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Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update.
    #1932570 - 09/19/03 02:28 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

This peyote was grafted as a few days old seedling in June (that's only three months ago). It has already sprouted seven new pups!




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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: Una]
    #1932584 - 09/19/03 02:32 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

jebus fuck that's friggin cool.



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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: Una]
    #1932591 - 09/19/03 02:33 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

all i can say is WOW!!!:) so i guess the pereskiopsis is a great grafting medium. Might you know someone whom has pereskiopsis plants for sale or trade..?? :smile:


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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: jojoba]
    #1932599 - 09/19/03 02:35 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Some Pereskiopsis species are noted to contain mescaline and some other PEAs.


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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: neuro]
    #1932626 - 09/19/03 02:39 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Once you obtain one Pereskiopsis plant you'll soon have plenty. The stuff really grows like weed and is very easy to multiply bu cuttings.


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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: Una]
    #1932966 - 09/19/03 04:24 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

very, very cool!!

can you graft peyote on any succulents?


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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: Una]
    #1933668 - 09/19/03 09:26 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I'm very impressed:)


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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: SKINNYDOGGY]
    #1933766 - 09/19/03 10:26 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

is tht what they call jade?


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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: the man]
    #1933909 - 09/19/03 11:12 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

no, but i was thinking jade might work :smile:


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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: Mitchnast]
    #1934163 - 09/20/03 01:12 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

i just wanna know about the potency. if maybe u put the whole plant on super drought mode for awhile. maybe make it more alkaloid rich. but i have never grown a cactus before so i dotn know the limits of them.


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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: the man]
    #1934240 - 09/20/03 01:37 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

well i reckon in about 5 years youll have some potent peyote, and a hell of alot


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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: the man]
    #1934247 - 09/20/03 01:39 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

also, this is a breakthrough of AMAZING possibilities,
put a button on evry branch :smile:, voila, peyote tree,


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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: Mitchnast]
    #1934826 - 09/20/03 05:25 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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voila, peyote tree,




I like that iedea!


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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: stefan]
    #1935077 - 09/20/03 10:02 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

ok, so Pereskiopsis is relitively easy to aquire, im soon to receive some peyote seeds, if i grow them for about a month, then graft them, i should expect them to grow 3 years worth in a month or two?
and by 3 months there will be very decent sized pups with pups of there own? oh man, im gonna like this.

now that i think of it, Pereskiopsis might aslo provide a synergistic rootstock for trichocerus, id be happy with the peyotes tho, id just grow and graft pertetually. i think it would be possible to market fast-growing peyote in canada.

maybe sell a peyote tree for $100 on the net, and it would only take maybe 5 months to grow to a selling point once evrything is going good and pupping,  thats a good price  AND a great profit.
i can immagine having 100 sales a week :smile:
peyote is legal to grow and sell in canada as long as you dont dry out the buttons. or sell them in an ungrowable state for cunsumption.

while im making some cash and frequent trips to the post office, i would have one plant called "mama" that i would let grow and grow, even grafting peyotes on the stalk and leaf buds till shes all peyote with a few leaves, hmmmmmm,

seem overly ambitious?


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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: Mitchnast]
    #1935386 - 09/20/03 01:13 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Pereskiopsis is a true cactus (one of the few species with real leaves). Jade( Crassula) is not a cactus and i'm pretty sure that you can not graft cacti to it.

About the peyote tree. This is very possible, but sending them in the mail would be very difficult as the leaves snap off very, very easily.
Also if you ever forget to water your plant it will lose all it's leaves which will not gegrow.


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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: Una]
    #1935430 - 09/20/03 01:38 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

This is amazing, I'm really going to try this!

Una, do you knwo if you can obtain these Pereskiopsis from dutch garden stores (like Intratuin etc...)?

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Also if you ever forget to water your plant it will lose all it's leaves which will not regrow



so do you have to water those periskiopsis frequently?


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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: stefan]
    #1935635 - 09/20/03 03:13 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I water them every 3 days or so. They should be watered like a 'normal' plant not like a typical cactus. Also watch out for overfeeding, Pereskiopsis can handle a lot more fertilizer then the Peyote on top. Overfeeding shows in necrotic spots on the skin of the peyote.



Don't get your hopes up on aquiring one in a garden center since they don't carry them...


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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: Una]
    #1935745 - 09/20/03 04:13 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

una your my hero.


