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OfflineHelloEvo
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Why is everyone so adamant about the shotgun terrarium?
    #19326498 - 12/25/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm about to start the hobby again and I used to grow back in 2006 with great results and I never used a shotgun terrarium, just a good old tub with perlite and a plexi glass cut out on the lid. I understand the concept of FAE, and I get out important it is, but the whole process of drilling the holes, and keeping the entire room at 30% humidity seems a little excessive to me since I'll be sleeping in said room. Forgive my ignorance here, but all I had to do was fan the thing about 5 times a day and mist it a couple times as well and my yields were great, both BRF and Casing.

Now though it seems like everyone is dead set on the shotgun method, and I really don't want to have to buy a humidifier and run it 24/7, and put stuff under the tub so that water doesn't leak from the bottom all over my floor. Am I wrong here? or am I making it out to be more work than it really is? Thanks for the help guys

P.S. I've done the research, seen the tek and all the "Let's grow mushrooms" vids and I went by the "how to grow magic mushrooms" video from back in the day (it's like an hour long) that's still on youtube


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Re: Why is everyone so adamant about the shotgun terrarium? [Re: HelloEvo]
    #19326513 - 12/25/13 06:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's really not bad it doesn't leak if u drain ur perlite and holes are very simple just takes a lil time but you will have much better result tried and proven.


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Re: Why is everyone so adamant about the shotgun terrarium? [Re: NOTFALL3N]
    #19326520 - 12/25/13 06:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You're making it to be more work than it actually is. You don't have to keep the room at any certain humidity

If you want an easy low maintenance way to grow a lot of Shrooms spawn colonized grain to bulk in a monotub


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Re: Why is everyone so adamant about the shotgun terrarium? [Re: Stromrider]
    #19326599 - 12/25/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Damn. Your room is under 30 percent humidity? Is it just me, or does that seem low? What state do you live in?

And the sgfc works beautifully.


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Re: Why is everyone so adamant about the shotgun terrarium? [Re: huffinglue]
    #19326838 - 12/25/13 08:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I live in victorville, ca smack dab in the middle of the desert. I think I'm just gonna run two different fruiting chambers, a regular one like I had before, and a shotgun. I'm just really curious to see the difference in yields, and I'm sure it'll be quite a bit since everyone loves the shotgun so much. I'll post pics for everyone so there won't be someone like me in the future asking this question haha...it's just so crazy being away from it for so long and coming back to all these new methods and ideas, I never even used a pressure cooker with my rye berries but it was a pain in the ass to steam sterilize for 3 hours.

I have a place in pasadena too, maybe I'll just run the shotgun there, the conditions are  more forgiving than the desert so I probably won't need the humidifier like you guys stated.


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Re: Why is everyone so adamant about the shotgun terrarium? [Re: huffinglue]
    #19326858 - 12/25/13 08:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

My house humidity is about 20% right now with the coal stove burning and a pot of water simmering on it. Dry as hell, ask my eyes. Outside temps going down to 10 degrees F with about the same humidity. My sgfc is 89% and I haven't had to 're-dunk' the perlite in over 2 weeks. Its also not to 'spec' but close. People like them because they work. Will another config work? Sure. Most of the teks on this site are geared toward a consistent rate of success, for noobs and experienced alike, and the shotgun is one of them.

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Re: Why is everyone so adamant about the shotgun terrarium? [Re: Fred Teddy]
    #19327011 - 12/25/13 09:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I went all out on my first grow, I had many variations and cultivated
using an SGFC, Martha, and Monos.

I would say the Mono took the cake, followed shortly by the mini-monos in the Martha, and the bulk cakes in the sgfc at third.

Just my opinion, though even though theres a winner and loser, all three
are very close to the same in terms or work, price, and output.

Its just a matter of personal opinion and how you approach the debate.

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Re: Why is everyone so adamant about the shotgun terrarium? [Re: Fred Teddy]
    #19327026 - 12/25/13 09:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Fred Teddy said:
My house humidity is about 20% right now with the coal stove burning and a pot of water simmering on it. Dry as hell, ask my eyes. Outside temps going down to 10 degrees F with about the same humidity. My sgfc is 89% and I haven't had to 're-dunk' the perlite in over 2 weeks. Its also not to 'spec' but close. People like them because they work. Will another config work? Sure. Most of the teks on this site are geared toward a consistent rate of success, for noobs and experienced alike, and the shotgun is one of them.

