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InvisibleRoger Wilco
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Re: Faith precedes wisdom [Re: Deviate]
    #19339427 - 12/28/13 10:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Deviate said:

That's not what faith is at least not religious faith. Faith is not a belief. Faith is leaning so hard on God, that if God wasn't there, you would fall over.

In its highest form, faith is synonymous with wisdom/being/enlightenment/peace and happiness and bliss.





There is no high or low forms of words. Context sets the stage for meaning intended by the author speaking the word. If one uses the word "faith" in context that it is belief, they are literally correct, because they are synonyms in the English language.

If faith to you means wisdom/being/enlightenment/peace and happiness and bliss, you must be prepared to define your terms every time you use the word. This is because we are speaking English.

Your concepts may be valid, and may be worth sharing, but when using your own definitions ,when using a personalized language that others do not share, your ideas will not be understood.


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Re: Faith precedes wisdom [Re: Icelander]
    #19340740 - 12/29/13 09:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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all this beauty said:
Yes, faith precedes wisdom.  Wisdom (intellect) informs faith, but faith is the bedrock of human existence.

When I walk down a flight of stairs, I have faith that the next step will be there to catch my footfall.  Intellectually I have no way of "proving" that that will be the case.  Just because it's happened a trillion trillion trillion times before (i.e., the next step has always been there ) doesn't "prove" it will happen again.  The odds are very good that it will, but they're only odds.  Perhaps the next step will suddenly disappear, and I'll trip and fall.

There's no way of "proving" that the sun will rise tomorrow.  I have faith that it will and organize my life accordingly, but it's still only faith. 

As with the external, so with the internal.  All spiritual belief is predicated on faith.

There's no way of intellectually "proving" any personally-held spiritual belief.  Any and all spiritual experiences may be self-delusional.

How could I "know" that my personally-held spiritual beliefs are true?





That doesn't make any sense. The wisdom of not falling precedes the faith you won't.  We learn what we can or cannot do by experience and after many reps we then have faith.



I disagree.  I think that faith is the predicate to wisdom and knowledge.  ("Faith" understood broadly, encompassing much more than the "faith" exhibited by the religious.)

First you have faith that you can navigate the stairs without falling, then experience informs, reaffirms, your faith.  No child would take his first step were it not for the innate human intuition ("faith," if you will) that it were possible.

Looks like I have a different understanding of "faith" than you and others here.

Neither better nor worse.  Just different.


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Re: Faith precedes wisdom [Re: all this beauty]
    #19341067 - 12/29/13 11:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Who's going to bungy jump until they've seen in some way that the bungy will hold?  One out of a million that's who.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


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Re: Faith precedes wisdom [Re: Icelander]
    #19341158 - 12/29/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Icelander said:
Who's going to bungy jump until they've seen in some way that the bungy will hold?  One out of a million that's who.



Lol.  True.  Very true.

Some say that the bravest, most fearless person in the history of the world was the first person who ever ate a raw oyster out of the shell.

Lemme tell ya...  took a shitload of faith to try that one.  :lol:


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