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#19327321 - 12/25/13 11:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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In the past two weeks I've learned that one is better than the other...with one exception: alcohol affects and amplifies an emotional aspect whereas kratom is supra-emotioanl, or it doesn't seem to engage or amplify any emotional content.
I'm drinking some pinot noir now. I told the guy at the store I was interested in a wine where it's like a shade that goes into your mouth, with no impact to taste or palette, then it unfolds and it's flavor and complexity is absorbed through the mucous membrane and abstract enjoyment is attained. Then you get buzzed and later shit starts spinning. Pinot was the wrong choice. I think Argentinian and Chilean grapes deliver in this regard, but really who gives a fuck about mouthfeel? I guess lots of people, shit. It feels ok, pretty good.....but I realized after discovering kratom a few weeks ago that the alcohol buzz is garbage compared to kratom....with one exception:
Alcohol amplifies my emotions. I will laugh my ass off from alcohol and get excited or agitated or depressed in quick succession.(Not that this is always necessarily a good thing but I think more often than not it is.) On kratom I just am and it feels great. I also noticed kratom makes me hornay as fuck. Alcohol can have that effect but it does you no favors in the physiology department whereas kratom is a perfect aphrodisiac, even if it does make you a bit lazy.
TL;DR? Fuckin read. In short, kratom is better.
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Re: kratom vs alcohol [Re: Viveka]
#19327342 - 12/25/13 11:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I really want to get a kratom supply but it's not legal here in Australia 
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Re: kratom vs alcohol [Re: Viveka]
#19327348 - 12/26/13 12:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I find it really weird how Kratom makes you horny. It's the polar opposite for me.
During my honeymoon phase with Kratom, I was consuming 5-10gs on the daily for two straight months. My sex drive got diminished from day one to the point where getting an erection or even having a desire to do anything sexual became nearly impossible. Any time a sexual thought would enter my head, it wouldn't have the slightest impact on me, if you catch my drift. And trust me, I've also always been a horny mofo.
It's so weird how differently two people can experience the same drug.
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And yeah, Kratom is a billion times better than ethanol will ever be. The Kratom buzz provides a really pleasant and cozy body high where every single muscle in your body feels really relaxed and vibrates euphorically. I don't get any sort of body high when I'm drunk. Your mind also feels incredibly clear on Kratom whereas the alcohol buzz just makes you feel slow and stupid.
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One of the biggest reasons why I like Kratom is because I don't feel like drinking when I'm on it. Pretty awesome for someone like myself that gets pretty close to the line of becoming an alcoholic pretty often.
Everything else you said OP is spot on with how I feel when I take it.
It's weird to me how it makes me so damn horny as well. When I used to be addicted to traditional opiates my sex drive just wasn't there. Sex din't seem interesting enough for me since I was receiving enough good feels from the opiate.
Shit, even like a decade ago before I got addicted to oxy if I was fucked up randomly on an opiate I remember not being able to get it up while high. (Weird first date with my ex-fiance lol)
Well, I just took 10 grams of some green Malaysian. Gonna go smoke and watch a movie. 
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Re: kratom vs alcohol [Re: kr0nik0]
#19327439 - 12/26/13 12:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Kratom by a mile. Kratom is my non-trippy, functional version of weed. It takes away all negative feelings, physical or mental, and allows me to do just about whatever I need to get done without feeling fucked up in the process. It's like amphetamine minus the amphetamine (yet still with focus and a backwards euphoria).
But alcohol makes me extremely lazy... kratom doesn't make me lazy at all, in fact it does the opposite and gives me energy. Or it doesn't give me energy but it takes any lack of energy away. As far as sex drive, I don't notice any difference there I just feel better on kratom. So in a way it's probably increased, but not directly.
I fucking love kratom.
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I find it really weird how Kratom makes you horny. It's the polar opposite for me.
