 07:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's what I'm curious about... are you planning on using this as an alternative to PC sterilization of grain spawn?
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A hydrated Lime soak (high ph 'pasteurization')is great for bulk substrates.
Sterilize your grain spawn.
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uncle_rico said: A hydrated Lime soak (high ph 'pasteurization')is great for bulk substrates.
Sterilize your grain spawn.
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Just sterilize when it comes to spawn... Sterilized substrate colonizes multiple times faster and more aggressively.
I did some cross comparison testing... Making fresh cut sawdust (From a cut log a few feet long and aged a month), spawning it in a quart jar with pearl spawn... No sterilization. No contamination, but the stuff takes AGES to thicken up. Not even sure it will thicken up properly!
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ok enough with your just use a PC and sterilize crap...
the point is to skip some steps because some people don't have access to utilities where I live, we need to grow mushrooms naturally..
so yes plan is soak for 24 hours in 9+ ph water then boil in ph water till hydrated put in jars to cool and inoculate..
it just any experiment so if you don't have anything to add besides DONT DO IT then please move on.
im doing this with sawdust and coffee today soak time is going to be 8 hours first.
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loggrower said: Sterilized substrate colonizes multiple times faster and more aggressively.
Strange. I have experienced the exact opposite of this. It may be true of grains. 
What do you grow loggrower?
Pasteurizing increases colonizing times for me. Back in the day when I was playing with coffee grounds the sterilized grounds went at a snails pace to colonize but the pasteurized coffee would colonize really quickly.
Pretty sure that is always true. I have a less then 5% contam rate and I make a lot of straw bags for my business. Every week I go through about half a bail of straw. Never sterilized. My fastest colonization time so far has been 3 days.
I would like to see what you come up with OP.
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Re: Rye lime soak.. [Re: Ganzig]
#19333172 - 12/27/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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there is a ''eco'' wood treatment called PLATO (here in holland in the city Arnhem they use it), wich mainly consists of using huge (think truck size) autoclaves to pressurcook the wood for a long time, i think a few days, so that the polysaccharides ''carammelize'' and will be harder for fungi to digest, also the wood will not take up more that 18% moisture (if i remember correctly), wich will prevent molding or bacterial growth.
this could be true to a (very) small extent for pressurecooking sawdust/wood chips.
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Re: Rye lime soak.. [Re: forrest]
#19333372 - 12/27/13 03:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Rye lime soak.. [Re: forrest]
#19333575 - 12/27/13 04:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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forrest said: there is a ''eco'' wood treatment called PLATO (here in holland in the city Arnhem they use it), wich mainly consists of using huge (think truck size) autoclaves to pressurcook the wood for a long time, i think a few days, so that the polysaccharides ''carammelize'' and will be harder for fungi to digest, also the wood will not take up more that 18% moisture (if i remember correctly), wich will prevent molding or bacterial growth.
this could be true to a (very) small extent for pressurecooking sawdust/wood chips.
very interesting!
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Re: Rye lime soak.. [Re: drake89]
#19333577 - 12/27/13 04:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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why hydrated lyme and not pulverized lime?
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Re: Rye lime soak.. [Re: 404]
#19333619 - 12/27/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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StateOfMind404 said: why hydrated lyme and not pulverized lime?
they are different chemicals.
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Re: Rye lime soak.. [Re: drake89]
#19333997 - 12/27/13 06:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yep, if you over sterilize colonization will be slow. Quarts for 50 minutes at 15.5PSI does the job perfectly.
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loggrower said: Sterilized substrate colonizes multiple times faster and more aggressively.
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loggrower said: Yep, if you over sterilize colonization will be slow. Quarts for 50 minutes at 15.5PSI does the job perfectly.
You confound me sir.
Also, using a large 41.5 quart all american filled with 15 quart jars will not be sterile after 50mins. You need 90 mins.
