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Most over rated Government conspiracies?
    #19326453 - 12/25/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

What do you think are the most over rated Government conspiracies?

One that you think is either over blown or bs, etc....


Personally I think the idea that the Government delibaretly caused 9/11 is bs.  Now I do think blowback may have a had a big effect and may have possibly been the Government's actions that set it in motion, but I don't think Government agents hijacked planes on 9/11 and made it happen.  Also if that were the case I think some more evidence would possibly have come out by now.

That said, Tower 7 collapsing was pretty shady and it seems to have been ignored largely by the mainstream media.


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: skatealex2] * 6
    #19326462 - 12/25/13 06:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The Government would never stage terrorist attacks in order to garner public support to go to war, I mean that's just absurd.......oh wait


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: MisterSandman]
    #19326469 - 12/25/13 06:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Operation Northwoods never actually happened though


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: MisterSandman]
    #19326475 - 12/25/13 06:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The Government would never stage terrorist attacks in order to garner public support to go to war, I mean that's just absurd.......oh wait





Well, I'm not siding with the Government on this at all.  Just saying there are some f-ing retarded Jihad religious people that think blowing themselves up and taking out enemies of their beliefs will get them a bunch of virgins in heaven or something.


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #19326478 - 12/25/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

True, but it was authorized by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the only thing that stopped it was JFK's veto. The fact that something like that  was actually drafted up and authorized by some of the higher ups is kinda freaky.

For the record though, I don't think 9/11 was orchestrated by the US government.


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: skatealex2]
    #19326491 - 12/25/13 06:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The Government would never stage terrorist attacks in order to garner public support to go to war, I mean that's just absurd.......oh wait





Well, I'm not siding with the Government on this at all.  Just saying there are some f-ing retarded Jihad religious people that think blowing themselves up and taking out enemies of their beliefs will get them a bunch of virgins in heaven or something.




Oh no, I totally agree. I don't think the US government had anything to do with blowing up the Twin Towers, too many people would have to have been in on it, where are the death bed confessions? I'm just pointing out the fact that the US government has done/planned out some seriously fucked up, tin foil hat shit in the past. So to think they aren't capable of doing something similar today is kinda silly IMO


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: skatealex2]
    #19326555 - 12/25/13 07:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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skatealex2 said:
What do you think are the most over rated Government conspiracies?

One that you think is either over blown or bs, etc....


Personally I think the idea that the Government delibaretly caused 9/11 is bs.  Now I do think blowback may have a had a big effect and may have possibly been the Government's actions that set it in motion, but I don't think Government agents hijacked planes on 9/11 and made it happen.  Also if that were the case I think some more evidence would possibly have come out by now.





blowback due to our involvement in the middle east, absolutely
did the bush administration have knowledge about 9/11? somewhat, they didnt
know exactly what, when or where because as the FBI said "it wasnt within
their scope of power to investigate it" when they were given the tip

Quote:

That said, Tower 7 collapsing was pretty shady and it seems to have been ignored largely by the mainstream media.




it's not shady, steel is weakened by 50% at 800F, the construction of the
building had 4 major load supports, nearly all f the building' weight was
on those 4 trusses, those 4 trusses sat on a foundation smaller than the
building's perimiter, when one of the trusses initially collapsed it forced
the remaining 3 to carry the full load, something it wasnt designed to do.

there's a lot of bullshit surrounding the collapse of WTC7, a lot of myth
spread by people claiming to seek the truth, most based off what they
perceive to be the truth without even beginning to look deeper, only
looking for more shit that they believe solidifies their 'case' and any
time facts are presented they decide to attack those presenting the facts


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19326560 - 12/25/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

all conspiracy theories do is try to make sense out of something that doesn't make any sense. with limited facts, and mostly guessing \


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: MisterSandman]
    #19326561 - 12/25/13 07:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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skatealex2 said:
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MisterSandman said:
The Government would never stage terrorist attacks in order to garner public support to go to war, I mean that's just absurd.......oh wait





Well, I'm not siding with the Government on this at all.  Just saying there are some f-ing retarded Jihad religious people that think blowing themselves up and taking out enemies of their beliefs will get them a bunch of virgins in heaven or something.