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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: Lazerouth]
    #1935815 - 09/20/03 04:42 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Jesus Fuck! damn man i have to start learning more about grafting and such 3 months fuck man thats some serious peyote growth


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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: Una]
    #1936068 - 09/20/03 06:23 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

una do you grow inside or out? you are one of the most amazing growers i have ever seen:)


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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: Una]
    #1936149 - 09/20/03 07:06 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

una, hving lost the leaves, would it die? to be honest i dont care much about the leaves, im sure it speeds up the growth, but once its big enough, parhaps the removal of leaves and growth slowing would speed up alkaloid production, what you think?
another thing might be just to graft it long enough to establish size, then cut about an inch down from the peyote and root it, bingo, a peyote with Pereskiopsis roots and growth parameters.
at that point i reckon you could actually grow it hydroponically, cool beans!


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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: Mitchnast]
    #1937200 - 09/21/03 04:29 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

without leaves it will not die, just grow a lot slower. The leaves with their large assimilation surface are responsible for the superfast growth.

Concerning alkaloid production i really don't know (i'm not really interested in this). Opinions on the subject are very far apart.

Here's a really good thread http://forums.spiritplants.com/index.php...779b810c474458c on SPiritplants in which MS Smith (cactus specialitst extra ordinaire) says (i quote):

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...... the answer is quite clearly no, there is no change in the chemical structure of one plant due to the grafting of it to another plant. It would appear that all a base plant does is increase the availability of water to the scion, allowing the scion to grow at a faster pace. The production of chemicals within a plant occurs within its own cellular material, something that is not transferred from one plant to the other......





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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: Una]
    #1937201 - 09/21/03 04:30 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I wonder if the peyote breakes/falls off the Periskiopses if it gets too big because the stem of the periskiopses isn't that thick...

Mitchnast, good Idea! But I don't know how soon a Periskiopses roots again?

Not in garden centers, hmm... well, I'll find myself an other way to obtain them :cool:


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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: stefan]
    #1937206 - 09/21/03 04:36 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

look what i found...it's a cactus on a stick :laugh: LOL (not my pic btw)

Seriously the pereskiopsis would need some kind of support with the big scion on top.

Stefan if you shoot me a PM i think i can help you out :smile:

   


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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: Una]
    #1937902 - 09/21/03 01:56 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

OK this is the BEST thread I have EVER SEEN HERE !!!!!!!!


3 months !!!!, now what this cactus newbie wants to know is this...
(since he has pedro and peyote on the way...I live in canada its fully legit!)

........Peyote grafted to pedro grows faster, instead of 14 years of solo peyote grwoth , in 1 year you see the same results!!, (I am sweating right now thinking about what I am going to say next)

is that how big the peyote gets in one year on a pedro???, from what I saw in pics(I am a cactus newbie remember) I thought that the graft UNA did got FATER IN 3 MONTHS then a PEYOTE ON A PEDRO IN 1 YEAR!?!?!?!??!?!?!??????


WOW.......I am SO impressed !

this makes me think of growing a bunch inside and haveing a little peyote grafts with Pereskiopsis in a closet or something

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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: mile69]
    #1938186 - 09/21/03 04:09 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

one other thing


what one is it I see there is more than one thing that can come after
Pereskiopsis in aplant name


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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1940772 - 09/22/03 02:13 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I've just seen a thread in which Una posted pics of his in vitro cactus tissue cultures, and seeing this thread too, I think I have more respect for Una than anyone else in the world right now!
That is some truly amazing stuff. I planted some peyote seeds back in spring (some T. Peruvianus and T. Pachanoi too), they're looking pretty healthy, I think I might try to get hold of some Pereskiopsis (but which sp.?) and try this out!! I was originally going to graft onto a nice Peruvianus that I have, but I was reluctant to do so since it's such a nice specimen...


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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: mile69]
    #1940790 - 09/22/03 02:18 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

looks like your loph directly sprouted from each aureole!

I think the pereskiopsis under the stick-plant was completely covered with soil or gravel :laugh:


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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: Agarico]
    #1947591 - 09/24/03 12:08 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Just have to try this..i got 20 Lopho-seedlings sprouting right now..
Very nice work indeed Una.
Una: Which Pereskiopsis are suitible/most suitible as rootstocks?
Or at least which are you using?

Pereskiopsis aquosa
Pereskiopsis blakeana
Pereskiopsis diguetii
Pereskiopsis gatesii
Pereskiopsis kellermanii
Pereskiopsis porteri
Pereskiopsis rotundifolia
Pereskiopsis scandens

Thats what i found this far..
One thing for you guys looking for Pereskiopsis is that some call em Opuntia..

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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: stonErollEr1]
    #1947623 - 09/24/03 12:22 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

"One thing for you guys looking for Pereskiopsis is that some call em Opuntia.."

THANK YOU for that info!!! I spent hours looking for Pereskiopsis sp. on the websites of every european cactus nursery I could find, and was having no luck!
NOW I should be able to find some and get grafting :laugh::D:D.