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Re: Rye lime soak.. [Re: drake89]
#19334241 - 12/27/13 07:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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drake89 said:
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StateOfMind404 said: why hydrated lyme and not pulverized lime?
they are different chemicals.
yep, calcium hydroxide vs calcium carbonate.
so,
why calcium hydroxide and not calcium carbonate?
calcium carbonate (agricultural lime) increases ph, and if i'm thinking correctly, is why you use it in conjunction with coir because it is slightly acidic.
Calcium hydroxide is also a base, and used for the same purposes.
why one over the other? i have had good results with pulverized limestone
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Re: Rye lime soak.. [Re: 404]
#19334496 - 12/27/13 08:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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calcium carbonate is a weak base, calcium hydroxide is a strong base.
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Re: Rye lime soak.. [Re: Ganzig]
#19334843 - 12/27/13 10:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ganzig said:
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loggrower said: Sterilized substrate colonizes multiple times faster and more aggressively.
Strange. I have experienced the exact opposite of this. It may be true of grains. 
Gonna have to agree with Ganzig here. I thought it was pretty well known that supplemented substrates take longer to colonize/fruit than pasteurized, unsupplemented.
Now if you're just talking about grain spawn, yeah I could see it colonizing more quickly when it's not fighting off contamination from being only pasteurized. Is that what you meant LG?
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loggrower said: Sterilized substrate colonizes multiple times faster and more aggressively.
Strange. I have experienced the exact opposite of this. It may be true of grains. 
Gonna have to agree with Ganzig here. I thought it was pretty well known that supplemented substrates take longer to colonize/fruit than pasteurized, unsupplemented.
Now if you're just talking about grain spawn, yeah I could see it colonizing more quickly when it's not fighting off contamination from being only pasteurized. Is that what you meant LG?
This is not my experience. I have been able to harvest mushrooms as quick as 12 days (though it usually takes 20 days with most strains) from inoculation with oysters on supplemented sawdust. And on average I harvest lions mane 17 days after inoculation. I had never got these speeds when growing on pasteurized straw. For me usually 14-28 days colonizing on straw and 10 days fruiting them.
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Re: Rye lime soak.. [Re: Aleon] 1
#19336120 - 12/28/13 09:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Interesting!
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So, ya not cooking the media seems the best idea in my head.
so I soaked coffee grounds for 24 hrs then pressed till field capacity. spawned 4 quarts to about 30 lbs of coffee.
I then accidentally spilled half of the contents on the ground for an out door experiment. so I was left with 15 lbs of coffee in a fabric like bag and I have it sitting and colonizing.
Now I'm soaking only a few cups of rye grain in a very high ph water. I am going to soak it for about 17-24 hrs. Then boil till hydrated, let cool and G2G with yellow oyster.
Also trying rye seed tonight just boiling in lime water then cooling and spawn. Will post with results and pics.
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Interested to see results, I'm all for experimentation!
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I'll be waiting patiently.
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Re: Rye lime soak.. [Re: Neller]
#19344169 - 12/29/13 11:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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first we have the rye grain... then the rye seed.
soaked and boiled/drained. spawned with yellow oyster tonight only boiled/drained spawned 1 qt Yellow oyster to 3 jars
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UPDATED AT TOP
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Edited by Mushmitch (01/02/14 03:26 PM)
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Re: Rye lime soak.. [Re: Ganzig]
#19376005 - 01/06/14 06:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Rye lime soak.. [Re: Ganzig]
#19392856 - 01/09/14 09:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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so if i understand correctly the boiling rye with lime was sufficient for colonisation bij G2G? that would be pretty amazing
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Re: Rye lime soak.. [Re: forrest]
#19393024 - 01/09/14 10:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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YEA I know would be awesome. I'll put it this way my RYE GRAIN and SEED from the 27th of Dec has yet to grow any mould... I'm still waiting to watch this mycelium colonize this new rye seed batch. So we will see , but the fact that my jars haven't developed contamination gets me real excited... I think playing with the ph levels a bit might help kick start growth. but I see this as an additive to help keep contams at bay for a longer time.. Even in a smaller dose might be very useful
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Looks like bacterial contamination. Can you open a stalled jar and take a whiff and report back?