Oh no, I totally agree. I don't think the US government had anything to do with blowing up the Twin Towers, too many people would have to have been in on it, where are the death bed confessions? I'm just pointing out the fact that the US government has done/planned out some seriously fucked up, tin foil hat shit in the past. So to think they aren't capable of doing something similar today is kinda silly IMO





the government plays war games, 'what if' scenarios that encompass all
kinds of shit, they run computer simulations and occasionally mock
exercises to see what could/would happen and how it can be prevented,
almost every single time it's claimed by conspiracy theorists as a
conspiracy,a 'false flag' or some other pile of poop and not simply a
preparedness exercise for 'just in case'


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: Envix]
    #19326568 - 12/25/13 07:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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all conspiracy theories do is try to make sense out of something that doesn't make any sense. with limited facts, and mostly guessing \





not quite, they try and shift the blame to someone other than who was
responsible, generally the government, they dont attempt to make any sense of
it, they simply blame government and then try and piece all they can together
to show the government's involvement, with 9/11 there's no less than a dozen
'theories' that include a space based death ray, a nuke planted under the
buildings and of course the controlled demolition theory that doesnt pan out
because there's simply no evidence showing this, it's all speculation based
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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19326569 - 12/25/13 07:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

when all 9/11 documents become declassified the truth will come out.


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19326581 - 12/25/13 07:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

What gets me is that they found the terrorist passport on the ground below the towers..seriously wtf


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: Magicman69]
    #19326583 - 12/25/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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What gets me is that they found the terrorist passport on the ground below the towers..seriously wtf




they didnt find any toilets.


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: k00laid] * 1
    #19326586 - 12/25/13 07:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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when all 9/11 documents become declassified the truth will come out.



yea that'll only take another 50 years. just like the ufo case files. it doesn't mean any "truth" will come out. just some more facts.

will we be able to piece together any "truth" from these facts? we haven't with the ufo case files so far.

conspiracy theories attempt to formulate connections based in both (usually misinterpreted) facts and biased opinions.

nobody knows what really happened way back when whatever. it was a collaborative project, obviously. so no 'one person' can have all the answers. especially if they weren't even involved


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: Envix]
    #19326593 - 12/25/13 07:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

its k we just need a few more documents


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19326597 - 12/25/13 07:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The Government would never stage terrorist attacks in order to garner public support to go to war, I mean that's just absurd.......oh wait





Well, I'm not siding with the Government on this at all.  Just saying there are some f-ing retarded Jihad religious people that think blowing themselves up and taking out enemies of their beliefs will get them a bunch of virgins in heaven or something.




Oh no, I totally agree. I don't think the US government had anything to do with blowing up the Twin Towers, too many people would have to have been in on it, where are the death bed confessions? I'm just pointing out the fact that the US government has done/planned out some seriously fucked up, tin foil hat shit in the past. So to think they aren't capable of doing something similar today is kinda silly IMO





the government plays war games, 'what if' scenarios that encompass all
kinds of shit, they run computer simulations and occasionally mock
exercises to see what could/would happen and how it can be prevented,
almost every single time it's claimed by conspiracy theorists as a
conspiracy,a 'false flag' or some other pile of poop and not simply a
preparedness exercise for 'just in case'




Operation Northwoods was much more than just one of their "war games" or "simulations" It was a straight up proposal that was one step away from becoming reality. And what about all the freaky shit the CIA has been involved with? You know like the stuff that actually happened......

MK Ultra? And all the other freaky shit they did with LSD?

Their involvement in the heroin trade/helping other groups traffic drugs?



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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: k00laid]
    #19326600 - 12/25/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

alex jones is an example of someone who has "all the documents" you can think of, and more.

does he have any truth? absolutely not. only assumptions. and lots of "documents"

documents prove nothing other than the proof of the document. what actually happened? documents can be altered and manipulated. especially "released documents"


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: Magicman69]
    #19326606 - 12/25/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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What gets me is that they found the terrorist passport on the ground below the towers..seriously wtf





they found seats and other parts of the plane as well, they also found
thousands of papers that were ejected at the time the fuel flashed,
these arent amazing events when you can see in the footage things were
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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: Envix]
    #19326612 - 12/25/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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documents prove nothing other than the proof of the document.




