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Most over rated Government conspiracies?
#19326453 - 12/25/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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What do you think are the most over rated Government conspiracies?
One that you think is either over blown or bs, etc....
Personally I think the idea that the Government delibaretly caused 9/11 is bs. Now I do think blowback may have a had a big effect and may have possibly been the Government's actions that set it in motion, but I don't think Government agents hijacked planes on 9/11 and made it happen. Also if that were the case I think some more evidence would possibly have come out by now.
That said, Tower 7 collapsing was pretty shady and it seems to have been ignored largely by the mainstream media.
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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: skatealex2] 6
#19326462 - 12/25/13 06:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Government would never stage terrorist attacks in order to garner public support to go to war, I mean that's just absurd.......oh wait
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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: MisterSandman]
#19326469 - 12/25/13 06:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Operation Northwoods never actually happened though
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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: MisterSandman]
#19326475 - 12/25/13 06:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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MisterSandman said: The Government would never stage terrorist attacks in order to garner public support to go to war, I mean that's just absurd.......oh wait
Well, I'm not siding with the Government on this at all. Just saying there are some f-ing retarded Jihad religious people that think blowing themselves up and taking out enemies of their beliefs will get them a bunch of virgins in heaven or something.
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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: Enlil] 1
#19326478 - 12/25/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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True, but it was authorized by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the only thing that stopped it was JFK's veto. The fact that something like that was actually drafted up and authorized by some of the higher ups is kinda freaky.
For the record though, I don't think 9/11 was orchestrated by the US government.
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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: skatealex2]
#19326491 - 12/25/13 06:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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MisterSandman said: The Government would never stage terrorist attacks in order to garner public support to go to war, I mean that's just absurd.......oh wait
Well, I'm not siding with the Government on this at all. Just saying there are some f-ing retarded Jihad religious people that think blowing themselves up and taking out enemies of their beliefs will get them a bunch of virgins in heaven or something.
Oh no, I totally agree. I don't think the US government had anything to do with blowing up the Twin Towers, too many people would have to have been in on it, where are the death bed confessions? I'm just pointing out the fact that the US government has done/planned out some seriously fucked up, tin foil hat shit in the past. So to think they aren't capable of doing something similar today is kinda silly IMO
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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: skatealex2]
#19326555 - 12/25/13 07:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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skatealex2 said: What do you think are the most over rated Government conspiracies?
One that you think is either over blown or bs, etc....
Personally I think the idea that the Government delibaretly caused 9/11 is bs. Now I do think blowback may have a had a big effect and may have possibly been the Government's actions that set it in motion, but I don't think Government agents hijacked planes on 9/11 and made it happen. Also if that were the case I think some more evidence would possibly have come out by now.
blowback due to our involvement in the middle east, absolutely did the bush administration have knowledge about 9/11? somewhat, they didnt know exactly what, when or where because as the FBI said "it wasnt within their scope of power to investigate it" when they were given the tip
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That said, Tower 7 collapsing was pretty shady and it seems to have been ignored largely by the mainstream media.
it's not shady, steel is weakened by 50% at 800F, the construction of the building had 4 major load supports, nearly all f the building' weight was on those 4 trusses, those 4 trusses sat on a foundation smaller than the building's perimiter, when one of the trusses initially collapsed it forced the remaining 3 to carry the full load, something it wasnt designed to do.
there's a lot of bullshit surrounding the collapse of WTC7, a lot of myth spread by people claiming to seek the truth, most based off what they perceive to be the truth without even beginning to look deeper, only looking for more shit that they believe solidifies their 'case' and any time facts are presented they decide to attack those presenting the facts
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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#19326560 - 12/25/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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all conspiracy theories do is try to make sense out of something that doesn't make any sense. with limited facts, and mostly guessing \
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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: MisterSandman]
#19326561 - 12/25/13 07:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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MisterSandman said: The Government would never stage terrorist attacks in order to garner public support to go to war, I mean that's just absurd.......oh wait
Well, I'm not siding with the Government on this at all. Just saying there are some f-ing retarded Jihad religious people that think blowing themselves up and taking out enemies of their beliefs will get them a bunch of virgins in heaven or something.