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No, its not stalled. Just whispy from too much moisture. Yea you can open and smell theres all sorts of spores and crap in there just not growing..
So I open and took in a big oyster smell so we are good to go.. Groundbreaking stuff, so the next rye seed jars are colonizing.
Will post pics tomorrow...
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Man, those two jars look stinky! You sure there's no bacterial contam? Any reason you made them so wet? Even when I pressure cooked my jars when they are that wet they almost always fail. Usually smells like dirty gym socks
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well the rye seed didn't drain as well as I hoped so they are too wet.. but once again just trust I smelled them and visual inspected and I know its mycelium.. and to point out that its not bact or mould... my other test jars from 2 weeks ago haven't shown any contams no cobweb or anything..
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Mushmitch said: well the rye seed didn't drain as well as I hoped so they are too wet.. but once again just trust I smelled them and visual inspected and I know its mycelium.. and to point out that its not bact or mould... my other test jars from 2 weeks ago haven't shown any contams no cobweb or anything..
not trying to poop on your party but...just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not there. in fact, when there's uncolonized grain it may be because a contam present.
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Re: Rye lime soak.. [Re: drake89]
#19395988 - 01/09/14 09:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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its cool, ya im aware but like I said its fully colonized JUST LITE and wispy from too much water..
ya I know I live in a jungle in a tropical paradise me and contams go way back.. like I said guys trust me or better yet try it your self you will see I works'
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What made the grain so wet? Is this something you can remedy in the future or is that just how rye seed is? I've only used rye berries. Did you drain it directly after the boil? I think I read that the main purpose of boiling is so the excess water will evaporate off the grain.
Thanks for sharing this outside of the norm experiment. You go girl!!!!
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Re: Rye lime soak.. [Re: Neller]
#19396953 - 01/10/14 01:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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well it was the RYE SEED that's too wet but I just let it sit on paper towels..
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UPDATED AT TOP.
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It would help us followers of your thread if you would include a date beside each update as there seems to be several at top and the timeline gets a bit lost.
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Re: Rye lime soak.. [Re: OICU812]
#19458435 - 01/22/14 04:20 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Any comments?
I just spawned to no pc'd rye seed and no one thinks that's awesome ??
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Dude for sure! That is awesome.
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Re: Rye lime soak.. [Re: Ganzig]
#19463656 - 01/23/14 05:21 PM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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Nice job. I'm all about cutting out unnecessary steps, if it'll work another way. You can get away with all kinds of things in the winter that you can't in the summer... so why not? Trich will eat your lunch in the summertime, so you have to do it by the book then... but while it's winter- experiment.
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Re: Rye lime soak.. [Re: curry]
#19466648 - 01/24/14 09:11 AM (10 years, 24 days ago) |
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Ground breaking stuff - thanks for doing the work and documenting so well!
It always surprises me on here when people say "just dont bother trying" to anyone with a new idea. If the result is positive then it will still need to be duplicated by many others to prove it's worth - the same should apply to a negative result.
When I get a few mins I will try a similar experiment with wheat grains. Hot alkaline solution at 12ph should kill a few things! Only issue will be working out how to drain in front of the hood.
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Re: Rye lime soak.. [Re: solarity]
#19467849 - 01/24/14 02:02 PM (10 years, 24 days ago) |
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solarity said: Ground breaking stuff - thanks for doing the work and documenting so well!
It always surprises me on here when people say "just dont bother trying" to anyone with a new idea. If the result is positive then it will still need to be duplicated by many others to prove it's worth - the same should apply to a negative result.
When I get a few mins I will try a similar experiment with wheat grains. Hot alkaline solution at 12ph should kill a few things! Only issue will be working out how to drain in front of the hood.