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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: k00laid] * 1
    #19326624 - 12/25/13 07:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think the JFK Conspiracy's are the most over rated. 

Security was so terrible that any idiot could of done it.  Lots of people had motive. 

9/11 is more interesting because it caused a war on terrorism in which a lot of people made money from.  A muslim terrorist organization in Afghanistan staffed by Saudi Arabians supposedly carried it out over "trade disagreements"?  They fought the Soviets they must of known the consequences.  They were not lone nutcase's they were a military type organization with leadership structure's. It just makes little sense to me.  But after seeing their level of fanaticism while the war was ongoing with suicide bombing's and a war on it's own people at time's,  they may have just been a perfect storm of bad luck for the USA.

Either way it's more interesting to ponder that it could of been a shadow society of wealthy banker's trying to prop up the economy or get rid of certain Arab country's so that we could use their resources.

A lot of people had motive to create a war between the Middle East and the USA.  Israel for one.

JFK conspiracy,  much more simple and boring.


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: k00laid]
    #19326628 - 12/25/13 07:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

don't get me wrong. i love conspiracy theories. even the unfounded shitty ones. it fascinates me how the human imagination can conceive such scenarios that may or may not actually be reality

added paranoia just makes the conspiracy all the more interesting. and fun!


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: Envix] * 1
    #19326640 - 12/25/13 07:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

documents are pretty cool though.

alex jones prints off articles from other news websites.

hardly on par with declassified documents from congress.


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: k00laid]
    #19326656 - 12/25/13 07:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think the human brain is the best proof of a creator. If you follow the evolution theory the string of events that turned what started as amino acids into complicated beings that humans are, with brains that are faster more complicated, and more perfect than any computer will ever be, seems to shout design to me. I think many answers to the most fundamental questions we have can be found in our brains


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19326698 - 12/25/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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skatealex2 said:
What do you think are the most over rated Government conspiracies?

One that you think is either over blown or bs, etc....


Personally I think the idea that the Government delibaretly caused 9/11 is bs.  Now I do think blowback may have a had a big effect and may have possibly been the Government's actions that set it in motion, but I don't think Government agents hijacked planes on 9/11 and made it happen.  Also if that were the case I think some more evidence would possibly have come out by now.





blowback due to our involvement in the middle east, absolutely
did the bush administration have knowledge about 9/11? somewhat, they didnt
know exactly what, when or where because as the FBI said "it wasnt within
their scope of power to investigate it" when they were given the tip

Quote:

That said, Tower 7 collapsing was pretty shady and it seems to have been ignored largely by the mainstream media.




it's not shady, steel is weakened by 50% at 800F, the construction of the
building had 4 major load supports, nearly all f the building' weight was
on those 4 trusses, those 4 trusses sat on a foundation smaller than the
building's perimiter, when one of the trusses initially collapsed it forced
the remaining 3 to carry the full load, something it wasnt designed to do.

there's a lot of bullshit surrounding the collapse of WTC7, a lot of myth
spread by people claiming to seek the truth, most based off what they
perceive to be the truth without even beginning to look deeper, only
looking for more shit that they believe solidifies their 'case' and any
time facts are presented they decide to attack those presenting the facts




or they use explosives they previously planted inside to demolish it.


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: SexyBeezy123]
    #19326725 - 12/25/13 07:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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seems to shout design to me.




seems shoutout to infinity to me

if infinity actually means infinity.

all possible everything words blah blah


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: tripp23]
    #19326747 - 12/25/13 08:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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or they use explosives they previously planted inside to demolish it.