Given the stimulant side I'm not too surprised. Note that I have mainly used Maeng Da kratom, which is supposed to have more of a stimulating effect. And it's primarily the 4-6 gram range where I've noticed these effects. Most of my experiences have been 4-6 grams. Never dosed more than three days in a row. I think about four grams of good Maeng Da is a perfect aphrodisiac. Good balance of stimulation and euphoria. My dick gets hard readily and the climax delaying effects are at least twice as strong as cannabis.
The highest dose I've used is 7 grams and that was with bali. I noticed the aphrodisiac effect then but actually had some serious bouncing legs and some anxiety about five or six hours in. Never got that with Maeng Da. Though it might have been because I had some l-theanine that day.
Yeah kratom has made alcohol practically obsolete in my life. Downed a bottle of wine plus a glass on New Years while talking to a friend on the phone and just passed out on the couch at some point and woke up dehydrated with a headache. Fuckin' craptastic.
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Re: kratom vs alcohol [Re: Viveka]
#19368535 - 01/04/14 02:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've been doing kratom for close to 2 years on a multiple dose per day level. My sex drive is still there, but it takes me a long time to come. Which upset my girlfriend a while back.
I drink just as I normally would on kratom though and at one point I had a full on double addiction going. Thankfully, kratom completely annihilates hangovers.
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Re: kratom vs alcohol [Re: Viveka] 1
#19368568 - 01/04/14 02:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I hear kava is better than both.
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Re: kratom vs alcohol [Re: s240779] 1
#19368580 - 01/04/14 02:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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There is a kava bar pretty close to me. Might have to check this out
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I hate kava. It never gave me a good buzz, just a little dizzy and slightly loopy.
Ended with me breaking out in absurd hives that sent me to the hospital.
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Re: kratom vs alcohol [Re: Snotfish]
#19368596 - 01/04/14 02:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok, on second thought. I'll be avoiding this like the plague.
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Re: kratom vs alcohol [Re: Snotfish]
#19368601 - 01/04/14 02:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Amen brother! Kratom has been a savior in the past week, but I need to take a day break from it because I took 12g of Maeng Da last night, stayed up late, woke up early for work, took a tablespoon of Maeng Da (5g) along with a gram of UEI and for the first time kratom had a negative effect on me. It didn't alter my mood (possibly because I was still altered from last nights dose) and I am at work now feeling incredibly dizzy and tired.
Anyways, I came off Suboxone 17 days ago and after 9 days the withdrawals were still too much for me so I found kratom. It solved everything. Even another effect of me getting off of the Suboxone, me not being able to last more than (literally) 10 seconds during sex, was fixed with Kratom. I took it for a week straight consuming around 7g-15g of bali and maeng da per day. I was afraid that my body was dependant on it so I decided to not take it yesterday and I found that there were no withdrawal effects present and that my suboxone withdrawals had finished quietly while hiding behind the kratom. I felt fine the entire day and the only reason why I took it last night was because I was playing assassins creed and wanted some energy to stay up a little longer playing it which worked, but wasn't the greatest idea.
Anyways, I love Kratom and I've decided to not take any tomorrow so I can experience the full effects of the UEI.
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I'm on 5 MG a day of Suboxone currently. I started at 14, so 5 doesn't seem to bad. I see my doc on Friday, will probably go down to 4 MG, and continue a MG a month until I'm at zero. Perhaps I will invest in some kratom to help with any lingering WD symptoms.
And yes, if I'm in WD I cum upon entrance, so don't feel bad. I'm sure it will subside, and you'll be back to fucking like a porn star in no time
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Re: kratom vs alcohol [Re: Magicman69] 1
#19368629 - 01/04/14 02:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
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Ok, on second thought. I'll be avoiding this like the plague.
Kava has a good reputation. Shroomopotamus specifically recommended it above kratom. They have kaca ceremonies in indigenous cultures.
Dankfish probably used a cheap brand of kava. The quality is of particular importance with this herb. As an example, only the root is consumable; other parts of the plant contain toxins. This has been scientifically verified. Kava formulations that used more than the root were found to have caused liver damage. Beyond this issue, one wants to make sure that the product they use was extracted to allow a sufficient amount of actives to be in the end product.