If the grains are soaked thoroughly, you may not have to do it in front of the hood.
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Re: Rye lime soak.. [Re: Aleon]
#19478919 - 01/26/14 09:04 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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So I thought I would give this a go since I have no lab and hood is packed away. I used white millet as my grain.
First I soaked the millet for 24 hours in tap water only(1-24)
Dry weight was 2419g
I then drained and weighed it to get a sense of how much water this grain can take in(1-25)
3334.7g after soaking
It then sat in a container for a day because I was to busy yesterday to experiment. So today,(1-26) I did my cooking and inoculating.
-First I put the grains in the pot of water and filled it with 12ph water, about 6L. I let it sit and soak for 2 hours. After that time I checked the ph of the water. It had dropped down to 8.5. I would assume the grain was slightly acidic from soaking and sitting for a day. I then added 4g hydrated lime and 16g gypsum and brought the ph back up to 12.5. I then heated the pot to a boil, reduced the heat and simmered for 10 minutes.

I then drained for about 10 minutes

Then spread out on a sheet tray lined with paper towels to cool and dry.

This bag is 1000g of the cooked millet and 100g of F.F's Dove Grey spawn that was made 2-13 of last year.

I filled a large filter patch bag with 1950g millet and 500g rye. Also just for fun I filled another small filter bag with 694g millet and dropped a chopped agar dish. The culture was a T3 Dove Grey made 12/30/2012(yes that old)
If I had younger spawn or cultures I would certainly of used them, but I don't. I figured if I get any results from this it will be that much more amazing. But I'm not that hopeful. Open air grain to grain, and agar to grain cant be this easy or people would be doing it. But worth a shot since I've got nothing else to do right now.
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Re: No PC Rye lime soak.. UPDATED 1/18/14 [Re: Mushmitch]
#19484861 - 01/28/14 05:41 AM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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Looks to be a success!!!!1/16

 These pics were from 3 days ago. I'm gonna spawn to bag of straw!!
That's some major bacteria contamination. I wouldn't declare success.
Also, if you're going to update a thread, do so at the end of the thread, not the start. If a thread is five or six pages long, we only want to open the last page to follow. RR
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Re: No PC Rye lime soak.. UPDATED 1/18/14 [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19517960 - 02/03/14 08:59 PM (10 years, 14 days ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19517944/vc/1#19517944 Updated pictures of the millet bags. The one with the agar wedge contaminated, the other two are fully colonized without viable contamination.
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Re: No PC Rye lime soak.. UPDATED 1/18/14 [Re: chefinainteasy]
#19518210 - 02/03/14 09:52 PM (10 years, 14 days ago) |
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This is a great idea MM. I have been playing around with lime soaking grains before PCing to help fight contams and have seemed to have good success. I'm gonna try this with some red milo and spawn it with an extra Enoki jar I have left from an LC test.
BTW, if that's the Yellow Oyster culture you got from me, they are Pearls not Yellows. The Blue Oyster culture I got from the same guy was mislabeled too, it turned out to be King Oysters. I'll post pics in a bit, once I re-up my Supporter status so I can post pics again.
Edited by ghiajake (02/03/14 10:04 PM)
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Re: No PC Rye lime soak.. UPDATED 1/18/14 [Re: ghiajake]
#19518314 - 02/03/14 10:13 PM (10 years, 14 days ago) |
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Here's those pics. The last one is of the Kings that were supposed to be Blues.
   
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Re: No PC Rye lime soak.. UPDATED 1/18/14 [Re: ghiajake]
#19520146 - 02/04/14 12:11 PM (10 years, 13 days ago) |
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ghiajake said: Here's those pics. The last one is of the Kings that were supposed to be Blues.
    
What species is that pale oyster? They look like they have a depression on top. Is it Pleurotus cornucopiae?