How many people are involved in that scenario? First off the crew who laid the dynamite. Thats not something that got done in 45 minutes so pre knowledge is essential. So how many people knew ahead of time? Thats the soft conspiracy theory that they just had pre knowledge, the hard one is the government planned the whole thing. That would involve another few hundred people.
The accident investigators, how many on that team? More than a hundred. The 9-11 commision, all in on it. At what point do you say this not possible? People rat on the mafia under threat of having their kids killed, yet no one, not one person has admitted to being part of this conspiracy of 1000's of men? I don't believe in conspiracies that require the silence of so many people.
If you do a job with 3 people and you want to keep it quiet after you shoot the other two. Every criminal group on earth knows this. It's not possible for a thousand people to keep quiet about a mass murder.


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: SexyBeezy123]
    #19326753 - 12/25/13 08:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I think the human brain is the best proof of a creator. If you follow the evolution theory the string of events that turned what started as amino acids into complicated beings that humans are, with brains that are faster more complicated, and more perfect than any computer will ever be, seems to shout design to me. I think many answers to the most fundamental questions we have can be found in our brains




:trollmove:  or :tard:

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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: MisterSandman] * 1
    #19326761 - 12/25/13 08:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I dont understand therefore god, said every religious person ever.


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    #19326810 - 12/25/13 08:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I dont understand therefore god, said every religious person ever.




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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: SexyBeezy123]
    #19326820 - 12/25/13 08:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I think the human brain is the best proof of a creator. If you follow the evolution theory the string of events that turned what started as amino acids into complicated beings that humans are, with brains that are faster more complicated, and more perfect than any computer will ever be, seems to shout design to me.



yea this is exactly what i'm talking about unfounded conspiracies. fun stuff


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: skatealex2]
    #19327563 - 12/26/13 02:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

the Gulf of Tonkin incident was a false flag operation to get us into vietnam.

the same shit keeps happening and people don't give a fuck because documents aren't declassified til a few decades later.  :dumbass:


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: NWlight]
    #19327618 - 12/26/13 04:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Theres also been documented incidents where the US has launched strikes in countries its not even at war with. JSOC is some freaky shit to look into.


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: MisterSandman]
    #19327625 - 12/26/13 04:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I dont understand therefore god, said every religious person ever.




:lolsy:



They're the same mindset with different goals.
person to religious person "how did humans start?"
religious person "god did it"

person to conspiracy theorist "how did humans start?"
conspiracy theorist "Evil shape-shifting reptilian overlords from the planet n'biru made us to make us mine gold for them, then most of them left but a few stayed behind to torture us for eternity."


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: NotTheDevil]
    #19327747 - 12/26/13 06:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

9/11 was a great opportunity for the government to exploit tragedy and give itself more power. I think we can all agree on that.


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: Ritual]
    #19327862 - 12/26/13 07:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I think the JFK Conspiracy's are the most over rated. 

Security was so terrible that any idiot could of done it.  Lots of people had motive. 

9/11 is more interesting because it caused a war on terrorism in which a lot of people made money from.  A muslim terrorist organization in Afghanistan staffed by Saudi Arabians supposedly carried it out over "trade disagreements"?  They fought the Soviets they must of known the consequences.  They were not lone nutcase's they were a military type organization with leadership structure's. It just makes little sense to me.  But after seeing their level of fanaticism while the war was ongoing with suicide bombing's and a war on it's own people at time's,  they may have just been a perfect storm of bad luck for the USA.




you're kinda right, this wasnt about trade agreements, it was about the US
foreign policy, the interventionist policy we've been working on since the
50s, we've put half the leaders in the mid east in power so they'd do for
us, after the first gulf war we continued bombing Iraq through the clinton
administration, we had santions and embargoes placed against iraq and other
arab nations while funding their enemies

9/11 was far from the first attack on the US, it was one in a long series
of attacks that include a 1993 WTC bombing, the USS Cole, several attacks
on embassies and military bases. much of what's in the patriot act was
passed through the 90s


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Either way it's more interesting to ponder that it could of been a shadow society of wealthy banker's trying to prop up the economy or get rid of certain Arab country's so that we could use their resources.




wars dont actually support economies, we saw that under bush


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: NWlight]
    #19327888 - 12/26/13 07:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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the Gulf of Tonkin incident was a false flag operation to get us into vietnam.







not really, the US was in vietnam since the 50s, in 62 we were sending in
more 'advisors', we were already in vietnam, the tonkin resolution allwed for
an escalation in troop numbers but the propaganda from both sides show that
this incident was in fact both sides participating in the escalation of events


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: Quawonk]
    #19327890 - 12/26/13 07:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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9/11 was a great opportunity for the government to exploit tragedy and give itself more power. I think we can all agree on that.





what power did the government give it's self that it didnt already have?