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Re: kratom vs alcohol [Re: s240779]
#19368645 - 01/04/14 02:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Kava is a lot like a much mellower alcohol, kratoms just different (and also pretty mellow)
Awesome you've found kratom to be so useful (OP) but can you really compare them? Kratom is a much safer daily drug in terms of addiction potential and probably toxicity; closer to coffee and nicotine than even weed in level of impairment.
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Re: kratom vs alcohol [Re: pcplease]
#19368661 - 01/04/14 02:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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pcplease, when you say kava is a much mellower alcohol, do you mean kava is more powerful or less powerful? Haha.
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Re: kratom vs alcohol [Re: s240779]
#19368768 - 01/04/14 03:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It is a lot less powerful.
Chills you out like a couple drinks, doesn't send you into a firewheel like a bottle of bourbon.
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Re: kratom vs alcohol [Re: s240779]
#19368773 - 01/04/14 03:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Kava is weaker. Both work on the same area of your brain (as do benzos and GHB). Kava's euphoria "maxes out" (plateaus) at about the equivalent of 2 drinks IMO.
So if you're looking for a safer night-cap, or maybe something for anxiety (with less abuse potential than alcohol or benzos), Kava might be exactly what you're looking for.
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Re: kratom vs alcohol [Re: s240779]
#19368797 - 01/04/14 03:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Great reviews. Thanks.
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Quote:
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I'm on 5 MG a day of Suboxone currently. I started at 14, so 5 doesn't seem to bad. I see my doc on Friday, will probably go down to 4 MG, and continue a MG a month until I'm at zero. Perhaps I will invest in some kratom to help with any lingering WD symptoms.
And yes, if I'm in WD I cum upon entrance, so don't feel bad. I'm sure it will subside, and you'll be back to fucking like a porn star in no time
They started you at 14mg? That is ridiculous. Some doctors don't know shit. My last doctor started me at 16mg. After getting off of it I went straight back to dope. Wasn't truly ready to get clean yet. Even while I was on the subs I was still failing my drug tests for benzos every month, but all he cared about was getting the cash out of my pockets.
The doctor that did my suboxone treatment this time was a lot better and started me out at 8. The only problem I had was that he made me jump off at 2mg and refused to bring me down any loweer than that. Couldn't sleep, couldn't eat, shit my brains out multiple times a day, was freezing cold all the time with hot flashes in between, sweating constantly. Absolute hell until I found Kratom 10 days later.
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I love kratom and prefer the effects of it to alcohol. However, I find it's not really that social of a drug. With weed you can sit around and pass the pipe/joint/bong around with your buddies. With alcohol you can sit in a pub and casually drink pints and watch a game all evening with your buddies. With kratom you can.... sit on your couch and mung out. It's not a very social drug and lacks the typical social ritual that other drugs have. I still love it though.
The one (major) downside of kratom for me is that I can't shit! WTF is up with that? This happens to my friends that use it as well. It can get so bad that I absolutely have to stop for 2-4 days to get everything back in working order. Maybe this is a good thing; it stops me from liking it too much and losing the magic. I sure hope the authorities don't step in and make it illegal in Canada.
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Re: kratom vs alcohol [Re: pslyke]
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What size doses are you taking and with what frequency that are causing you to not shit for long periods? I've stayed perfectly regular using 4-7 gram doses, only once a day, no more than three days in a row.
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Re: kratom vs alcohol [Re: Viveka]
#19370596 - 01/04/14 10:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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6-8g once daily, empty stomach, 4-5 days in a row.
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Re: kratom vs alcohol [Re: pslyke]
#19370631 - 01/04/14 10:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have been taking for around two years and when I started out I had issues with poops also.
After a month or so of regular use it goes away and I actually have perfect shits that are never sloppy.