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Re: No PC Rye lime soak.. UPDATED 1/18/14 [Re: lipa]
#19521067 - 02/04/14 03:44 PM (10 years, 13 days ago) |
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lipa said: What species is that pale oyster? They look like they have a depression on top. Is it Pleurotus cornucopiae?
To be honest lipa, I'm not sure. They were supposed to have been P. citripileatus, but definitely are not. They seemed to grow better in colder temps. The top-fruited ones were fruited at 55-60F, and the side-fruited ones were done at 70F. I did pick the side-fruited ones early because my ultrasonic crapped out. I am assuming the are Pearls, but definitely could use help in ID'ing them. I know for a fact the what was supposed to have been the Blue Oyster culture is in fact King Oyster.
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Re: No PC Rye lime soak.. UPDATED 1/18/14 [Re: ghiajake]
#19521461 - 02/04/14 05:03 PM (10 years, 13 days ago) |
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1st and 3rd pic looks exactly like Pseudo Hyp. Ulm. to me. 2nd and 4th pics are what I would assume it would look like if picked too late.
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Re: No PC Rye lime soak.. UPDATED 1/18/14 [Re: solarity]
#19521525 - 02/04/14 05:16 PM (10 years, 13 days ago) |
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That's what I though, but everything I read stated that the pseudo Hyp Ulm was most-likely Pearl Oyster. These are obviously not true Hyp Ulm.
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Re: No PC Rye lime soak.. UPDATED 1/18/14 [Re: ghiajake]
#19524469 - 02/05/14 09:54 AM (10 years, 12 days ago) |
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There is a whole other thread on this but I can confirm that (pseudo) HU is not Pleur. Ost. Huge difference in tolerance for light and CO2, also different taste, texture and shelf life. Having said that "Pearl Oyster" is a perfectly good name for it!
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Re: No PC Rye lime soak.. UPDATED 1/18/14 [Re: solarity]
#19525539 - 02/05/14 01:46 PM (10 years, 12 days ago) |
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Either way, I wasn't too upset about the mix up of cultures. I didn't have any like these yet. The supposed Blues were a little more upsetting because I already have an Aloha strain of Kings, but I haven't successfully fruited those yet. I have a dish of verified Blues on its way, so no biggie. Just have to get some real Yellows before spring.
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Re: No PC Rye lime soak.. UPDATED 1/18/14 [Re: ghiajake]
#19553782 - 02/11/14 06:18 PM (10 years, 6 days ago) |
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Pretty cool stuff! I wonder if it's bacterial fermentation dropping the ph leading way for the mycelium to take over.
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Re: No PC Rye lime soak.. UPDATED 1/18/14 [Re: cmspice]
#19553911 - 02/11/14 06:44 PM (10 years, 6 days ago) |
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That's what I suspect. There is another post by Mycelo using that very process. Im starting another batch now. Just spawned the last batch to bulk and things are moving along well!
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Re: No PC Rye lime soak.. UPDATED 1/18/14 [Re: chefinainteasy]
#19558010 - 02/12/14 04:21 PM (10 years, 5 days ago) |
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Pretty awesome! I'm going to have to try this. Perfect time too because I just ran out of my puny self healing injection port jars.
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Re: No PC Rye lime soak.. UPDATED 1/18/14 [Re: cmspice]
#19650205 - 03/04/14 01:43 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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thanks everyone for helping this idea along and experimenting.. it works for me with (pearl oysters) will update sometime with perfected tek and results from inoculation till fruit..
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Re: No PC Rye lime soak.. UPDATED 1/18/14 [Re: Mushmitch]
#19650984 - 03/04/14 04:23 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Glad others are having success as well. Here are three 6# bags of millet I made 2/13 of pohu oyster. They colonized about a week and a half ago so there in the fridge now until later this week. The last batch I made and spawned to bulk has fruited without contamination. I'm leery to try other species but so far this has proven successful.
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