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19328005 - 12/26/13 08:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The ability to legally destroy citizens right's under the guise of The Patriot Act.


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    #19328012 - 12/26/13 08:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Obamacare is the worst conspiracy ever.


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: mpd]
    #19328043 - 12/26/13 09:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Obamacare is the worst conspiracy ever.





Yo man I heard obama is an annunaki and they are going to chip everyone with obamacare. Its okay though the rapture will happen and jesus will save all the true believers from the evil reptilians... Yeah...


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    #19328050 - 12/26/13 09:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I second the JFk assassination conspiracy.


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    #19328076 - 12/26/13 09:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: JonnyBtreed]
    #19328105 - 12/26/13 09:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The ability to legally destroy citizens right's under the guise of The Patriot Act.





um... what? maybe you should expand on this because I've not seen it to be the case


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19328239 - 12/26/13 10:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Mostly the fourth amendment. IF you are suspected of being a terrorist the government can essentially do whatever they want to you. Hold you without trial, search your person and home, tap your calls, invade your privacy to an even greater extent than they already do to the average American. Where do you draw the line on what is or is not considered a threat to America? You know damn well you and I are both on that list right now. Just because of the way we feel about handguns and the 2nd amendment. If and when they decide to round up guns across the country, people outspoken against gun control are going to become the new "terrorists" and threat to our government. And you know damn well they will use those Patriot act and ND(fill in the blank) bills against all that threaten to stop them.

It's a modern day witch hunt. Based on the accusation of another they could potentially come in and destroy your life and hold you without any proof of terrorist activity. If you are a threat to somebody in a very high profile position this is the perfect way to silence somebody and put them away for life. This couldn't of been done very easily before 911. Now they can throw you in a cell and not let you speak to anybody until your trial which isn't to be expected anytime soon and will be done in private anyway.

What about the implementation of the TSA? Are you telling me they don't step over their bounds constitutionally speaking? I know you'll probably come back come back saying "if you want to fly on their planes, then you have to abide by their rules" which is fine and justifiable to an extent. But like any federal program I'm sure it will just keep growing until you are searched at train stations, bus stations, you name it. Which is essentially the whole purpose of the fourth amendment was put in place to begin with. I would consider than "unreasonable".


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: JonnyBtreed]
    #19328292 - 12/26/13 10:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Simple solution: don't be a terrorist and the government will leave you alone.  Seems pretty straight-forward and simple to me. :shrug:


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: mpd]
    #19328293 - 12/26/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Simple solution: don't be a terrorist and the government will leave you alone.  Seems pretty straight-forward and simple to me. :shrug:





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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: JonnyBtreed]
    #19328390 - 12/26/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Mostly the fourth amendment. IF you are suspected of being a terrorist the government can essentially do whatever they want to you. Hold you without trial, search your person and home, tap your calls, invade your privacy to an even greater extent than they already do to the average American.




except for one thing, that's false. a terry stop allows for a search of
someone's person, it's a weapons check that allows them to pat you down for
their safety, it's been in effect for decades, NYC is catching a lot of
controversy for the same thing only it's called 'stop and frisk'

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If and when they decide to round up guns across the country, people outspoken against gun control are going to become the new "terrorists" and threat to our government. And you know damn well they will use those Patriot act and ND(fill in the blank) bills against all that threaten to stop them.




except that it's not going to happen and the patriot act doesnt allow for it

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It's a modern day witch hunt. Based on the accusation of another they could potentially come in and destroy your life and hold you without any proof of terrorist activity. If you are a threat to somebody in a very high profile position this is the perfect way to silence somebody and put them away for life. This couldn't of been done very easily before 911. Now they can throw you in a cell and not let you speak to anybody until your trial which isn't to be expected anytime soon and will be done in private anyway.