Peace
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I'm definitely gonna give it a shot, I can't wait to see the results, it's crazy how it never occurred to me to drill holes in the damn thing for FAE, completely over my head. You know what they say about old dogs and new tricks :grin: I'm getting all fuzzy just thinking about building everything and mixing my casings again. I wish I'd kept all my stuff (glove box, heat bomb, spore syringes, recipes, etc.) just never thought I'd get back in the game again, but boy is it exciting


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Re: Why is everyone so adamant about the shotgun terrarium? [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19327053 - 12/25/13 10:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

JMcDoogle said:
I went all out on my first grow, I had many variations and cultivated
using an SGFC, Martha, and Monos.

I would say the Mono took the cake, followed shortly by the mini-monos in the Martha, and the bulk cakes in the sgfc at third.

Just my opinion, though even though theres a winner and loser, all three
are very close to the same in terms or work, price, and output.

Its just a matter of personal opinion and how you approach the debate.

Cheers!



I feel you, that's why I asked the question, kinda like a "if it ain't broke" thing, but I'm gonna give it a shot anyway, it's only gonna cost an extra $10 for a tub (and a little elbow grease) and now that I know I'm not gonna need to be completely anal about it, it's easier to jump on board. I am expecting to spend a little more on everything though just because the cost on stuff has gone up since 06/07 especially in ca. I ALMOST jumped the gun on a kit from midwest until I realized gathering everything up is half the fun! and I really had no used for the cakes since I want to do it on rye again, glad I didn't take that shortcut haha


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Re: Why is everyone so adamant about the shotgun terrarium? [Re: huffinglue]
    #19327302 - 12/25/13 11:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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huffinglue said:
Damn. Your room is under 30 percent humidity? Is it just me, or does that seem low? What state do you live in?

And the sgfc works beautifully.



my room is at 20% at times...  damn winter and dry climates...

but to the op...  because it works/works well/works well consistently..?  but like stromrider said... monos are the absolute tits, arguably less difficult- and certainly lower maintenance- than cakes if you pay attention, and your yield from one mini-tub will be night and day compared to even a decent amount of cakes :shrug:


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Re: Why is everyone so adamant about the shotgun terrarium? [Re: westthebest]
    #19327373 - 12/26/13 12:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not a fan of the SGFC. It does require maintanece especially where I live (dry and cold as hell here for the winter) and is large comparitive to the amount of sub it can hold (even if your stacking your cakes). That all being said, for fruiting small subs like cakes and trays, its more reliable than most PMP's and cheaper too. Its a far cheaper option than a greenhouse and easier to use. The design is easy to explain and even easier to dial in. Because of this, it is usually the most practical FC design for a new cultivator to start with.

I like monotubs. Set, forget, harvest FTW :super:


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Re: Why is everyone so adamant about the shotgun terrarium? [Re: HelloEvo]
    #19327855 - 12/26/13 07:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Pastywhyte said:
The design is easy to explain and even easier to dial in. Because of this, it is usually the most practical FC design for a new cultivator to start with.

I like monotubs. Set, forget, harvest FTW :super:




The biggest thing that benefits a SGFC is being filled with cakes.  Having a SGFC with 2 cakes in it defeats the purpose. 



Quote:

HelloEvo said:

Now though it seems like everyone is dead set on the shotgun method, and I really don't want to have to buy a humidifier and run it 24/7, and put stuff under the tub so that water doesn't leak from the bottom all over my floor. Am I wrong here? or am I making it out to be more work than it really is? Thanks for the help guys




If you had great luck in the past, you were doing something right.  I am not a fan of the SGFC, but as was said it is a near fail proof method to fruit cakes.

Use the search function to look for info on "Mono tubs" and "coir and vermiculite bulk".  These methods are just about failproof as well, and IMHO take less work.


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Re: Why is everyone so adamant about the shotgun terrarium? [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
    #19327878 - 12/26/13 07:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I never really used one either with great results. But this not to say they couldnt have been better.


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Re: Why is everyone so adamant about the shotgun terrarium? [Re: highc]
    #19328004 - 12/26/13 08:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

we dont use em.
we use v tek, bottom water and regular heavy duty cargo cases, no mods.

we dont even have a shotgun.
they are useless relics in the day of 4A kevlar.


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Re: Why is everyone so adamant about the shotgun terrarium? [Re: anne halonium]
    #19328111 - 12/26/13 09:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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anne halonium said:

we dont even have a shotgun.
they are useless relics in the day of 4A kevlar.




:lol:

We can always count on you for some comic relief.
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Re: Why is everyone so adamant about the shotgun terrarium? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #19328452 - 12/26/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

lol...........

ya , were more into the tungesten discarding sabot round FC.


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