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Re: kratom vs alcohol [Re: Snotfish]
#19370650 - 01/04/14 10:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Kratom gives me the WORST (literally) smelling farts I've ever had and also gives me diarrhea.
Strange that it does the exact opposite to me than it does to you.
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Kratom + Sex = rock her world
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Re: kratom vs alcohol [Re: Mitchnast]
#19371148 - 01/05/14 01:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've had situations where it lasted so long that she'd get bored >.>
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Re: kratom vs alcohol [Re: Snotfish]
#19372032 - 01/05/14 09:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mitchnast said:
Kratom + Sex = rock her world
Yessir! 
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Dankfish said:
I've had situations where it lasted so long that she'd get bored >.>
Yessir 
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bore 1 (bôr, br)
v. bored, bor·ing, bores
v.tr.
1. To make a hole in or through, with or as if with a drill.
2. To form (a tunnel, for example) by drilling, digging, or burrowing.
v.intr.
1. To make a hole in or through something with or as if with a drill: "three types of protein that enable the cells to bore in and out of blood vessels" (Elisabeth Rosenthal).
2. To proceed or advance steadily or laboriously: a destroyer boring through heavy seas.
n.
1. A hole or passage made by or as if by use of a drill.
2. A hollow, usually cylindrical chamber or barrel, as of a firearm.
3. The interior diameter of a hole, tube, or cylinder.
4. The caliber of a firearm.
5. A drilling tool.
yup, she gets Bored it alright
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Re: kratom vs alcohol [Re: Mitchnast]
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bore 1 (bôr, br)
v. bored, bor·ing, bores
v.tr.
1. To make a hole in or through, with or as if with a drill.
2. To form (a tunnel, for example) by drilling, digging, or burrowing.
v.intr.
1. To make a hole in or through something with or as if with a drill: "three types of protein that enable the cells to bore in and out of blood vessels" (Elisabeth Rosenthal).
2. To proceed or advance steadily or laboriously: a destroyer boring through heavy seas.
n.
1. A hole or passage made by or as if by use of a drill.
2. A hollow, usually cylindrical chamber or barrel, as of a firearm.
3. The interior diameter of a hole, tube, or cylinder.
4. The caliber of a firearm.
5. A drilling tool.
yup, she gets Bored it alright
Fucking classic. You sir, are the man!
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Re: kratom vs alcohol [Re: Viveka]
#19390236 - 01/08/14 07:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I love Kratom much more than alcohol!
I love alcohol too but Kratom is a miracle medicine!
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Re: kratom vs alcohol [Re: Moonshoe]
#19390940 - 01/08/14 10:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You've essentially just said you love tennis shoes much more than rivers.
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Re: kratom vs alcohol [Re: Mitchnast]
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Kratom + Sex = rock her world
Why do you say this? Im very interested. Always looking to spice up the sex life with my honey :-)
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well, if her spice is spurting globs of ropey jizm, then I'ts probably not the stuff.
But if she likes when a guy plows her for 3 hours strait until he falls asleep from exhaustion. giddyup
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Re: kratom vs alcohol [Re: Mitchnast]
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also, keep some water handy
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Re: kratom vs alcohol [Re: Moonshoe]
#19610884 - 02/24/14 01:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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So I resurrect this thread. Though I typically post late at night so this journaling tends to get buried. I am currently taking a quick kratom break as over the last 11 days I've only had two days off from kratom. Tolerance is a tricky obstacle(towards an ideal euphoria).
Tonight I've had about 3/5ths of a standard 750ml bottle or wine. This is an Agrentinian Malbec. I am working on the last 2/5ths now. If it were a coloring book, the child would draw strong lines around the central character on the ethanol page; Forest Green and Burnt Sienna and Violet Blue. The boundaries of self seem to be the central experience of the alcohol if not the theme.
On kratom I am merged with the moment and my surroundings and the self are merely a grateful vehicle amidst a brief occasion of eternity.