Oh no, I totally agree. I don't think the US government had anything to do with blowing up the Twin Towers, too many people would have to have been in on it, where are the death bed confessions? I'm just pointing out the fact that the US government has done/planned out some seriously fucked up, tin foil hat shit in the past. So to think they aren't capable of doing something similar today is kinda silly IMO
the government plays war games, 'what if' scenarios that encompass all kinds of shit, they run computer simulations and occasionally mock exercises to see what could/would happen and how it can be prevented, almost every single time it's claimed by conspiracy theorists as a conspiracy,a 'false flag' or some other pile of poop and not simply a preparedness exercise for 'just in case'
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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: Envix]
#19326568 - 12/25/13 07:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Envix said: all conspiracy theories do is try to make sense out of something that doesn't make any sense. with limited facts, and mostly guessing \
not quite, they try and shift the blame to someone other than who was responsible, generally the government, they dont attempt to make any sense of it, they simply blame government and then try and piece all they can together to show the government's involvement, with 9/11 there's no less than a dozen 'theories' that include a space based death ray, a nuke planted under the buildings and of course the controlled demolition theory that doesnt pan out because there's simply no evidence showing this, it's all speculation based on outward appearances
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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#19326569 - 12/25/13 07:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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when all 9/11 documents become declassified the truth will come out.
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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#19326581 - 12/25/13 07:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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What gets me is that they found the terrorist passport on the ground below the towers..seriously wtf
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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: Magicman69]
#19326583 - 12/25/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Magicman69 said: What gets me is that they found the terrorist passport on the ground below the towers..seriously wtf
they didnt find any toilets.
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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: k00laid] 1
#19326586 - 12/25/13 07:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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k00laid said: when all 9/11 documents become declassified the truth will come out.
yea that'll only take another 50 years. just like the ufo case files. it doesn't mean any "truth" will come out. just some more facts.
will we be able to piece together any "truth" from these facts? we haven't with the ufo case files so far.
conspiracy theories attempt to formulate connections based in both (usually misinterpreted) facts and biased opinions.
nobody knows what really happened way back when whatever. it was a collaborative project, obviously. so no 'one person' can have all the answers. especially if they weren't even involved
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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: Envix]
#19326593 - 12/25/13 07:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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its k we just need a few more documents
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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#19326597 - 12/25/13 07:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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MisterSandman said: The Government would never stage terrorist attacks in order to garner public support to go to war, I mean that's just absurd.......oh wait
Well, I'm not siding with the Government on this at all. Just saying there are some f-ing retarded Jihad religious people that think blowing themselves up and taking out enemies of their beliefs will get them a bunch of virgins in heaven or something.
Oh no, I totally agree. I don't think the US government had anything to do with blowing up the Twin Towers, too many people would have to have been in on it, where are the death bed confessions? I'm just pointing out the fact that the US government has done/planned out some seriously fucked up, tin foil hat shit in the past. So to think they aren't capable of doing something similar today is kinda silly IMO
the government plays war games, 'what if' scenarios that encompass all kinds of shit, they run computer simulations and occasionally mock exercises to see what could/would happen and how it can be prevented, almost every single time it's claimed by conspiracy theorists as a conspiracy,a 'false flag' or some other pile of poop and not simply a preparedness exercise for 'just in case'
Operation Northwoods was much more than just one of their "war games" or "simulations" It was a straight up proposal that was one step away from becoming reality. And what about all the freaky shit the CIA has been involved with? You know like the stuff that actually happened......
MK Ultra? And all the other freaky shit they did with LSD?
Their involvement in the heroin trade/helping other groups traffic drugs?
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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: k00laid]
#19326600 - 12/25/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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alex jones is an example of someone who has "all the documents" you can think of, and more.
does he have any truth? absolutely not. only assumptions. and lots of "documents"
documents prove nothing other than the proof of the document. what actually happened? documents can be altered and manipulated. especially "released documents"
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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: Magicman69]
#19326606 - 12/25/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Magicman69 said: What gets me is that they found the terrorist passport on the ground below the towers..seriously wtf
they found seats and other parts of the plane as well, they also found thousands of papers that were ejected at the time the fuel flashed, these arent amazing events when you can see in the footage things were ejected from the building immediately after the impact
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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: Envix]
#19326612 - 12/25/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Envix said: documents prove nothing other than the proof of the document.
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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: k00laid] 1
#19326624 - 12/25/13 07:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think the JFK Conspiracy's are the most over rated.
Security was so terrible that any idiot could of done it. Lots of people had motive.
9/11 is more interesting because it caused a war on terrorism in which a lot of people made money from. A muslim terrorist organization in Afghanistan staffed by Saudi Arabians supposedly carried it out over "trade disagreements"? They fought the Soviets they must of known the consequences. They were not lone nutcase's they were a military type organization with leadership structure's. It just makes little sense to me. But after seeing their level of fanaticism while the war was ongoing with suicide bombing's and a war on it's own people at time's, they may have just been a perfect storm of bad luck for the USA.
Either way it's more interesting to ponder that it could of been a shadow society of wealthy banker's trying to prop up the economy or get rid of certain Arab country's so that we could use their resources.
A lot of people had motive to create a war between the Middle East and the USA. Israel for one.
JFK conspiracy, much more simple and boring.
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