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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: Openminded]
    #1947685 - 09/24/03 12:38 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.lapshin.org/cultivar/N12/articl-e.htm

It seems that grafting onto something else is just a waste of time if size and speedy growth is what you?re after..
The link above even suggest vertical grafting..

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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: stonErollEr1]
    #1948034 - 09/24/03 02:07 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

pretty cool, with that vertical grafting you could really make a 'peyote tree' :cool:
it seems more difficult though...


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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: stefan]
    #1948194 - 09/24/03 03:07 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Well, yep a "wee" bit harder.. :smile:
But if one has a lot of seedligs it would be pretty cool to try.

Una: Do you know which Pereskiopsis you did use or would anyone be OK..?

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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: stonErollEr1]
    #1949525 - 09/24/03 09:27 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

you can get them at sobeys, they usually have a cerus peruvians crest mutation grafted on top and no leaves, but then if you made a cutting and it pupped i recon youed get some leaves


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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: Mitchnast]
    #1950316 - 09/25/03 03:48 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not even really sure which Pereskiopsis species i have :s I'm pretty sure all of them work since i haven;t read any specific recommendations.

Opuntia is NOT Pereskiopsis, the species really don;t look alike.

Vertical grafting (as posted by Stefan) is very hard. The tiny scions dry up very quickly, but you could do it in batches. Say, 3 in the morning, 3 in the evening, 3 the next mornings while keeping the graft in a high humifity environment.

The next time i do some grafts i might take some pics :laugh:


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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: Una]
    #1950390 - 09/25/03 05:09 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

The most famous Opuntia is that stupid 'Bunny Ears' cactus with those tiny irritating spines. Although I have seen Opuntia which do resemble the Pereskiopsis in the pics.


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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: Jackal]
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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: Una]
    #1950498 - 09/25/03 07:38 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I didnt say that opuntia was the same thing as Pereskiopsis, what i meant was that some vendors do mix them up..They are two distinctivley diffrent speices.

re: vertical grafting: It seems a bit harder, but still achiveble if one put ones mind to it..
I just found the link and thougth it might be of interest for this forum.

This grafted on a opuntia..



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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: stonErollEr1]
    #1950541 - 09/25/03 08:25 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

This link has alot of info on grafting cacti..

http://www.sphosting.com/cactus/

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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: stonErollEr1]
    #1950562 - 09/25/03 08:56 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.lapshin.org/cultivar/N12/articl4e.htm

Here is a really detailed russian site dealing with grafting onto Pereskiopsis..[in English..]



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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: stonErollEr1]
    #1950589 - 09/25/03 09:18 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

re: vertical grafting: It seems a bit harder, but still achiveble if one put ones mind to it..
I just found the link and thougth it might be of interest for this forum.





I'm not dissing your link, i'm pointing out that it is advanced stuff. Better first try to graft one seedling on top before trying to make a christmas tree like that.

It is possible though, you just need to work fast :smile:



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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: Una]
    #1950597 - 09/25/03 09:23 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

hehe..i didnt even thought of trying it..just wanted to mention the possibility.

And yes, i?m sure it requiers some skills. :smile:

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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: stonErollEr1]
    #1950599 - 09/25/03 09:23 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Very useful links Una and stonErollEr1, cheers.
Methinks I might give Opuntia Compressa grafting a go, since I already have one of them and it seems to be suggested as a grafting stock in many places... if I do I'll take some pics to share with you.


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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: Openminded]
    #1950621 - 09/25/03 09:38 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

You better... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: stonErollEr1]
    #1951238 - 09/25/03 02:42 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

"Xmas Tree" grafting or grafting to the sides of a shoot are not as difficult as people make it out to seem. The art is ALL, and I mean ALL in the way you cut your scion and the receiving end of the root stock. Also for securing these grafts I reccomend using wax.

I may add a whole big section to the faq about grafting plants and cacti once i get some time.


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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: mile69]
    #2292178 - 02/01/04 06:12 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

well, are there any stores on the net that sell this grafting plant?


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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: Una]
    #2297741 - 02/03/04 03:50 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

wow


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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: Una]
    #2297779 - 02/03/04 03:59 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Thats looks amazing, great job Una!


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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: Effed]
    #4169655 - 05/13/05 04:00 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

When you graft to a pereskiopsis, can you plant the top part that you remove to start a new plant?


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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #4169665 - 05/13/05 04:08 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

yes, pereskiopsis grows like a weed.


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Re: Peyote grafted on Pereskiopsis update. [Re: @cro]
    #4172279 - 05/13/05 07:57 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Damn that crap is nuts. From what I read about san pedro, the winter crop is stronger because it is starved of water, thus creating more mescaline. So I guess you could grow those suckers till they got huge, the root them in soil, let them run for a winter of no watering or two, and boom. I think you would have some ill peyots.


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