Both experiences start similarly. With a red wine the hope is that I will have selected a bottle the contents of which will spill from the lip of a glass into a ball that rests momentarily upon the palate and then unfolds the flavors of ancient fruit all at once indecipherable. With the southeast asian leaf my method is a bit more crude, a folded paper apparatus in the tradition of a paper airplane delivers several ideally bitter grams at a time and is washed down with a tea intended to further unwind.
Up to this point I've attempted to draw a distinction between these substances though with a bit of curiosity-induced googling I realize that both ethanol and Mitragyna speciosa are calcium channel blockers. I remember the first time I took DXM, about, 1XXmg, and it felt like an idealized alcohol buzz. And I've read about using dxm to potentiate or help diminish tolerance with kratom and in my limited experience with this 15mg DXM does increase somatic effect though it pushes it towards intoxication and 30mg of DXM combined with 6-8mg kratom feels more like 150mg of DXM. The DXM brings out the dissociative side of the kratom. And then we have alcohol which also has NMDA-antagonist effects so I am comparing two apples to apple-flavored oranges.
I do declare that alcohol promotes laughter and outright madness at moderate to sedative dose. I also feel that Communication should be and is advocated whilst intoxicated on this wine, hence my blabbering syntacx. And while a thorough intoxication of drink can propel You into an existential furor it is also usually tempered by a period of misery and it's not nearly as euphoric.
I reiterate that kratom is a mysteriously wonderful plant and I can only hope that I can strategically stumble into a viable pattern of use that will not permanently diminish its subtly magnificent effects.
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Re: kratom vs alcohol [Re: Viveka]
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The fact that kratom is so easily taken and the intoxication so easily put on the back burner keeps this one of the toughest drugs I've ever tried monitoring. I'm going on ~2 years of essentially multiple daily uses. Still love the plant and while doses late in the day don't do much for me but keep my state of mind going and hold back withdrawals, that morning dose is so beautiful every single time (unless I've drank the night before.)
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Re: kratom vs alcohol [Re: Snotfish]
#19614941 - 02/25/14 12:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Huh, so you haven't noticed a diminishing of euphoria or effect in general after years of daily use? How has the amount of material you need to consume changed?
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Re: kratom vs alcohol [Re: Viveka]
#19614988 - 02/25/14 12:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Everyone has been talking about Kratom lately, I'm worried that it will become illegal soon in California...
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Re: kratom vs alcohol [Re: Viveka]
#19615035 - 02/25/14 01:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have been using daily and my doses are skyrocketing and effects diminishing.
It's really important not to use it more than 3-4 days a week or it will lose its magic.
I need to take a few weeks off then start using only 3 days a week.
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Snotfish
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Re: kratom vs alcohol [Re: Moonshoe]
#19615555 - 02/25/14 07:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You NEVER increase dose with this thing trying to chase a tolerance. My dose is 5 grams and has been for years. If I want to really doze out I'll go higher but 5 has been and will be my go-to.
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Re: kratom vs alcohol [Re: Snotfish]
#19615786 - 02/25/14 09:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I gotta cap some more up. I cant take the powder straight.
Which strain should I cap:
Red vein sumatra, red vein riau, green riau, green malay, thai powder, or white vein sumatra.? (Almost out of red vein borneo so thats not an option. )
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Re: kratom vs alcohol [Re: Snotfish]
#19616340 - 02/25/14 12:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Snotfish said:
You NEVER increase dose with this thing trying to chase a tolerance. My dose is 5 grams and has been for years. If I want to really doze out I'll go higher but 5 has been and will be my go-to.
Yeah You are right! I need to really stop taking so much.
I am going to start taking 3 tsp morning and 3 tsp afternoon, and no more than that.
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Re: kratom vs alcohol [Re: Moonshoe]
#19616354 - 02/25/14 12:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Moonshoe said:
I have been using daily and my doses are skyrocketing and effects diminishing.
It's really important not to use it more than 3-4 days a week or it will lose its magic.