again, a load of falsehoods based on hearsay

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What about the implementation of the TSA? Are you telling me they don't step over their bounds constitutionally speaking? I know you'll probably come back come back saying "if you want to fly on their planes, then you have to abide by their rules" which is fine and justifiable to an extent. But like any federal program I'm sure it will just keep growing until you are searched at train stations, bus stations, you name it. Which is essentially the whole purpose of the fourth amendment was put in place to begin with. I would consider than "unreasonable".





the beauty of air transportation, you dont have to fly and if you dont fly
you dont have to be subjected to the TSA searches, you agree to them when
you buy a plane ticket so what you've done is relinquished to right to not
have your person and carry on luggage checked before boarding a flight, I
dont fly because I wont support public funds providing private security for
air ports. none of it is unconstitutional and you have no right to travel
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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: skatealex2]
    #19328566 - 12/26/13 12:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Personally I think the idea that the Government delibaretly caused 9/11 is bs.  Now I do think blowback may have a had a big effect and may have possibly been the Government's actions that set it in motion, but I don't think Government agents hijacked planes on 9/11 and made it happen.  Also if that were the case I think some more evidence would possibly have come out by now.

That said, Tower 7 collapsing was pretty shady and it seems to have been ignored largely by the mainstream media.




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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: MisterSandman]
    #19328578 - 12/26/13 12:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The Government would never stage terrorist attacks in order to garner public support to go to war, I mean that's just absurd.......oh wait




No oh wait...  You act as though Operation Northwoods happened.  It didnt.  It was made up by a military man and it was not surprisingly rejected by the civilian government.  Your evidence supports the opposite of your point.  Operation Northwoods is evidence that our civilian government can and does reject military false flag  operations.


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    #19328583 - 12/26/13 12:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Oh, I recently saw that there's a conspiracy theory in regard to the Boston Bombing. I hadn't heard that one before.

Indisputable Photo Evidence That the Boston Marathon Bombing Was Staged


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    #19328599 - 12/26/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

As far as false flags go The Bay of Tonkin incident was confirmed to be a false flag in the wikileaks documents.  Thats pretty much why congress OK'd the go to Vietnam. 
I don't think it's that outrageous that the government could have done something like that again.


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: s240779]
    #19328625 - 12/26/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Oh, I recently saw that there's a conspiracy theory in regard to the Boston Bombing. I hadn't heard that one before.

Indisputable Photo Evidence That the Boston Marathon Bombing Was Staged



Any bad event that makes it to the media is considered by some conspiracy theorist to be staged, it's like they can't comprehend that bad people exist who don't work for their blame man of choice.


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Re: Most over rated Government conspiracies? [Re: s240779]
    #19328646 - 12/26/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think something suspicious did go down on 9\11, and I am a conservative we also thought 911 pessimists were unpatriotic scumbags. Something just doesn't add up tho..





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    #19328763 - 12/26/13 12:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I would love to hear Enlil's response to the fact that the wrong engine was found for the flight they claim that hit the towers. (4:50 into video) Also, the flight manifest released doesn't show these guys names as passengers, or any other arab names. Something suspicious here for sure

This is a good, thanks da2ra





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7th May 2011, 01:57 PM
http://opendb.com/images/wtc_engine2.jpg

It's a Pratt & Whitney JT9D-7R4D:

http://opendb.com/images/wtc_engine3.jpg

ETA: ... which is one of the standard 767 engines: http://www.tavansaz.com/JT9D_E.htm

But this looks different:

http://i53.tinypic.com/2wei8hg.jpg

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aircraft_engine_IP%26W_JT9D.jpg



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But this looks different:

http://i53.tinypic.com/2wei8hg.jpg

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aircraft_engine_IP%26W_JT9D.jpg

Nope, not different; just a different angle. The other photo shows fairly clearly the part found on Murray St.: the compressor and front of the combustor section. It's near the center of this diagram:

http://www.aircraftenginedesign.com/pictures/JT9D.gif




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