I need to take a few weeks off then start using only 3 days a week.
ime it loses its magic REALLY fast. like two days in a row TOPS.
good luck getting your doses down. hopefully you won't withdraw, I hear it can be as bad as heroin w.d
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Re: kratom vs alcohol [Re: s240779]
#19616376 - 02/25/14 12:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Da2ra said:
pcplease, when you say kava is a much mellower alcohol, do you mean kava is more powerful or less powerful? Haha.
kava is way better than alcohol. No shitty hangovers for me atleast. Kava rocks too but the amount you have to take to feel it kind of defeats the purpose. I'd choose kava over alcohol any day. It just seems more.. healthy. It doesn't have to be derived and brewed, just make the root into a milk shake are it's good to go!
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Re: kratom vs alcohol [Re: Apostle]
#19616377 - 02/25/14 12:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kratom is the shit. Only thing is it is also addictive. Not nearly as bad as anything else but you will notice w.d after stopping. they lasted me about 3 days. I also blew through a kilo of premium maeng da.  ! I just don't like being addicted to anything. It would suck knowing that I had to wake up and take my daily dose before doing anything.
Then again it did have many positives, I wasn't drinking as much as mentioned in this thread and I did get a lot of shit done.. It's hard to tell which side is better. Although I do agree kratom is by far superior to alcohol. Alcohol is just legal liquid benzo.
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Re: kratom vs alcohol [Re: Apostle]
#19619232 - 02/26/14 12:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Diacetylol said:
Quote:
Moonshoe said:
I have been using daily and my doses are skyrocketing and effects diminishing.
It's really important not to use it more than 3-4 days a week or it will lose its magic.
I need to take a few weeks off then start using only 3 days a week.
ime it loses its magic REALLY fast. like two days in a row TOPS.
good luck getting your doses down. hopefully you won't withdraw, I hear it can be as bad as heroin w.d
In everything I've read I've never heard it stated kratom withdrawal is anywhere near as bad as heroin or other opiates. I do agree with you though that two days in a row tops is a good rule. I've been taking it regularly since the end of last year and in the past month have been pushing multiple days in a row to see how the tolerance works. I have very limited opioid experience so I didn't have much tolerance to start.
In the past few weeks it's been five days on, one off, four days on, one off, that sort of thing. My last dose on Saturday was 8 grams, mostly maeng da and a little green malay, and that had very mild effects. Not good. This week I took my first 72 hour break in weeks. I T&W'd a little over 6 grams of bali mixed with green malay about 40 minutes ago and am starting to feel pretty nice.
The main problem with regular kratom use so far in my experience is not anything to do with physical dependence or side effects but simply that after I get off work I'd prefer to take it then not, so there's an aspect of psychological addiction. I want to temper my use out to twice a week ideally, maybe three times.
I've experimented with small doses of DXM to reset tolerance, as it's supposed to work to some extent with opioids. You're just supposed to take a typical therapeutic dose, i.e. 15mg. The interesting thing I found is that even very small doses of DXM bring out the dissociative side of kratom. I don't know if this is the NMDA antagonism of both substances or what but one night I took 30mg DXM 20 minutes before 7 or 8 grams of kratom and it felt more like I had taken about 150mg of DXM. The DXM also seems to exchange some of the warmer euphoric shades of kratom with a more robotic feel but that could have just been that I was already in diminshed euphoria territory due to multiple days in a row.
Magnesium is also supposed to help keep tolerance down and I've been taking a good chelated form daily anyway as it's the only thing a recent blood panel showed I was deficient in and it just seems to be a good supportive supplement from everything I've read.
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Re: kratom vs alcohol [Re: Viveka]
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Re: kratom vs alcohol [Re: Mitchnast]
#21758819 - 06/03/15 07:36 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mitchnast said:
An article that popped up in my facebook,, quoting me from this thread.
Not the first time this crazy coincidence has happened either.
Haha, it quotes Moonshoe. He's famous! Well done.
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